Swap picks with Titans

FatiusJeebs · 01-27-2006, 01:23 PM

The way I see it...it always helps to have an "awesome" qb but its not always the answer. Look at Marino...best ever...no rings. Look at Kelly...4 chances...no rings. Look at Peyton....argueably best in the league.....still no rings. Now look at Trent Dilfer....he's got a ring. Why? Because that Ravens team was a complete team. A defense that destroyed everyone and an offense that was good enough to score. All this talk about 2nd pick and leinart.....HUMBUG!! Lets get what we need!!! Hell I think Cutler will get the job done just as good...if we trade down a few spots for him.....we get a good QB and a chance for some extra talent. I'm gonna have to agree....we should swap with Tenn. Lets get more picks and still get talent.

Euphoria · 01-27-2006, 01:45 PM

you don't win with just a QB it takes 10 other on O and 11 more on D

FanNJ · 01-27-2006, 01:48 PM

I think trading Down with the Jets would be a good idea. We don't even have a 3rd round pick this year. If the FO can take the trade down and pick some extra early round picks to bolster the line and the D then do it. One player will not change the course of this team. But a good influx of two or three WILL

jergensl · 01-27-2006, 02:06 PM

i think it would be lunacy for the titans to trade down 1 pick, but hey crazier things have happened in the draft.

even if the titans did offer the saints this scenario, i would have to decline. some of you on here think i am crazy, but i think leinart is leaps and bounds better than any other qb in this draft.

TheDeuce · 01-27-2006, 02:24 PM

you don't win with just a QB it takes 10 other on O and 11 more on D

No sh**. But teams still don't win when their offense (led by example by a guy like Aaron Brooks) leading the NFL in turnovers. We can argue the "defense wins championships" thing all day long, because it has a lot of truth. But most successful teams that win Super Bowls have QBs that don't suck, unless you have the 2000 Ravens defense. (i.e. Tom Brady, Brett Favre, etc. etc.)

Winwin · 01-27-2006, 04:57 PM

No sh**. But teams still don't win when their offense (led by example by a guy like Aaron Brooks) leading the NFL in turnovers. We can argue the "defense wins championships" thing all day long, because it has a lot of truth. But most successful teams that win Super Bowls have QBs that don't suck, unless you have the 2000 Ravens defense. (i.e. Tom Brady, Brett Favre, etc. etc.)

I can prove you wrong with one name, and the bad thing about it is it's a local product. Jake Delhomme is ahead of brooks in the turnover making. he's been among the nfl worsts at turning it over since he got behind center... i.e. carolina wins, ravens win, tampa wins etc with sucky qb's.

jergensl · 01-27-2006, 07:53 PM

winwin,
you are leaving out an important equation in this. delhomme had difficulties during the regular seaons, but when it came to the playoffs he was on the money. dilfer was not asked to win games, just not lose them. i would hardly call brad johnson a sucky qb when he was with tampa bay, but you go ahead.

saintswhodi · 01-28-2006, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

you don't win with just a QB it takes 10 other on O and 11 more on D

This from the guy who has said no less than 10 times Leinart lost the Rose Bowl, oh, but Reggie Bush didn't.

hagan714 · 01-28-2006, 09:05 AM

The Jets are not trading up for a QB. It is a franchise RB or OL, they want. I see them trading down before up then a QB will be in the mix.
The titans are in need of a QB though so trading up is a very good possibility. All depends on the Texans.
If they go Bush Titans will sit pat. If it is young then they will move as will the Jets.
The raiders are the team that i believe are sitting best to shake up the draft. This could be were AB comes in. He will be used to get a higher pick on day one surround the third pick given up.
As much as i hate to say it "Collins and Payton have a working relationship together" so i would not be surprised to see him in black and gold. It does make sense to get a QB who understands your system. That leaves you to groom the rest of team. I still want Quinn next year.

BJSim · 01-28-2006, 09:18 AM

I hope Benson isn't senile enough to forget the troubles that Collins caused (were in) while here the first time and snuffs any deal for him. Collins isn't the answer, and I doubt we'll get a trade for AB, though there might be a couple teams (re: Baltimore, Cleveland, Chicago) that might take a chance so they don't have to fight in a bidding war. But more than a third rounder and we'd be lucky.

01-27-2006, 01:23 PM	#11
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	The way I see it...it always helps to have an "awesome" qb but its not always the answer. Look at Marino...best ever...no rings. Look at Kelly...4 chances...no rings. Look at Peyton....argueably best in the league.....still no rings. Now look at Trent Dilfer....he's got a ring. Why? Because that Ravens team was a complete team. A defense that destroyed everyone and an offense that was good enough to score. All this talk about 2nd pick and leinart.....HUMBUG!! Lets get what we need!!! Hell I think Cutler will get the job done just as good...if we trade down a few spots for him.....we get a good QB and a chance for some extra talent. I'm gonna have to agree....we should swap with Tenn. Lets get more picks and still get talent.
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01-27-2006, 01:48 PM	#13
FanNJ 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 324	I think trading Down with the Jets would be a good idea. We don't even have a 3rd round pick this year. If the FO can take the trade down and pick some extra early round picks to bolster the line and the D then do it. One player will not change the course of this team. But a good influx of two or three WILL
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01-27-2006, 02:24 PM	#15
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	you don't win with just a QB it takes 10 other on O and 11 more on D No sh**. But teams still don't win when their offense (led by example by a guy like Aaron Brooks) leading the NFL in turnovers. We can argue the "defense wins championships" thing all day long, because it has a lot of truth. But most successful teams that win Super Bowls have QBs that don't suck, unless you have the 2000 Ravens defense. (i.e. Tom Brady, Brett Favre, etc. etc.)
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01-27-2006, 04:57 PM	#16
Winwin 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 332	No sh**. But teams still don't win when their offense (led by example by a guy like Aaron Brooks) leading the NFL in turnovers. We can argue the "defense wins championships" thing all day long, because it has a lot of truth. But most successful teams that win Super Bowls have QBs that don't suck, unless you have the 2000 Ravens defense. (i.e. Tom Brady, Brett Favre, etc. etc.) I can prove you wrong with one name, and the bad thing about it is it's a local product. Jake Delhomme is ahead of brooks in the turnover making. he's been among the nfl worsts at turning it over since he got behind center... i.e. carolina wins, ravens win, tampa wins etc with sucky qb's.
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01-28-2006, 12:04 AM	#18
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by Euphoria you don't win with just a QB it takes 10 other on O and 11 more on D This from the guy who has said no less than 10 times Leinart lost the Rose Bowl, oh, but Reggie Bush didn't.

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01-27-2006, 01:45 PM	#12
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jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	i think it would be lunacy for the titans to trade down 1 pick, but hey crazier things have happened in the draft. even if the titans did offer the saints this scenario, i would have to decline. some of you on here think i am crazy, but i think leinart is leaps and bounds better than any other qb in this draft.

01-27-2006, 07:53 PM	#17
jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	winwin, you are leaving out an important equation in this. delhomme had difficulties during the regular seaons, but when it came to the playoffs he was on the money. dilfer was not asked to win games, just not lose them. i would hardly call brad johnson a sucky qb when he was with tampa bay, but you go ahead.

01-28-2006, 09:05 AM	#19
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	The Jets are not trading up for a QB. It is a franchise RB or OL, they want. I see them trading down before up then a QB will be in the mix. The titans are in need of a QB though so trading up is a very good possibility. All depends on the Texans. If they go Bush Titans will sit pat. If it is young then they will move as will the Jets. The raiders are the team that i believe are sitting best to shake up the draft. This could be were AB comes in. He will be used to get a higher pick on day one surround the third pick given up. As much as i hate to say it "Collins and Payton have a working relationship together" so i would not be surprised to see him in black and gold. It does make sense to get a QB who understands your system. That leaves you to groom the rest of team. I still want Quinn next year.

01-28-2006, 09:18 AM	#20
BJSim 500+ posts Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 577	I hope Benson isn't senile enough to forget the troubles that Collins caused (were in) while here the first time and snuffs any deal for him. Collins isn't the answer, and I doubt we'll get a trade for AB, though there might be a couple teams (re: Baltimore, Cleveland, Chicago) that might take a chance so they don't have to fight in a bidding war. But more than a third rounder and we'd be lucky.