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If the Saints trade down I think we should draft D'Brickshaw Ferguson. This kid appears to be a monster at LT and lord knows we need to get rid of Gandy. We could then pick up Brodie Croyle at QB in the second round and with the extra second we would get in the trade down we could get a LB. I would't mind getting Hawk in a trade down either at this point. I used to want Leinart or Young, but now I am more sold on Cutler and Croyle as being better values for the pick.

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My biggest fear is that Leinart will end up being like the next Shuler. Remember him?!?!?!?!? I agree with stock. I say we should get Hawk.

I basically agree with this strategy for several reasons.

1. Our head coach has built a career of getting great results from shaky QBs. If ever we can pass on the can't miss QB prospect it should be this year.

2. A-Mac--he's really the question mark here. Maybe he isn't being allocated to NFL-E because Payton wants to see what he has in the kid prior to the draft. If Payton can make guys like Qunicy Carter, Vinnie and Drew Bledsoe into 3000 yard guys again, he might be able to really do something with an athletic monster like A-Mac?

3. Given our other needs, we can probably afford to wait until round 2 and get a guy like Croyle (or whoever, I haven't really figured out my post first round QB preference). The main point being that there are several quality prospects who should fall into round 2. If A-Mac shows real promise we could even wait more.

4. D'Brickshaw Ferguson. He's had a monster senior bowl week and dominated the best guys coming out of college this year. He should be able to come in and start. I for one would like to have the next Willie Roaf in black and gold. The trouble with this is we can't trade down far, if at all, to get him. Long arms, great feat, a frame to add more muscle, great technique all spell the can't miss prospect of this draft.

5. I like Hawk, but I like nailing down the LT position more given the emphasis in our division with pressuring the QB.

qb
 

I like the idea of trading down. How about dj shockley as opposed to croyle?

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there is nothing to say that hawk or ferguson won't be busts. there are plenty examples of LTs and LBs taken early in the first round that have been busts.

what did croyle do in college? that alabama offense only scored 10 points a game.
cutler had 1 great year. those guys make me very nervous.

i would rather take leinart and see him bust than not take him and watch him become a hall of fame QB on another team.

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DJ shockly is the most over rated QB. He will not be a good NFL qb. He is another AB.

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To me this is one of the best top 10 drafts in recent memory. We are going to be able to draft an impact player whether we stay put or trade down even to spot number 5. We will have a shot at: Matt Leinart, Vince Young, D'Brickshaw Ferguson, AJ Hawk. In my opinion the most can't miss are in this order:
1)Ferguson
2)Hawk
3)Leinart
4)Young
Qb's by the nature of the position are the hardest to evaluate skills to the next level, and I just don't think the Saints are in the position to gamble with this pick at this point.
I think if you can trade down with the Jets at number 4 and get a high second rounder out of it you have to do it. Ferguson would be my pick if I were running the show.

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I think the coaches in place believe in OL and D so trading down with Oakland seems a lock tome and getting Ferguson

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You guys need to remember that Benson is worried about selling tickets. If he trades down for a lineman or linebacker and passes on a QB, his already shaky fan base will accuse the team of selling out. However, If he can market a Hiesman Trophy winning QB for the home games, the fans will come back.

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bullcrap... Leinart isn't going to put fans in seats. Wins will and the way to start doing to is building one of the best lines in the NFL - FERGY should be our pick. If you want fans in seats you draft an exciting player like YOUNG not Leinart.

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Any big-name-quarterback will put fans in the seats at this point. Whether we draft Leinart or Young, they're winners and adding one of them to the team will get people excited for the future.

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You know I just thought of something. What if we packaged our 2007 first round pick, 06 fifth, and A.B. and shopped it around to the teams in the top ten? I think we could sucker one of them into giving us their 06 first round pick in return. Then we could take Leinart or Young then Hawk, Fergussen, Ryans, or Jimmy Williams.

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i actually agree with you on this one wheelman. if leinart and hawk/ryans/williams are what i think they are, our 2007 first rounder will be in the upper 20's anyways. so we really wouldn't be loosing much. i will have to look a little closer to see what teams might be interested in such a thing.

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People won't come to see someone play if they lose. I don't care what your name is... ask Farve when there losing street was being extended they were not staying or coming to the games.

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Well folks may debate and debate and debate all day. Maybe trading down is the best option but you have to remember that it takes two parties to trade. We can want to trade down all we want but if no one wants to accept our offer or is trying to lowball us then the trade down isn't worth it. I think WHEN we don't trade down fans should realize this. We are unlikely to get an equal value for a trade for our pick, which is why you rarely see anyone trade out of the #1 and #2 picks.

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No trades of any kind for the our first pick, let's grab Young and get ready our second pick.

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I think Oakland (#6) and Arizona (#10) are the best bets.

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oakland doesn't have the #6 pick yet. the 6th and 7th pick status is subject to coin flip, which still hasn't been done yet.

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Oh yeah, I forgot. Either way I think they may go for it.

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the 6th pick in the draft has been the jinx spot for the past decade. every pick taken at that spot has been a bust for every team picking.

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:bs:

I probably wouldn't call Richard Seymour, Corey Simon, Torry Holt, Grant Wistrom, or Walter Jones "busts." Nice try.

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? :?


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Trade down no futher than 7 i agree. but with all the hype in the top 5 we have to make it in two trades not 1.
The worst thing at that point would be a choice of a starting NT for our future 3-4 (bye bye Johnny or a true #1 CB. Letting Mac be the true #2 he is.
Imagine all the extra hype picks to go along with the regular draft value picks. this is one of the best hyped drafts in years. Package some of those picks with players we have and get back up the board with no problem. I think we could get as many as 8 picks on day one
1-1
3-2
2-3
2-4
just imagine?
Plus a #1 in 2007
Sure day 2 would be lite but we all would have hangovers anyways.
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