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    Why I wanted to trade Jimmy Graham

    I understand your point Stunna and I believe I know what you're thinking. Graham does not block or break tackles like a 260lb man should. Someone should show him some film of Mike Ditka playing TE. Maybe our inept running game is all Graham's fault.
    In regards to your desire to trade Jimmy Graham I could only agree if the other team was offering something like what Minnesota gave Dallas for Herschel Walker or what we gave up to draft Ricky Williams. Before injuring his foot last year, Graham was putting up NFL MVP type numbers and yes I believe he could one day earn that title. First of all I want to clarify my position completely on Graham. I believe he is a WR. And I believe he is the best WR in the NFL. He lined up in a three point stance about a third of the time last year. He also caught more fade routes than anyone else in the league and almost always against the opposing teams best cover corner. I would take Jimmy Graham over Calvin Johnson. Even if I'm wrong here it's not by much. If Graham is not the best WR in the league he's definetely in the top 5. Before the injury he was completely unstoppable. Graham is 6"6 260 lbs and runs a 4.4 40 yd dash(he repeatedly claims this). If you don't believe he's that fast, ask yourself how he led the league in fade route catches. And height will not get you open deep consistently. Colston doesn't catch many fade routes. Also use your eyes. Have you ever seen a linebacker run with him? He is big tall and fast. A matchup nightmare. I would love to see the Saints go all in and plAy him at WR full time. He's way faster than Colston ever was. What can Colston do that Graham can't? Besides BLOCK! Sorry I couldn't resist. But seriously I believe his talents would be best utilized as a WR full time. That is unless he decided to get nasty and was actually able to effectively run block. I actually believed the same thing about Reggie Bush when he was a Saint. Reggie is a good tailback but could've been the best WR in the league. Bush ran a 4.3 40 yd dash and like Graham caught a lot of fade routes. Bush had in my opinion the best hands on the team catching 90 passes as a rookie tailback. Bush was a polished route runner and most importantly could break tackles, make people miss and had the rare ability to turn a 5 yd curl into an 80 yd TD catch. One year Reggie was in New Orleans, Pittsburgh won the SuperBowl. The SuperBowl MVP was Santonio Holmes, a comparable athlete to Reggie except smaller weaker slower and less dependable hands. Like Graham, Reggie often lined up as a WR and also like Jimmy was also almost always covered by the opposing defenses best cover corner. I promise you Reggie would've been a better WR than Lance Moore or Devery Henderson. The beauty of Jimmy Graham is that it doesn't matter where you play him because virtually no one can match up with him. I don't think anyone can when he's healthy and when he is from now on I predict Graham will draw constant double teams. Finally if Graham does stAy at TE even as a poor run blocker he still bolsters your run game. Defenses cover Jimmy with corners not LB so most defenses are playing the Saints with a nickle package to try and cover Jimmy. I am still hoping that Jimmy Graham will one day completely shed the image of a basketball player and become a mean and nasty football player. If he could run block and steamroll corners like others his size have before, with his pass catching ability, I believe he could become one of the best football players ever and even potentially threaten some of Jerry Rices receiving records.
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    Posted 07-27-2014 at 04:19 AM by billyt81 billyt81 is offline
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    Why Mark Ingram WILL have Monster year . . ..

    Gonna be a good battle between Robinson and Ingram. Ingram is a step faster in the open field but I think Robinson has a little better balance and may be the back who has the best chance of breaking off some 30+ yd runs which the Saints offense has been missing dearly. I prayed for us to draft Ingram and so far like everyone else I've been disappointed. The problem is that since Ingrams arrival no one else has found much running room either. I think the past receiving core of Colston Moore was so slow that teams crowded the box on us. With Cooks Stills and Graham I think some more holes will open for our backs. Who will exploit them the best is yet to be seen. I'm gonna predict that Robinson leads the team in rushing this year and maybe even gets 1000 yds.
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    Posted 07-26-2014 at 04:38 PM by billyt81 billyt81 is offline
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    Why Mark Ingram WILL have Monster year . . ..

    Khiry will probably have a better season, but you never know. Ingram is certainly capable of doing good things. But remember: The Saints DID NOT extend Ingram's contract. That, to me, sent a clear signal that the Saints don't see Ingram as the face of its running game. Just my humble opinion...
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    Posted 07-04-2014 at 09:07 AM by Stealthman Stealthman is offline
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    LaMichael James anyone?

    not a bad idea but isn't he injury prone. I think they drafted cooks for a replacement for sproles
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    Posted 06-19-2014 at 12:54 PM by st thomas st thomas is offline
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    Why Mark Ingram WILL have Monster year . . ..

    I'm hoping for it! Geaux Ingram!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Posted 06-11-2014 at 05:22 PM by Halo Halo is offline
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    Why I wanted to trade Jimmy Graham

    As I believe I've pointed out in other posts the ship of JG being gone has sailed. There are only three possible outcomes and one is virtually impossible:

    1. Long term contract
    2. JG plays under the 1 year tender.
    3. JG holds out the entire season (this is the virtually impossibility)

    It's just not possible to separate a player from the context they play in. Stating that JG would be a lesser player on another team is a moot point. The point is over the last 3 years JG has had close to historic production for a TE in the system he's in. To let that production get away for nothing would be foolish on the team's part.

    As for the money, we all know that all NFL contracts are barely worth the paper they are written on. The only money that counts is the guaranteed money. Everything else is subject to restructure or if necessary releasing the player on the back end of the contract. As you can see from the last 4-5 QB contracts, that Brees' $60 million guaranteed is almost a bargain. And he will restructure when the times comes and if he wants to continue playing.

    And Dave, it's not possible to trade a player that you do not have under contract. As of this moment JG is a free agent. The Saints only rights to him are under the franchise tender. They have no rights to trade.

    And once again I just have to wonder about everyone's frustration about someone trying to get paid a fair wage to do their job. Despite the fact that the discussion is about 10s of millions of dollars, I'd bet a dime to a dollar that we would all operate under the same principles if we were in a similar situation.

    1. If you were doing a job for a training wage and you were doing the job better than anyone has ever done it, when it was time to sign for the contract, would you not want to get as much as you could?

    2. If you had an opportunity to reclassify your job position and get a 20% raise, would you not put in the paperwork?

    3. If other companies were offering you top dollar for your services, would you not go back to the company you were working for and ask for a raise that's close the offers you are getting from others?

    4. Would you expect your family and friends to get mad with you because you are trying to get paid?

    5. Finally if the offer wasn't as good as the outside offers would you stay with your current company and give them "the hometown discount" out of loyalty?

    I know we are all passionate about the Saints. But this is business and making a living for the players, staff, and organizations. I fully expect that top rated players are going ask for, and are often given, close to fair market value for their services. To expect otherwise is nonsensical.

    I still shake my head at fans that thought that we needed to let Brees go during his last contract negotiation.

    Let me give you some prospective on this. There are currently 8 tight ends in the NFL HOF (with Gonzales and Gates to be locks). With 41 TDs over 4 years Graham has already passed 3 of them on the all time TD list. With 15 more (not an unreasonable goal for 2014), he will have passed everyone except for Shannon Sharpe. He will have more TDs than Jason Witten (currently at 52) in half the time.

    Just think about it a bit...

    SFIAH
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    Posted 06-09-2014 at 10:06 AM by SaintFanInATLHELL SaintFanInATLHELL is offline
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    Why I wanted to trade Jimmy Graham

    POSTED THIS ABOUT A WEEK AGO

    I'm so tired of this bull with Graham...U know u r not a wide receiver...U even was elected to the Pro Bowl as a Tight End... The Saints were willing to make u the highest paid tight end which u rightfully deserved... I don't know if Graham is taking this approach himself or listening to his agent or what but it needs to come to an end... Like I've stated before, we won a ring without him, even though it would be very nice to have him for this run, we've shown we can do it without him... And now with the pieces we've added I feel this team is just as good if not better than the '09 team... So if he can't get his mind right, Mickey should go ahead and pull the trigger for a trade and take a 1st and two 3s ... We wouldn't have the burden of his contract and we can sign a Jermicheal Finley if he is physically fit...


    Talk to a team of our liking, preferably Tennessee or Buffalo (AFC)
    Seattle, New England and San Francisco can offer all they want but no dice...

    JUST MY THOUGHTS
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    Posted 06-08-2014 at 04:09 PM by davethe3 davethe3 is offline
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    Why I wanted to trade Jimmy Graham

    Not quite sure how you would want to let go of a 6'6 270 pound TE who runs like a deer when healthy. The guy was having a MONSTER season until his injury week 6. He tore his Plantar Fascia man, this causes some serious pain. Still, his play only suffered in a few games against teams who had good game plans to take him out of the game. He finished the season with 86 grabs for 1,215 yards with 16 TDs(league leading) with a 14.1 average. Including six 100+ yard games. Some one else has to step up in games against teams that have an effective game plan, Jimmy can't do everything. With Cooks being the threat he is I think the pressure will be taken back off a Graham and he will have another monster season. Not trying to bash you. I just feel like he's worth it.
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    Posted 06-08-2014 at 03:54 PM by whodatson504 whodatson504 is offline
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    Landry over Beckham Jr.

    A long time ago, we had a great receiver with great hands. His name was Eric Martin. If you put the ball anywhere around him he could catch it. Made a lot of incredible catches too, but even though we won a pretty good amount of games, we never got to the playoffs, never won a playoff game and didn't win any Super Bowls with him as great as he was. Part of the reason for this was because we didn't have the speed merchant. The guy that could take the top off of a defense. Eric would make a lot of plays but teams would just clamp down on our offense because we didn't have that player that put fear into a defense. Finally we got that with Devery Henderson and still had the hands receivers in Colston, and Moore and we won a playoff game, we won an NFCCG and we won a Super Bowl.

    What I'm getting at here is that without that WR that can flat out burn you if you sleep on him, teams will slowly during the course of a game clamp down on defense and crowd the line of scrimmage and stop the run as well as clamp down on your slow WR's to the point where they will beat you. Even if your speed WR doesn't have the greatest hands (Devery Henderson as an example) he will still catch a ball every so often. Enough so that teams must respect the fact that you can get behind them and score some points if they crowd the line too much. It's the threat as much as the catch. We had the great D and a pretty good O, but when you don't scare a defense they will eat you alive. Right now we have only 1 speed WR who is basically destined to become a faster Lance Moore slot WR that has #1 WR speed and hands. We have Toon to take Colston's spot as the slower bigger possession WR, and we have the speed WR that can scare defenses in Morgan. Problem is, we don't have any depth. In this draft, we have the opportunity to get both depth at the speed WR spot and the possession WR spot and if it's me, I'm going for the speed guy first as those are the players that will be gone the soonest then with the depth in the draft for WR's, I'll get my hands guy later, but don't count out a guy that's fast just because he has only slightly worse hands than the slower guy.
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    Posted 05-06-2014 at 01:21 PM by Marlboro Man Marlboro Man is offline
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    Landry over Beckham Jr.

    I too love Jarvis Landry. I didn't watch the video but we all know about his phenomenal hands and the clutch catches he's made. Did the video show what a great blocker and special teams player he's been? He thinks he's a linebacker. Very big hands, catches EVERYTHING!, great blocker, breaks tackles, and stronger than he looks. He may not be the best WR in this draft class, but I think he's in the top 5. The tall kid from A&M looks great. I hope we get two great WRs and a stud tailback. I wonder where Jeremy Hill will get picked?
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    Posted 05-05-2014 at 12:37 PM by billyt81 billyt81 is offline
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    Landry over Beckham Jr.

    Knocked it out of the park J-S, IMO (it's baseball season & I feel obligated to use baseball metaphors, ) ... I've been getting buried with all the Sammy Watkins conversation in my neck-of-the-woods & keep thinking, "Why is no one talking about a value-pick if this draft is so heavy with WR's & who would it be?" ... this guy would make a great #2 or #3 behind Calvin & Golden Tate and at the right price too, .
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    Posted 04-25-2014 at 06:18 AM by SloMotion SloMotion is offline
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    Is this Manning's last Hurrah?

    His 2015 Salary is guaranteed if he is on the roster at the end of 2014. They will get another year from him.
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    Posted 04-24-2014 at 02:51 PM by TheOak TheOak is offline
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    Landry over Beckham Jr.

    Ive had the same feeling about Landry even before draft talks started. Dark Horse Son!!!
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    Posted 04-15-2014 at 11:11 PM by B_Dub_Saint B_Dub_Saint is offline
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    Landry over Beckham Jr.

    This didn't change my mind any. Only because I've been saying this about him for the past couple years. He has the best hands I have ever seen, by a wide margin. You can definitely see it in this video.

    Thanks for posting and giving him some respect he deserves.
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    Posted 04-13-2014 at 07:29 PM by burningmetal burningmetal is offline
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    Landry over Beckham Jr.

    For the spot lights it is Beckham hands down. He provides all the media and fans with the glitz and glamor they love. But IMO it is in Landry you will find a longevity and the ultimate love for a player. He will not give you the highlight reels for ESPN like Odell but by all odds will be productive from day one till the end of his playing day,
    Much like Fitzgerald and Boldin in Arizona. Week in and week out Fitz puts up the highlights and Boldin produced quietly. Not until he left the cards did the average fan start to see how much of an impact he had on a game. I see the same here. I always liked Boldin over Fitz so i might be bias in my view here.
    Of all the WR in the draft i can only see Landry as a player that has a chance to duplicate Boldins effect on a game. He is a top my wr board for the saints style of offense. Landry is my player to make those unreal plays time and time again to keep drives alive. That equals more points for the saints and fewer chances for opposing teams to score. not highlight reel material but it does put more "W's" up at the end of a season.
    It all comes down to ATTITUDE.
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    Posted 04-13-2014 at 05:56 AM by hagan714 hagan714 is offline
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    Fun facts: Since legalizing marijuana in Washington and Colorado, the Broncos & Seahawks ...

    ^^^ Ooops, may have been a little hasty with my previous observation ... anyone notice which two teams participated in SuperBowl XLVIII?

    ... sometimes I feel just like Nostradamus on these boards,
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    Posted 03-30-2014 at 05:12 AM by SloMotion SloMotion is offline
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    Saints Free Agency 2014

    Drink heavily. Wash, rinse, repeat!
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    Posted 03-15-2014 at 05:14 PM by Halo Halo is offline
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    Sanity Zone 2-24-2014 The $500 Millon Man

    Make sure you have stops in place.
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    Posted 03-11-2014 at 10:47 PM by SmashMouth SmashMouth is online now
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    TheOak's Avatar

    Sanity Zone 2-1-2014 Is New York Shining a Light on the Obvious?

    This is what happens when you host the Super Bowl and its festivities in separate states and cities.

    Historically they have not been hosted on anyone's home field so there is a small disconnect between the game and that cities fans who love another team. Hosting the game and festivities in separate cities and states creates a further disconnect.

    Goodell tried to do the city of New York a favor... after all that is there the NFl's corporate office is. I will assume there were under the table discussions between himself and the cities chief politicians. I can not for any other reason logically understand why they had it the way they did.
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    Posted 02-03-2014 at 07:30 AM by TheOak TheOak is offline

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