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    TheOak's Avatar

    Sanity Zone 10-2-2013 Shut Down and Loving it.

    There is no anger in me about our government. Your assumptions are incorrect again, much like believing I selected an avatar based on my perception of what my personality is.

    I hardly call those ideas "creative" as they do not address the underlying issue of voter ignorance. The media is controlled by voter ignorance. The media no longer reports the raw unadulterated news, they now feed the masses what the masses want to see and hear. They dramatize it, add a pinch of panic, plate it on which ever direction they want it to go and then serve it.

    The issue is not who controls the government, the issue is "has your government become so powerful that you need to control it"? The framers idea of Government was minimalist at best and never reaching a size where it needed to be controlled. If the Federal Government needed any controlling the Constitution does that. It is not the Government that decides on the Constitution, it is the Constitution that grants the Government its power.

    Here is the wash, unless you are deluded beyond reason you recognize that eventually there will always be a swing of ownership. The people grow restless and bored with the same government after a while. The more the Government, the more the swing. The ignorance of the people is the direct cause of the power swings. The more the people need, the more they will cast a vote for whom ever promises to fulfill that that need... But these are politicians and not leaders. They will gladly throw out empty promises that they know they will be in office before they will ever have to be held accountable for.

    Federal Government size does not equate to power, that is done through corruption. Government size only equates to inefficiency, and cost.

    You keep reverting to a lack of huge federal government equating to feuding clans... That is the media story you bet down hard on... In the absence of a huge bloated federal government then you have State Government and that is all that is needed. This is protected by the 10th Amendment, it is why Obamacare is a federal tax and nothing else. If it is not a Federal Tax then it is imposing on the States Rights to opt out.

    I do not "roll", and my boots do not have straps. You think in cliche's and that is preventing you from seeing the reality. The only person calling for or mentioning anarchy is yourself.

    The only reason California is happy is because they see their way of life being imposed on the rest of the nation... It will swing again one day and when California has the way of life of another state that is less liberal imposed on them they will be calling for less Government.

    So, again... I am not angry. I am amused. Amused by all the people chasing rainbows.
    Posted 10-05-2013 at 06:39 AM by TheOak TheOak is offline
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    Being held hostage again.

    Thanks for the post Homer -- totally agree.
    Posted 10-05-2013 at 02:02 AM by WHODATINCA WHODATINCA is offline
  3. Old Comment
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    Being held hostage again.

    Oak, are you actually watching the news?!? Are you hearing what the Republicans are saying? The Republicans are holding the country hostage because of the ACA ( Obama Care ).

    Wow. Facts needed here too.
    Posted 10-05-2013 at 02:00 AM by WHODATINCA WHODATINCA is offline
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    Sanity Zone 10-2-2013 Shut Down and Loving it.

    >Who might your governmental appointed custodian be?

    With a government, there is a government ... no custodian necessary.

    Look, you are pissed because you have lost control of your government. I get it. The answer to your loss of control is not killing off the government. At least, I don't think so, but maybe you are an anarchist. But, if you aren't then, the answer I recommend to you is to regain control. Otherwise, without a governing body, you will need a fifedom.

    But, if you believe in government, as long, as it is with the consent of the governed, the question is -- how will you regain control? Will it be anarchy? Revolution? Getting corporate money out of politics? Doing away with the Electoral College? Dismantling the Federal Reserve? There are lots of creative ideas.

    And, I like the libertarian ideals of "pull yourself up by your boot straps" and together "let's roll..." mindset. I think it is needed especially now in wresting OUR government back from the people and organizations who control it. And, so, we come full circle.

    I want to ask you, Oak -- has the media brainwashed you so much that you think you can't see the truth? Because, I don't think the media has brainwashed me so I can't see the truth, either. And, on certain points we may disagree. But, I hope we agree that we prefer a government, of the people, by the people, for the people. And, I want to direct your attention to the OZ you mention. Who owns the media?
    Posted 10-04-2013 at 04:45 PM by WHODATINCA WHODATINCA is offline
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    Sanity Zone 10-2-2013 Shut Down and Loving it.

    BTW The "Law" also states that Congress will set a budget each year and stay under the Debt Ceiling.

    You live by the sword, you die by the sword.
    Posted 10-04-2013 at 04:15 PM by TheOak TheOak is offline
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    Sanity Zone 10-2-2013 Shut Down and Loving it.

    I see your point now. In the absence of complete control all that is left is anarchy. Who might your governmental appointed custodian be? Surely you can't be left to monitor your own vices can you? Without supervision and direction you would be Genghis Khan reincarnate before kickoff on Sunday.

    You however sir come from a land where black is evil and dangerous unless it is in human form and then it is repressed.

    I surely do know the answer, it's called the media. Release a poll that shows voters respond positively to the color green more than any other and count the number of green ties on politicians the following week.

    Your but a victim of the same media. You and I have different points of view; you see a way to gain a heart, a golden road....

    I see the Oz behind the curtain.... And his name is not Barack Obama. Obama is the Oz you are meant to see.
    Posted 10-04-2013 at 04:10 PM by TheOak TheOak is offline
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    Sanity Zone 10-2-2013 Shut Down and Loving it.

    >The government enslaves now.

    This is the underlying issue. This is how you see it. But, dig deeper.

    Our constitution envisioned a government "BY THE PEOPLE". So, if this is true, and the people are enslaved, then it is ourselves who enslave us. The question really is who controls the government? Is it the people?

    I think I know the answer. Do you?

    And, it really doesn't matter what the POTUS SAYS about the law. What matters is what the laws says about the law. Which, in fact, is the whole point here. We have some laws. And, our representatives are sworn to uphold the laws, for better or worse, until they are legally challenged and legally changed.

    Otherwise, we really don't need a government -- we can just return to warring fiefdoms. Which I happen to think is the agenda of the Libertarian anarchists. Anything I want goes, as long as I have a gun.

    BTW, I agree with you -- hippies were not liberals.
    Posted 10-04-2013 at 03:18 PM by WHODATINCA WHODATINCA is offline
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    Sanity Zone 10-2-2013 Shut Down and Loving it.

    Precisely the myopic response I expected. Dig deeper and you will see that your ignorance of and disdain for Republicans is very much akin to the racism you made note of. Slavery is still here, it has just taken on a different face. The government enslaves now. As far as for your view of Pelosi, if you had the capacity to see her for what she is you would surely recognize that hippies didn't end Vietnam. However if you want to try to navigate that waterway the hippies were also against Government telling them what to do and how to live.... Sounds more like conservatism than liberalism.

    Ever listen to the song "Signs" by Five Man Electrical Band? That is our present administration telling everyone how to live and what they can't do.

    SCOTUS ruled Obamacare is a tax, that is a huge contrast to what the POTUS says it is and is not.

    PS I am neither Republican nor do I live in a world where an avatar had a specific meaning. You are novel but not quite humorous.
    Posted 10-04-2013 at 02:25 PM by TheOak TheOak is offline
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    Sanity Zone 10-2-2013 Shut Down and Loving it.

    So....you think that the peace movement ( largely lead by the young ) of the 60s had no effect on the course of the Vietnam War? And, you think the anger and passion, of not just the youth, but of all men and women of conscience had no effect on civil rights in the 60s? Without anger, passion and a stirring of conscience for abolition, I'm pretty sure slavery would still be with us.

    And, btw, Nanci Pelosi isn't young. Nor do I see her as emotional or illogical. Who I do find illogical is the Republican Party right now.

    Let's see ....they don't like a law that was legitimately passed by both houses AND ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court ( incidentally, BY the most right-wing court we have seen in generations ) and the Republican Tea Party extremists seem to want to shutdown our government over it. That, Mr. Oak, is not just illogical, it is anarchistic.

    And, the fact that these jerks continue to pay themselves, for a job they are not doing, show them to be exactly as you describe: emotional vessels void of logic --- but full of a callous disregard for the laws they are sworn to uphold.

    And, if that scowl your icon wears is indicative of your demeanor, then I recommend you turn some of that anger, and passionate disdain toward the men and women who obviously sit your side of the aisle.

    Go ahead, make my day.
    Posted 10-04-2013 at 01:52 PM by WHODATINCA WHODATINCA is offline
  10. Old Comment
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    The Road Gets Tougher

    Speed is relative and with everyone playing on the same surface they will all be slower. Sproles is still quicker than they are.

    Graham was the huge focus against Miami.

    Sproles probably more than anyone else on the team can handle grass... That's what he played on for 5 years in San Diego.

    While you may have just started seeing or saying it this week.... Everything you have said, has been said before and we are still 4-0.
    Posted 10-04-2013 at 06:46 AM by TheOak TheOak is offline
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    The Road Gets Tougher

    In terms of TheOak's comment:

    I just want to say that while others may have said that running the ball was the secret to victory, I don't think I've actually said that for the first few weeks. I am saying it this week, though. Graham will draw a huge focus from the defense and, yes, I believe the natural grass will slow Sproles down a bit.

    The good news is Chicago is where Pierre Thomas had his breakout game years ago. He went over 100-yards rushing as well as over 100-yards receiving in that one game.

    I very well could be wrong. The schedule is just getting tougher. I do believe Pierre Thomas is the x-factor this weekend, though. I stand by that.

    Edit: Also, the Bears have forced 14 turnovers in the first 4 weeks, 8 of those were fumbles. Thomas rarely fumbles the football.
    Posted 10-04-2013 at 05:18 AM by BoudinSandwich BoudinSandwich is offline
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    Sanity Zone 10-2-2013 Shut Down and Loving it.

    The anger, passion, and ignorance of youth has never corrected the course of a ship.

    Watch Pelosi talk, she is nothing but anger and passion. An emotional vessel void of logic.
    Posted 10-04-2013 at 05:11 AM by TheOak TheOak is offline
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    Sanity Zone 10-2-2013 Shut Down and Loving it.

    You sound like a Nero. As bad as things have been -- I assume this last is fuel for yet more apathy. But, I will agree it is probably only the anger and passion of youth that can save us now.
    Posted 10-04-2013 at 04:59 AM by WHODATINCA WHODATINCA is offline
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    The Road Gets Tougher

    It has been said each week that the "secrete to winning that week is the ground game", each week it fails, each week we win.

    It is simply not the case.

    Sproles speed is reduced.... Huh?

    Doom and Gloom. Purely... All things getting worse... reread your prediction and tell me I am wrong.
    Posted 10-04-2013 at 04:45 AM by TheOak TheOak is offline
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    Sanity Zone 10-2-2013 Shut Down and Loving it.

    It certainly is not a renaissance. I would love it to be so, but I'm not that naive. America's only hope is to avoid total collapse, as I don't think it will ever be near the same.

    My opinion really has nothing to do with this shutdown, though. This has been my thought process for at least the last four years. Our government has proven for a very long time that they are all about themselves, so why should we be surprised by this latest development? I know I'm not.
    Posted 10-03-2013 at 07:37 PM by burningmetal burningmetal is offline
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    Sanity Zone 10-2-2013 Shut Down and Loving it.

    The Republic is dead.

    Long live the Corpocracy.
    Posted 10-03-2013 at 07:36 PM by homerj07 homerj07 is offline
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    Being held hostage again.

    Barrack Obama ~ "I will not negotiate"
    Jay Carney ~ I can say that this administration does not believe that the 14th Amendment gives the president the power to ignore the debt ceiling period.

    There you have the reasons for the shut down. The debt ceiling was ignored when laws were made and the President refuses to negotiate.
    Posted 10-03-2013 at 12:40 PM by TheOak TheOak is offline
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    Sanity Zone 10-2-2013 Shut Down and Loving it.

    As long as popularity and electability are the focus of our officials, public opinion will polarize parties and grind this country to a halt.... After all is said and done, this country is divided between two fundamental personality types and their polar opposite nature is not something that can be swayed easily... Its hard wiring and those that are possibly in the middle have no chance as their numbers are too small.

    If you want to see a Government's or a persons true nature, ban climate surveys (polls) and force them to act on their own volition. Completely remove their ability to demonize their opponents voices and let their decisions and actions stand on their own merit.

    The only reason conservatives and liberals go at each other is because like Pavlov's dog they have been conditioned to do so. Many a great friendship has not survived the knowledge of knowing the others political stance.
    Posted 10-03-2013 at 12:30 PM by TheOak TheOak is offline
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    Being held hostage again.

    Great point!!!

    Shouldn't a qualification for being a member of the US Congress be at least limited intelligence AND understanding of how Congress & the Federal Government work?
    How can you explain PRESBO getting elected twice then? Is he not currently usurping his constitutionally granted powers with his illegal executive directives?

    Once again the dumabasses in the house are threatening to shut down the government over debt ceilings, money, taxes & the Affordable HealthCare Act.
    Not true as a plethora of bills were passed and Harry Reid in the Senate tabled them. It is the Dems that are causing this shutdown...nothing new here!

    I don't care a persons views or standings just support yourself with facts. Yes that dirty word - FACTS. Not what you here from Fox or Rush Limpdick or Michael Moore or MSNBC but facts.
    U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

    The debt ceiling argument shows the absolute ignorance & stupidity of many people in Congress. We have already spent the money. Now you have to pay. It would be like going to a restaurant & ordering a large expensive meal & the deciding at the end you don want to pay.
    They have spent money alright, but not where you think. All we have to show for it is greater debt and spending. Since 2008, the Federal government has practically doubled spending. Have you doubled your spending since also and are able to balance your budget?

    Yes dear god yes I understand the need to reign in spending but this is not the way to do it (neither is cutting food stamps by the way)
    Just go back to 2008 spending levels...they do not have the guts to do it!

    Ohhhh - here's an idea lets pull out of Afghanistan how much would that save?Let's not give subsidies to HUGE companies (oil! farm, etc.) & let's restructure the tax code so that everyone wealthy & not pay a fair share.
    The answer you ask? HR 25 ... its ramifications will solve a multifaceted problem and transfer a balance of power back to the people, as it should be. That and passing the "Liberty Amendments".

    I am soundly middle class. My profession choice insures that. But I am sick & tired of paying more than my fair share when people who make MILLIONS & BILLIONS of dollars are not.
    Then don't vote liberal... these types always take money out of your pockets... they need it for Obama Phones and take your pic other bloated federal program.

    Don't blame the country's problems on the rather minuscule amounts we pay for Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps & unemployment when We allow the corporations to bilk the country for 10 times as much.
    Not a minuscule amount as the Captain Obvious example clusterfuvk Obamacare is. And yes... every penny counts

    Time for the members of Congress who have any intelligence & balls to stand up & do what is right for the country NOT what is right for the to get reelected.
    That is the first you said that makes common sense. But you must sprinkle in the American People in there, for it is we, and only we, that can make these changes. BTW... that is what Ted Cruz is attempting to do.

    I am glad you care, btw, Homer!
    Posted 10-02-2013 at 12:51 PM by SmashMouth SmashMouth is online now
    Updated 10-02-2013 at 12:55 PM by SmashMouth

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