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this is a discussion within the NFL Community Forum; Originally Posted by saintfan What? Amazing... If you had two boys, would you be interested in protecting them from gold diggers? Not saying that is the case here, but then we can't say it isn't either, so why so quick ...

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Old 04-22-2010, 04:53 PM   #11
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Re: Another guy we can hang...

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If you had two boys, would you be interested in protecting them from gold diggers? Not saying that is the case here, but then we can't say it isn't either, so why so quick to the trigger?
not pulling the trigger, if i had 2 wealthy boy's in college trying to scoop up chic's there age and they pulled crap like the one's were talking about i would protect them like a father till they went off to the state pen. lol saintsfan its an every year gonna happen thing these instant millionaires just take what they want without permission and i'm guilty of getting way over pissed about it. big ben is just an guy that can't control his alco and thats his problem. i have nothing against ben with no alco. foster on the other hand invites this hotel clerk to his room and i guess he thinks its on so he takes it. i don't know what happened ,and that's what your trying to drive home to me. we don't know. but i will take up for the lowly victim every time sorry bro.

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Old 04-22-2010, 05:20 PM   #12
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not pulling the trigger, if i had 2 wealthy boy's in college trying to scoop up chic's there age and they pulled crap like the one's were talking about i would protect them like a father till they went off to the state pen. lol saintsfan its an every year gonna happen thing these instant millionaires just take what they want without permission and i'm guilty of getting way over pissed about it. big ben is just an guy that can't control his alco and thats his problem. i have nothing against ben with no alco. foster on the other hand invites this hotel clerk to his room and i guess he thinks its on so he takes it. i don't know what happened ,and that's what your trying to drive home to me. we don't know. but i will take up for the lowly victim every time sorry bro.
But you don't know what happened, so yeah, you're pretty much jumping the gun wouldn't you agree, or do you know something the rest of us don't know? What if your boys were innocent? You know, ladies lead rich and famous guys on all the time and then change their tune for a pay day. Why are you so quick to assume one thing and not the other? Because you have daughters? That doesn't make it right. I have a daughter too by the way.

We're not talking about Ben...we're talking about someone else, or we might be talking about Michael Irvin who was accused but not charged recently, or Warren Sapp, who was accused but not charged recently.

The 'victim' is sometimes a crooked SOB, so maybe you should be a bit more discerning, bro.

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Old 04-23-2010, 11:33 AM   #13
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Nope sorry - I have a daughter in college also sp I tend to agree.

I also have son in college & you are right I am not as worried about him.

BUT - LETS BE HONEST (any of us who are men) We know exactly what is on the minds of most guys for a great deal of the day & it is...Sex.

I do worry about the huge ginormous athletes behaving like drunken frat boys more than I do about some cougar taking advantage of my son.
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Old 04-23-2010, 02:58 PM   #14
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Nope sorry - I have a daughter in college also sp I tend to agree.

I also have son in college & you are right I am not as worried about him.

BUT - LETS BE HONEST (any of us who are men) We know exactly what is on the minds of most guys for a great deal of the day & it is...Sex.

I do worry about the huge ginormous athletes behaving like drunken frat boys more than I do about some cougar taking advantage of my son.
I think you guys are missing the point. Why does everyone want to assume the guy is guilty? Upon what, precisely (and don't be vague and say you have girls in college), are you basing that assumption? I've known plenty of girls who were just as interested in sex as me when I was in college.

Being worried about your son any more or less than your daughter completely misses the point. What if your SON was the accused? THEN how quick are you to make the 'guilty as assumed' statement? I'll bet the roll is slowed considerably.

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Originally Posted by saintfan View Post
I think you guys are missing the point. Why does everyone want to assume the guy is guilty? Upon what, precisely (and don't be vague and say you have girls in college), are you basing that assumption? I've known plenty of girls who were just as interested in sex as me when I was in college.

Being worried about your son any more or less than your daughter completely misses the point. What if your SON was the accused? THEN how quick are you to make the 'guilty as assumed' statement? I'll bet the roll is slowed considerably.
Kinda like.. you dont know till it happens to you...whats new in life ,,huh
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Kinda like.. you dont know till it happens to you...whats new in life ,,huh
I have learned a lot while managing to live as long as I have, and my opinions of things and my approach to things, in many cases, have changed from when I was 22 or 23 and could afford to spout off about things I didn't know anything about. There was a time when I didn't understand my grandpa's grace, and only now am I starting to 'get it'. I can see now why he feels the way he feels and why he acts (or doesn't act) the way he does. God forbid something ever happened to a child of mine, cause I'm likely to kill the SOB that did it - and ya'll can visit me in jail until falconhater throws the switch. But that's not the point.

The old saying "Don't judge a book by it's cover" is accurate
Never, EVER assume something unless you're prepared to be wrong
Do unto others as you would have done to you
Don't throw rocks in a glass house
Innocent until proven guilty
Stuck between a hard rock and a fence post

No, wait, that last one is my wife's version. She always gets the sayings 'mostly' right. LOL But you must also be a responsible person to yourself and do what you can to stay away from situations that are potentially sub-optimal, for lack of a better way to express it.


You get the theme. People throw good lessons right out the window for all kinds of reasons. People chose to ignore things because they want to, and they chose to circumvent rules when convenient, and some people will trash any thing and any person that gets in the way of THEIR view of things. We've all been guilty of these kinds of things at some point or other. I made the assumption that falconhater didn't have a degree in English. He does. I was wrong. He clearly assumes his degree is evidence of his knowledge. It isn't. He is wrong.

So when a guy is accused of 'rape', so many people start beating their chests or hoping for this punishment or that punishment or maybe no punishment at all. There is evidence of several people doing that on this site alone. I just do not follow the logic. I'm the FIRST guy in line to sound off on punishment once a person is proven guilty, but I'm also the FIRST guy in line to tell the crowd to wait until the process is complete, because I know for a undeniable fact that the accused is often innocent of the crime and that there isn't always enough proof beyond a reasonable doubt to convict, even thought what evidence there is may 'suggest' guilt. I manage to maintain my respect for the system because I believe in it, and I have a genuine desire to understand why others do not. And everyone's principles go right out the window when something hits close to home, whether they admit it or not.

You see a rich athlete. He gets himself into trouble with some lady. The vigilantes among us arrive with a noose on the ready. OH, the POOR VICTIM! I say let's slow down here, because I can point to many times where the 'victim' turned out to be the accused. The NFL PREACHES to these kids to watch themselves, and to be on the lookout for gold diggers, although they use different language I would imagine. All rookies are required to attend this event every year. I've worked for several companies that require everyone (men and women) to attend sexual harassment training so the employees KNOW what it means, and the lawyers who teach these classes will tell you, it has as much to do with knowing how to spot that gold digger as it does knowing you can't force yourself on someone.

So yeah, you don't know what happens until it happens, and you don't know what happened until you have all the facts. Making assumptions is dangerous, and if you're not careful you'll end up between a hard rock and a fence post.

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Originally Posted by saintfan View Post
I have learned a lot while managing to live as long as I have, and my opinions of things and my approach to things, in many cases, have changed from when I was 22 or 23 and could afford to spout off about things I didn't know anything about. There was a time when I didn't understand my grandpa's grace, and only now am I starting to 'get it'. I can see now why he feels the way he feels and why he acts (or doesn't act) the way he does. God forbid something ever happened to a child of mine, cause I'm likely to kill the SOB that did it - and ya'll can visit me in jail until falconhater throws the switch. But that's not the point.

The old saying "Don't judge a book by it's cover" is accurate
Never, EVER assume something unless you're prepared to be wrong
Do unto others as you would have done to you
Don't throw rocks in a glass house
Innocent until proven guilty
Stuck between a hard rock and a fence post

No, wait, that last one is my wife's version. She always gets the sayings 'mostly' right. LOL But you must also be a responsible person to yourself and do what you can to stay away from situations that are potentially sub-optimal, for lack of a better way to express it.


You get the theme. People throw good lessons right out the window for all kinds of reasons. People chose to ignore things because they want to, and they chose to circumvent rules when convenient, and some people will trash any thing and any person that gets in the way of THEIR view of things. We've all been guilty of these kinds of things at some point or other. I made the assumption that falconhater didn't have a degree in English. He does. I was wrong. He clearly assumes his degree is evidence of his knowledge. It isn't. He is wrong.

So when a guy is accused of 'rape', so many people start beating their chests or hoping for this punishment or that punishment or maybe no punishment at all. There is evidence of several people doing that on this site alone. I just do not follow the logic. I'm the FIRST guy in line to sound off on punishment once a person is proven guilty, but I'm also the FIRST guy in line to tell the crowd to wait until the process is complete, because I know for a undeniable fact that the accused is often innocent of the crime and that there isn't always enough proof beyond a reasonable doubt to convict, even thought what evidence there is may 'suggest' guilt. I manage to maintain my respect for the system because I believe in it, and I have a genuine desire to understand why others do not. And everyone's principles go right out the window when something hits close to home, whether they admit it or not.

You see a rich athlete. He gets himself into trouble with some lady. The vigilantes among us arrive with a noose on the ready. OH, the POOR VICTIM! I say let's slow down here, because I can point to many times where the 'victim' turned out to be the accused. The NFL PREACHES to these kids to watch themselves, and to be on the lookout for gold diggers, although they use different language I would imagine. All rookies are required to attend this event every year. I've worked for several companies that require everyone (men and women) to attend sexual harassment training so the employees KNOW what it means, and the lawyers who teach these classes will tell you, it has as much to do with knowing how to spot that gold digger as it does knowing you can't force yourself on someone.

So yeah, you don't know what happens until it happens, and you don't know what happened until you have all the facts. Making assumptions is dangerous, and if you're not careful you'll end up between a hard rock and a fence post.
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Old 04-23-2010, 05:41 PM   #19
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But you don't know what happened, so yeah, you're pretty much jumping the gun wouldn't you agree, or do you know something the rest of us don't know? What if your boys were innocent? You know, ladies lead rich and famous guys on all the time and then change their tune for a pay day. Why are you so quick to assume one thing and not the other? Because you have daughters? That doesn't make it right. I have a daughter too by the way.

We're not talking about Ben...we're talking about someone else, or we might be talking about Michael Irvin who was accused but not charged recently, or Warren Sapp, who was accused but not charged recently.

The 'victim' is sometimes a crooked SOB, so maybe you should be a bit more discerning, bro.
i told you already i don't know so don't beat the dead horse, this crap gets to the public then vanishes when the big secret settlements done. does that make ben and foster guilty hell yea
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i told you already i don't know so don't beat the dead horse, this crap gets to the public then vanishes when the big secret settlements done. does that make ben and foster guilty hell yea
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