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pherein 12-24-2010 09:17 PM

UFOs you learn something everyday
 
Provides a much more rational and/or archeological reason for UFO's. Some of it is wacky, like the continuation of the 4th reich, but the Bell project has been proven. So, the Nazis did have working device. Who got it I guess we will never know.




https://sites.google.com/site/nazibe...-the-nazi-bell


Some interesting some goofy things in this thread
Nazi Bell (Die Glocke) (Fly Trap) - ImmInst.org Forums

pherein 12-24-2010 10:25 PM

I know amazing how far germany was, and interesting where it all went, explains ufo in a rational sense. I wonder who got the Bell Technology? I mean it didn't just disappear.

pherein 12-24-2010 10:55 PM

I know its scary, imagine the same technology 65 years later, damn. I always told my wife, "common you think ufo's have to have lights?" or to come close to an object like a plane to scan it. If it was a alien craft they could do this all from orbit, and why do they need lights after navigating light years, makes no sense. If they were alien we would never see them, these are earth machines.
Where they come from, we have no idea. I mean a race could easily be 5000 years beyond us below the ocean or on europa, we have no idea, but its not alien to our solar system. Black ops or nazis is even more plausible than aliens.

If its is alien to our solar system they are not very smart to need landing lights, or tell us to create a pyramid of stone instead of plastic and what would be common steel to them.

foreverfan 12-25-2010 07:35 PM

Remember this... if one UFO sighting is real, it changes everything as we know it.
If one crop circle is not man made, it changes everything.

Personally I think there is no way the Egyptians built the Great Pyramid.

http://www.picciafuochi.com/crop-circles.jpg

pherein 12-26-2010 10:38 AM

I think people have vivid imaginations. In the early centuries ships disappeared commonly because of huge sea monsters that swallowed them whole. History is plastered with the mythical beast and gods that roamed the earth and created these disasters. They had no understand of their environment, much like we have no understanding of the environment beyond earth. Im not surprised human imaginations have run wild to explain the unexplained. We have always done that in history.

I can say without any doubt that intelligent life and civilizations are probably everywhere in the universe, and quite possibly every species on earth has evolved , too or beyond our level on some planet. Yes that means intelligent hamsters :)
Reason I say that is the probability of life reaching this far out to the spiral arm on the universe makes no sense , unless it is abundant and can survive conditions we can not even fathom yet. If the big bang did occur, then the heat,shock,and pressure of it should have killed all life during the blast.


With that in mind, systems closer to the core of the universe have been evolving millions of years before ours ever existed. It only took the human race 100,000 years to evolve to this state.

But have they ever visited earth? maybe but why would they?

1. why would they ever contact us. Even a civilization 5000 years older than ours would consider us to be silly children with a brutal and antiquated political and social engine. We would find the same when trying to communicate with our ancestors around 3000 B.C. We wouldnt be able to communicate, and they would never be smart enough to get what we were saying anyway. evolution dosnt just stop.

2. We can scan most of the planet from orbit, have microscopic machines, even at our limited technology. Im sure a civilization that has conquered bending space ( its the only way to get here in less than a couple hundred light years ) could easily observe us from outside our sol system, even listen to our conversation. They would have cloaking,stealth, and spying technology we could not even fathom yet. They would never need to land, fly close to a plane, roll up the window to check us out. Makes no sense. They would not need landing lights and would not show up on any radar. Heck we have planes that can do that now, why wouldn't they?

3. Why would they make pyramids or any monument? IF the pyramids where connected with aliens, there would not have been the failed pyramids that preceded the ones only shown today.
There are a number of pyramids in the desert that crumbled because they were built wrong. Why would aliens make these mistakes? Why are these monuments made of stone and not steel, plastic, or have simple architectural concepts, like girders, structural pylons, etc..? No simple wires for electricity or plumbing? Are their alien ships also made of stone, with, no electricity or plumbing?Besides the minoan civilization was way more advanced before egypt, so they probably copied it.

This is what I mean about imagination.
People bring up the end of the world being 2012 because thats when the mayan calendar ends. What those same people never bring up is that the spanish burned and destroyed all of the mayan books,text,and symbols. Thousands of document destryed because it was consider the devils works. Only 3-5 books survived because 3 spanish monks hid them and smuggled them out.
The truth is the calendar didn't end, we burned it, and there no way the monks knew what they had smuggle out because we couldn't decipher the script until the 1950's.

Imagination = end of the world
Reality = we burned the other calendars.

Im not saying that we are not being watched or that life dosnt exist else where. I am saying that we would never see them, and it makes no sense for them to waste time making stone monuments, making designs in crops for us to wake up and ponder, and flying over arizona in plane sight, when they can observe us from orbit. The nazi bell project shows this technology has been around for 65 years, and seems more plausible then the alternative.

well, unless we are being visited by alien teenagers, and earth is part of their prank week before they graduate.lol

SmashMouth 12-26-2010 03:46 PM

Good questions from all ... but more importantly.... was Drew Brees the love-child end-result of a UFO abduction suffered by his recently dearly departed mother? It might explain Brees' deadly accurate passing as evidenced in the video.


pherein 12-26-2010 10:00 PM

I cant dispute your theory SM, its the only thing that makes sense.

CashAndFlash 12-29-2010 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pherein (Post 272904)
I know its scary, imagine the same technology 65 years later, damn. I always told my wife, "common you think ufo's have to have lights?" or to come close to an object like a plane to scan it. If it was a alien craft they could do this all from orbit, and why do they need lights after navigating light years, makes no sense. If they were alien we would never see them, these are earth machines.
Where they come from, we have no idea. I mean a race could easily be 5000 years beyond us below the ocean or on europa, we have no idea, but its not alien to our solar system. Black ops or nazis is even more plausible than aliens.

If its is alien to our solar system they are not very smart to need landing lights, or tell us to create a pyramid of stone instead of plastic and what would be common steel to them.


dude, you ever hear of BMW?

germany has not stopped engineering amazing ****. they've just gotten better.

foreverfan 12-30-2010 07:26 PM

Pherein... have you ever heard of Zecharia Sitchin?


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x42lqb_zecharia-sitchin-sumarian-origins-o_tech

pherein 12-31-2010 06:17 PM

Ive hear of Zecharia Sitchin. I think the problem most have with his theories are they are completely unprovable. Most don't truly understand archeologist. Im a amateur, but we don't use theories like physics do.

IF there is no proof it didn't happen. Most of us are well versed on the sumerian culture, and I think they spell it wrong in the video if im correct.

Archeologist want the holy gail to be true, and want to find a link to what these people make up from pictures, but we don't believe it until its proven. Where are the mechanisms or logic to sustain this type of thinning. And, as we always think, why do people always put themselves down , and not believe they were smart enough to do this?

If the sumerians where so advanced why didnt we find an ipod with the text instead a clay tablet? Because they were probably not.

The other problem with being an Archeologist is you cant dispute the possibility either.
Dinosaurs were on the earth for 158 million years, humans for roughly 100,000. Who to say a civilization did not flurish during that period. Plastic degrades in 50,000 years, there would be nothing left of it. Even if it covered the earth. Food for thought.

foreverfan 12-31-2010 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pherein (Post 275425)
Ive hear of Zecharia Sitchin. I think the problem most have with his theories are they are completely unprovable. Most don't truly understand archeologist. Im a amateur, but we don't use theories like physics do.

IF there is no proof it didn't happen. Most of us are well versed on the sumerian culture, and I think they spell it wrong in the video if im correct.

Archeologist want the holy gail to be true, and want to find a link to what these people make up from pictures, but we don't believe it until its proven. Where are the mechanisms or logic to sustain this type of thinning. And, as we always think, why do people always put themselves down , and not believe they were smart enough to do this?

If the sumerians where so advanced why didnt we find an ipod with the text instead a clay tablet? Because they were probably not.

The other problem with being an Archeologist is you cant dispute the possibility either.
Dinosaurs were on the earth for 158 million years, humans for roughly 100,000. Who to say a civilization did not flurish during that period. Plastic degrades in 50,000 years, there would be nothing left of it. Even if it covered the earth. Food for thought.

In any court of law after a proponderance of the evidence shows that man was visited by others and show/helped in making the megalitic structures we see today.

You want to hear something that will totally blow you mine, listen to David Wilc?ck. He's one of the talking heads on the Ancient Aliens series on the History Channel.

pherein 12-31-2010 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 275433)
In any court of law after a proponderance of the evidence shows that man was visited by others and show/helped in making the megalitic structures we see today.

You want to hear something that will totally blow you mine, listen to David Wilc?ck. He's one of the talking heads on the Ancient Aliens series on the History Channel.

There is zero evidence that we have been visited, unless you consider a talk show or movies proof, which we don't. There is zero evidence that jesus existed also.

We need something better, dont you think? The Bell makes sense, because its been proven and explains why we see them.

As a simple point explain to me why a alien culture would fold space to come here and make a pyramid? I mean why? We wouldn't.

CashAndFlash 01-01-2011 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pherein (Post 275450)
There is zero evidence that we have been visited, unless you consider a talk show or movies proof, which we don't. There is zero evidence that jesus existed also.

We need something better, dont you think? The Bell makes sense, because its been proven and explains why we see them.

As a simple point explain to me why a alien culture would fold space to come here and make a pyramid? I mean why? We wouldn't.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't there been official records found of a man named Jesus being hung in Jerusalem?

I mean, the Roman Empire kept records of executions.

Granted, though, I think the actual Hebrew spelling of Jesus was Yeshua- which I believe translates to Joshua.

pherein 01-01-2011 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CashAndFlash (Post 275520)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't there been official records found of a man named Jesus being hung in Jerusalem?

I mean, the Roman Empire kept records of executions.

Granted, though, I think the actual Hebrew spelling of Jesus was Yeshua- which I believe translates to Joshua.

The Roman Empire did keep incredible records, that is what makes it so odd. There are plenty of recorded accounts of Pontius Pilate, but non of Jesus. And no one can find any record of nazareth either. Its kind of hard to lose a city.

In fact The book of Marc, the 1st stories of Jesus, could not have been written by him, they were written 150-300 years after Jesus death. Most scholars believe none of the books were actually written by the disciples.

Did Jesus exist?


Only two of the canonical Gospels, Matthew and John, are alleged by tradition to have been written by eyewitnesses .

First of all, I should say that none of the four canonical Gospels names its own author, none of them claim to be eywitness accounts or even to have spoken to eyewitness of Jesus. All are written in the third person and none of the authors tell us anything about themselves. All of the traditional ascriptions of authorship come from 2nd century tradition.


Why do people say jesus of nazareth was not real? - Yahoo! Answers

Dont get me wrong, I believe in God, this is just my historical side talking. As soon as someone says " I have faith" they should be excused from the room.
Faith has nothing to do with writing history based on facts, records, and hard archeological work. We would love to find something, we just haven't.


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