Worse than death?? PSU
 

Penn State sanctions were hastily reached by NCAA's Mark Emmert and are anybody's guess - Yahoo! Sports

NCAA really drilled them. I don't really understand the vacated wins, but think the rest is warranted.


edit- sorry, that story doesn't list the detah penalty punishments--looking now

Penn State: Which is worse - NCAA Sanctions or take the suspension
 

If you were Penn State's athletic program would you rather the NCAA sanctions handed down this morning or a 1 to 2 year football death penalty of the football program instead.

The sanctions handed down by the NCAA were as follows:

• Four year postseason ban
• 10 initial scholarship losses and 20 per year for four years
• $60 million fine
• All wins from 1998-2011 vacated
• Five year probationary period

298 wins, Joe Paterno wins record.

I voted BIG TIME that the NCAA sanctions were worse than a brief death penalty because the sanctions impacts will be felt for years to come, the death penalty would have restarted the program in 2 years. Nuff said.

Not anymore according to the sanctions. I think the NCAA wants Joe Pa out the record books.

Yeah he was at 400 something before, Halo. That's exactly what they were trying to do there.

Both penalties methods would be harsh in their own way. Perhaps this method is better. I like that Penn State has to pay a fine $60 million now to help out other victims of child abuse. And the Sandusky victims will still have their day in court to sue Penn State for their negligence.

Jaw dropping.

For Penn State fans
 

me too-- I wonder if that was an option for PSU.

The death penalty is like chapter 11 bankruptcy- gives you a couple of year to get your sh** together. This is much worse. Don't forget to factor in $$$ lost in merch sales.

side note- great opportunity for some stud players to cherry-pick a new school where they have a chance to win a Nat. Championship immediately. The phones at LSU, Bama, USC & Oklahoma are ringing off the hook.

Really dig that they vacated the wins for all the years PSU admins knew about the abuse.

This move is very Goodell-ish.

Should've received Death Penalty for Ten Years...Stricken from Record Books...Silence or diding a crime of that type is inexcusable...

... the wins were vacated so they could remove Paterno as the all-time 'winningest' NCAA coach of record,eh?

This was a tough vote and I voted 'death penalty' because I just wanted to see a clean break with this thing ... get rid of the program & the people in it, take down the statue & put it in the corner of a warehouse somewhere with a sheet over it, come back a few years later with new-style uniforms and start anew ... they'd have lost plenty of money, scholarships, bowl appearances, et.. that way too ...

... not that I disagree with what the NCAA handed down, it's a severe penalty that will impact PSU for years and was really creative in that, other then allowing them to field a team, was basically a 'death' penalty (minus the 'death' part), :lol: ... I do have to hand it to them for thinking about the players & the rest of PSU that wasn't directly involved and how they would be negatively impacted by a total loss of the football program.

This is a sad chapter in Penn State history ... my uncle went there & played for JoePa', so did a neighbor's kid ... <sigh>.

Actually to be fair, it's kind of NOT like Goodell at all...this penalty is pretty thorough and well thought-through, with mountains of ironclad court-worthy evidence to back it up, and it considers all aspects of the situation, including not harming the individual players and seeking to positively change the institutional culture at Penn State where this despicable Sandusky stuff occurred. They're not just looking to wantonly throw the hammer down hard, to make an example and to prove his authority, in the hopes that "this will never happen again" which is basically what Goodell did with Bountygate.

Whereas in contrast to this, Goodell's punishments were kind of wild and arbitrary, and seemed to be aimed at targeting specific people that he had previous beefs with (Hargrove, Vilma, Smith, Payton, Loomis, Fujita) while completely ignoring others of the presumed guilty. See also: the NCAA waited until the report was done, then released THE ENTIRE REPORT publicly, then evaluated and formed their opinions on the sanctions and crafted the punishments. Goodell did quite the opposite -- arrive at his bounty conclusion based on heresay, conduct the investigation that supports his conclusion, then handed down punishments, then NOT release the evidence to back it up.

The part that was the most Goodell-ish I thought was vacating the wins. That's just for spite, to get Paterno's name out of the record books. Not that I disapprove of it.

I only meant "Goodell-ish" in how steep the punishment is but I agree with what you said regarding the process. Not only have they gone through the legal process once, there's going to be a civil suit on top of what has been handed out via the NCAA. I have the utmost compassion for the families that were involved and they will be well compensated. But this 3 stage punishment will cripple the university for a very long time... not just the athletic department. It'll affect all aspects of that university including all the personnel and students not involved.

Exactly! What young boy will want to wear these now??

http://www.sportsfancreations.com/im...nstate400a.jpg
:eek:

:)

I don't think it will affect the non-football students at the university and their education. Penn State is a public university and I'm sure the tuition is sufficient to keep the academics afloat. The other athletic programs might take a bit of a budget hit but they should still be okay because they don't lose scholarships and players don't get to transfer away.

Well, I'm glad the players are being taken care of. Other than that; I don't have a problem with what they did to PSU football. If this happened at LSU, I would expect the same punishment. I love; LOVE, LSU. However, if this type of thing were to have occured there, I would strongly think about removing myself from the University.

I think PSU got what it was owed.

Goodell today is probably saying "Sheeeooot. Vacating wins? Why didn't I think of that?"

I agree with all but the vacating the wins, even making the penalty more harse would be OK. Punish the school and the football program as a whole, but removing Joe-Pa from his win record seems harse against one individual. Could remove all wins from the post-season because that punishes the program more as a whole.

As a matter of perspective (from Wikipedia):

"During the 2000 season, an assistant football coach in Memphis, Tennessee claimed that an Alabama booster had paid him $50,000 to encourage one of his players to sign with the Crimson Tide. Following the NCAA investigation, Alabama received a probation from 2002 to 2006, a two-year post-season ban (2002 and 2003), and the loss of 21 scholarships over 3 years. A secret witness was later revealed to be Tennessee coach Phillip Fulmer.

On June 11, 2009, Alabama was sanctioned for textbook-related infractions involving 16 of 19 sports, including football. They were forced to vacate 21 wins from the 2005, 2006, and 2007 seasons and were put on three years probation, ending in June 2012. Alabama's appeal of the ruling was unsuccessful."

From Me:

Penn State didn't get it too bad for covering up YEARS of CHILD MOLESTING! Alabama got it nearly as bad for allegedly paying ONE player & for a couple of knuckleheads scamming textbooks.

Sean Bean, the founder of memes!

I bet this would have never happened in Greece.