Trading down

stockman311 · 01-27-2006, 11:45 AM

If the Saints trade down I think we should draft D'Brickshaw Ferguson. This kid appears to be a monster at LT and lord knows we need to get rid of Gandy. We could then pick up Brodie Croyle at QB in the second round and with the extra second we would get in the trade down we could get a LB. I would't mind getting Hawk in a trade down either at this point. I used to want Leinart or Young, but now I am more sold on Cutler and Croyle as being better values for the pick.

FatiusJeebs · 01-27-2006, 12:21 PM

My biggest fear is that Leinart will end up being like the next Shuler. Remember him?!?!?!?!? I agree with stock. I say we should get Hawk.

BrooksMustGo · 01-27-2006, 12:47 PM

I basically agree with this strategy for several reasons.

1. Our head coach has built a career of getting great results from shaky QBs. If ever we can pass on the can't miss QB prospect it should be this year.

2. A-Mac--he's really the question mark here. Maybe he isn't being allocated to NFL-E because Payton wants to see what he has in the kid prior to the draft. If Payton can make guys like Qunicy Carter, Vinnie and Drew Bledsoe into 3000 yard guys again, he might be able to really do something with an athletic monster like A-Mac?

3. Given our other needs, we can probably afford to wait until round 2 and get a guy like Croyle (or whoever, I haven't really figured out my post first round QB preference). The main point being that there are several quality prospects who should fall into round 2. If A-Mac shows real promise we could even wait more.

4. D'Brickshaw Ferguson. He's had a monster senior bowl week and dominated the best guys coming out of college this year. He should be able to come in and start. I for one would like to have the next Willie Roaf in black and gold. The trouble with this is we can't trade down far, if at all, to get him. Long arms, great feat, a frame to add more muscle, great technique all spell the can't miss prospect of this draft.

5. I like Hawk, but I like nailing down the LT position more given the emphasis in our division with pressuring the QB.

fhs623 · 01-27-2006, 12:53 PM

I like the idea of trading down. How about dj shockley as opposed to croyle?

jergensl · 01-27-2006, 01:01 PM

there is nothing to say that hawk or ferguson won't be busts. there are plenty examples of LTs and LBs taken early in the first round that have been busts.

what did croyle do in college? that alabama offense only scored 10 points a game.
cutler had 1 great year. those guys make me very nervous.

i would rather take leinart and see him bust than not take him and watch him become a hall of fame QB on another team.

gfanaticlsu · 01-27-2006, 01:19 PM

DJ shockly is the most over rated QB. He will not be a good NFL qb. He is another AB.

stockman311 · 01-27-2006, 01:29 PM

To me this is one of the best top 10 drafts in recent memory. We are going to be able to draft an impact player whether we stay put or trade down even to spot number 5. We will have a shot at: Matt Leinart, Vince Young, D'Brickshaw Ferguson, AJ Hawk. In my opinion the most can't miss are in this order:
1)Ferguson
2)Hawk
3)Leinart
4)Young
Qb's by the nature of the position are the hardest to evaluate skills to the next level, and I just don't think the Saints are in the position to gamble with this pick at this point.
I think if you can trade down with the Jets at number 4 and get a high second rounder out of it you have to do it. Ferguson would be my pick if I were running the show.

Euphoria · 01-27-2006, 01:39 PM

I think the coaches in place believe in OL and D so trading down with Oakland seems a lock tome and getting Ferguson

HOUSTONSAINT · 01-27-2006, 01:47 PM

You guys need to remember that Benson is worried about selling tickets. If he trades down for a lineman or linebacker and passes on a QB, his already shaky fan base will accuse the team of selling out. However, If he can market a Hiesman Trophy winning QB for the home games, the fans will come back.

Euphoria · 01-28-2006, 05:37 PM

bullcrap... Leinart isn't going to put fans in seats. Wins will and the way to start doing to is building one of the best lines in the NFL - FERGY should be our pick. If you want fans in seats you draft an exciting player like YOUNG not Leinart.

01-27-2006, 11:45 AM	#1
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Trading down If the Saints trade down I think we should draft D'Brickshaw Ferguson. This kid appears to be a monster at LT and lord knows we need to get rid of Gandy. We could then pick up Brodie Croyle at QB in the second round and with the extra second we would get in the trade down we could get a LB. I would't mind getting Hawk in a trade down either at this point. I used to want Leinart or Young, but now I am more sold on Cutler and Croyle as being better values for the pick.

01-27-2006, 12:21 PM	#2
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	RE: Trading down My biggest fear is that Leinart will end up being like the next Shuler. Remember him?!?!?!?!? I agree with stock. I say we should get Hawk.
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01-27-2006, 12:47 PM	#3
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	I basically agree with this strategy for several reasons. 1. Our head coach has built a career of getting great results from shaky QBs. If ever we can pass on the can't miss QB prospect it should be this year. 2. A-Mac--he's really the question mark here. Maybe he isn't being allocated to NFL-E because Payton wants to see what he has in the kid prior to the draft. If Payton can make guys like Qunicy Carter, Vinnie and Drew Bledsoe into 3000 yard guys again, he might be able to really do something with an athletic monster like A-Mac? 3. Given our other needs, we can probably afford to wait until round 2 and get a guy like Croyle (or whoever, I haven't really figured out my post first round QB preference). The main point being that there are several quality prospects who should fall into round 2. If A-Mac shows real promise we could even wait more. 4. D'Brickshaw Ferguson. He's had a monster senior bowl week and dominated the best guys coming out of college this year. He should be able to come in and start. I for one would like to have the next Willie Roaf in black and gold. The trouble with this is we can't trade down far, if at all, to get him. Long arms, great feat, a frame to add more muscle, great technique all spell the can't miss prospect of this draft. 5. I like Hawk, but I like nailing down the LT position more given the emphasis in our division with pressuring the QB.
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01-27-2006, 12:53 PM	#4
fhs623 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 137	qb I like the idea of trading down. How about dj shockley as opposed to croyle?
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01-27-2006, 01:01 PM	#5
jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	RE: Trading down there is nothing to say that hawk or ferguson won't be busts. there are plenty examples of LTs and LBs taken early in the first round that have been busts. what did croyle do in college? that alabama offense only scored 10 points a game. cutler had 1 great year. those guys make me very nervous. i would rather take leinart and see him bust than not take him and watch him become a hall of fame QB on another team.

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01-27-2006, 01:19 PM	#6
gfanaticlsu 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 108	RE: Trading down DJ shockly is the most over rated QB. He will not be a good NFL qb. He is another AB.
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01-27-2006, 01:29 PM	#7
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	RE: Trading down To me this is one of the best top 10 drafts in recent memory. We are going to be able to draft an impact player whether we stay put or trade down even to spot number 5. We will have a shot at: Matt Leinart, Vince Young, D'Brickshaw Ferguson, AJ Hawk. In my opinion the most can't miss are in this order: 1)Ferguson 2)Hawk 3)Leinart 4)Young Qb's by the nature of the position are the hardest to evaluate skills to the next level, and I just don't think the Saints are in the position to gamble with this pick at this point. I think if you can trade down with the Jets at number 4 and get a high second rounder out of it you have to do it. Ferguson would be my pick if I were running the show.

01-27-2006, 01:39 PM	#8
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	RE: Trading down I think the coaches in place believe in OL and D so trading down with Oakland seems a lock tome and getting Ferguson

01-27-2006, 01:47 PM	#9
HOUSTONSAINT Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 12	RE: Trading down You guys need to remember that Benson is worried about selling tickets. If he trades down for a lineman or linebacker and passes on a QB, his already shaky fan base will accuse the team of selling out. However, If he can market a Hiesman Trophy winning QB for the home games, the fans will come back.
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01-28-2006, 05:37 PM	#10
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	RE: Trading down bullcrap... Leinart isn't going to put fans in seats. Wins will and the way to start doing to is building one of the best lines in the NFL - FERGY should be our pick. If you want fans in seats you draft an exciting player like YOUNG not Leinart.