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    Sanity Zone 11-16-2016 -- 42

    As for your comment about people who focus on being rich usually not being so. That's only true if you're talking about someone who's just dreaming of being rich. Some people have a plan. Which brings me back to my confusion of why you think it's better to dream than to have a plan. I think the reality is that it takes both. You gotta have the ambition, the drive, and then you have to know what you're doing as much as why. One is nothing without the other.

    What hurts some people (again, this is not necessarily about the Saints) is that when they have reached a certain point, they continue to focus on the riches, and they lose interest in the hard work and dedication it took to get there. The pride comes before the fall. That is a true statement that comes to fruition in many different ways.
    Posted 11-21-2015 at 07:51 AM by burningmetal burningmetal is offline
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    Sanity Zone 11-16-2016 -- 42

    Man, I think you are trying to be entirely too philosophical with this one. You are going the long way of essentially answering your own question. And the answer is what I said above. A person, organization or business that appears to have a lack of direction (or not knowing the why, as you like to put it) have just exactly that... A lack of direction.

    People are not pulling from the same end of the rope. It's coaches with different visions, scouting and personnel departments with differing philosophies from what the head coach is looking for. Things of that nature. It isn't that they don't know why, in my opinion. It's that they can't agree. That doesn't necessarily mean they don't have the same goal. They have different ideas of getting there, and you either find a way to make it fit together, or you have to bring in somebody else.

    Not every success comes from people being in perfect harmony. A collection of ideas can be a good thing, as long as they are good ideas, and there are no ego's blocking the way. In the case of the Saints, I think it's simply that they can't get it right. Not in recent years, anyway.

    When I gave my reply above, I was trying to sift through what you seem to be implying, and I gave a response targeted specifically at people who just aren't into it, to put it simply. People who are just there to collect a paycheck.

    But while I can point to a few members of the organization who seem like they may be doing that, I don't think it's a lack of knowing "why" that is this team's problem. They just haven't been good. Bad scouting, bad playcalling at times, and bad play on the field. I don't think the Saints brass went from winning a Superbowl, to suddenly forgetting why they do this. They've just failed to consistently identify talent, and to adjust to a league that is constantly changing. Some people are good at adapting... Others, not so much.

    By the way, Martin Luther King's dream came from a faith he had. He spoke what he believed, but his words would have meant nothing without the actions of others. It took a lot of people working together to change the society from what it was. Not that it's exactly awesome these days. That's a vastly different thing than having a plan for a football team.

    This is not even close to being the same thing. The dream, in this case, is to even be in that position. And the plan is to do whatever you've done to get there, and hopefully improve upon it. I'm not sure what your definition of a plan is. This is football. You put together a team, you have a system, you run the system. You adjust as necessary.... Again, the latter being something the Saints haven't done well.
    Posted 11-21-2015 at 07:13 AM by burningmetal burningmetal is offline
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    Sanity Zone 11-16-2016 -- 42

    Of course motivation will be different from person to person. The problem is, there are too many conflicting motivations in the Saints' organization, and no unifying vision of why.

    People who focus on being rich, usually aren't. If you can't answer the question "Why am I doing what I'm doing" and be able to have buy-in from others, there will be no success.

    Martin Luther King said, "I have a dream".

    He didn't say, "I have a plan."

    Massive difference. The dream can be personalized. The plan cannot. If you don't buy into the plan, you have chaos. If we resonate with the why, we get the commitment to give what endowment we have to the vision. We can agree to a plan because we can arrive at a common goal.

    If you look at the most persistently successful companies, they all know why they do things, and the people working at them buy in. Apple, Facebook, Boeing, Monsanto, The New England Patriots.

    Everyone wants to be successful, so what.

    They know how. Learn from them.
    Posted 11-20-2015 at 12:19 PM by xan xan is offline
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    Sanity Zone 11-16-2016 -- 42

    That all sounds nice, but the truth is that the motivation of "why" is different for some people. An ethical person can have an almost unlimited amount of reasons for doing things.

    When you're talking about professional athletes, for some (not all) it's all about fame and fortune. Same goes for any kind of celebrity, really. Others genuinely have something to prove, want to win, want to use their money for a lot of good causes, etc.

    If you're trying to figure out why some players or coaches seem like they don't have any direction in what they're doing, it's probably because they don't have any and don't feel like they need it. They're millionaires. That's WHY they do what they do. Everyone starts with some kind of higher purpose to get where they are. But some people, when they get there, feel like they've arrived and their priorities change. Now it's about creating and maintaining a superficial image. It's not that they don't have a motivation, at all. It's that they don't have the RIGHT motivation for the team's sake.
    Posted 11-17-2015 at 12:31 AM by burningmetal burningmetal is offline
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    Sanity Zone 2-16-2015 Mardi Gras Special

    Did you catch dem troews?
    Posted 03-15-2015 at 10:48 PM by SmashMouth SmashMouth is offline
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    C'mon man
    Posted 12-28-2014 at 05:13 PM by captainshawn captainshawn is offline
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    A little easier said than done to totally abandon the <a href="http://www.fromthisseat.com/index.php/blog/18965-why-do-new-orleans-saints-fans-chant-who-dat">Saints</a> over money. They create so much pride in the city of New Orleans and bring a lot to the local economy with hotel and tourism revenue.
    Posted 12-18-2014 at 10:29 PM by jwmann2 jwmann2 is offline
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    Posted 12-10-2014 at 06:05 PM by xan xan is offline
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    i'm not really knowledgeable about this so my remark is only this. what about the browns, the bucs, the rams, the raiders, the jaguars, before this year the cowboys. do they owe their fans and city a refund as well?
    Posted 12-10-2014 at 01:16 PM by teddybarexxx teddybarexxx is offline
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    Sainity Zone 9-30-14 Hail

    I ready for all honourable stuff.

    Posted 10-01-2014 at 10:51 PM by foreverfan foreverfan is offline
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    Sainity Zone 9-30-14 Hail

    I dost protest for foreverfan tis not an honourable man, rather a horny man of such fervor that he is willing to act honorable toward a means to an end so that he gets laid. His motto - whenever ye get honour, stay honour!

    Posted 10-01-2014 at 10:20 PM by Halo Halo is offline
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    Sanity Zone 8-28-2014 Looking down the Barrel

    Why not kill the argument of a "Welfare State" and take the people on welfare and put them to work on infrastructure. There are a lot of people who can do manual labor BUT there are also a lot of people who can do surveying, computer, managerial and even secretary work.

    This is a two fold success. We get the infrastructure improvements we need and we take people off welfare and put them too work.


    Any thoughts? Am I being overly optimistic or stupid?
    Posted 08-31-2014 at 12:18 PM by homerj07 homerj07 is offline
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    Sanity Zone 2-24-2014 The $500 Millon Man

    Make sure you have stops in place.
    Posted 03-11-2014 at 11:47 PM by SmashMouth SmashMouth is offline
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    Sanity Zone 2-1-2014 Is New York Shining a Light on the Obvious?

    This is what happens when you host the Super Bowl and its festivities in separate states and cities.

    Historically they have not been hosted on anyone's home field so there is a small disconnect between the game and that cities fans who love another team. Hosting the game and festivities in separate cities and states creates a further disconnect.

    Goodell tried to do the city of New York a favor... after all that is there the NFl's corporate office is. I will assume there were under the table discussions between himself and the cities chief politicians. I can not for any other reason logically understand why they had it the way they did.
    Posted 02-03-2014 at 08:30 AM by TheOak TheOak is offline
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    Sanity Zone 1- 24 - 2014 Just Plain Mean

    I will go beyond all that has and hasn't been said by Christie or about Christie.
    Christie is the Governor of New Jersey, he was born in Newark, NJ. and presently lives in NJ... Thats a home town guy that should know every nook and cranny, the traffic issue was around 8 miles from where he grew up, 30 miles from where he presently lives.... so he is intimately familiar with the area and its traffic.

    As huge of an ordeal it was lasting three days... Christie never asked WTF is going on? Not once did he try to figure out if there was a way to expedite what ever it was that was going on so that it had minimal impact on emergency vehicles and school buses? Did he just figure it was a convenient mishap?

    Plausible deniability was created and is being maintained so just like CEOs, and all the higher tier politicians surrounding Corporations and Governmental agencies where wrong doing is going on... He either knew and should be personally held accountable or he didn't know and should be removed from office for being inept.

    For the second paragraph in your reply I will leave you with a quote ~ "What does it matter"?
    Posted 01-27-2014 at 02:21 PM by TheOak TheOak is offline
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    Sanity Zone 1- 24 - 2014 Just Plain Mean

    Oak, you're on the money here. In his 2 hour press conference, Christie noted that he "wasn't a micromanager," but the cameras didn't show the snickering of any of the aids or legislators or lobbyists in attendance. His reputation is that of a supreme interventionist. That his chubby hands weren't involved in this is virtually inconceivable, but as a former prosecuter, understandable that he didn't document his involvement so he could have "plausible deny-ability."

    It should be noted that several top people did lose their jobs at the IRS, but not for "Benghazi" (in brackets here because there were 30 other attacks on embassies and other US installations that same day, so picking out one and not the others gives the administration problems - where's the diligence on those?)

    As for Enron, far more people than Skilling were responsible for that mess, but they got away. It was rife with corruption at many levels. Its a shame that it took almost 2 years and $40 million to just get that one guy. Makes you wonder why they go after any white collar guy at all, especially in Texas, where flouting the federal law appears to be a cause for celebration.
    Posted 01-27-2014 at 01:55 PM by xan xan is offline
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    Sanity Zone 1- 24 - 2014 Just Plain Mean

    This entire Nation has failed itself in respect to accountability. Even in the case of Christie, someone took the fall but it was not the top of the food chain. The double standard between the private sector and politicians is bathed in hypocrisy.

    When foul play was found at Enron, Skilling was held accountable. When foul play was found in Christies administration a lamb was sacrificed. The higher up you go in the political food chain the less accountability is held as evident by no one being held accountable for the IRS/Tea Party scandal, Benghazi, etc...
    Posted 01-27-2014 at 09:03 AM by TheOak TheOak is offline

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