MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER

Tobias-Reiper · 05-09-2010, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

Absolutely.

Wow. Just wow. Ok. I understand you guys over there pretend to play football, but don't go around making dumb statements like that. Any physical training will make you a better athlete, but being a better athlete does not mean it makes you better at playing a sport than actually practicing the sport itself. That is just, well, dumb.

Crusader · 05-09-2010, 04:52 PM

Ok. I understand you guys over there pretend to play football

Thats quite rude and its really uncalled for.

If you're not a good athlete you can do as much drills you want, it will not improve you significally. Stiff hips and ankles are the biggest problem in any sport, basketball, football, ice hockey, track and so on. It prevents you from getting the best angles for movement an thus drasticly lowers the amount of force you can produce. MMA training is really good for increasing strenght in the core and flexibility in hips an ankles thus improving the athletic skill.

The big difference between a guy in the NFL and the UFL for example is not Xs an Os, its not handplacement when they make a block or how they do their reads but pure athletic ability.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-09-2010, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

Thats quite rude and its really uncalled for.

If you're not a good athlete you can do as much drills you want, it will not improve you significally. Stiff hips and ankles are the biggest problem in any sport, basketball, football, ice hockey, track and so on. It prevents you from getting the best angles for movement an thus drasticly lowers the amount of force you can produce. MMA training is really good for increasing strenght in the core and flexibility in hips an ankles thus improving the athletic skill.

The big difference between a guy in the NFL and the UFL for example is not Xs an Os, its not handplacement when they make a block or how they do their reads but pure athletic ability.

HA HA HA HA!! Wow... Really? So now Michael Vick is a better QB than Drew Brees or Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? He's got TONS of pure athletic ability over them... He must be better...

Stop. The more you type stuff, the deeper you dig yourself in. It is just mind-boggling that you would made statements like that.

One thing you need to understand about "MMA training": I have no idea what you did before when you said you did "some UFC type training", but most of that training is nothing special, unless you are talking about a martial art itself. A lot of that stuff is stuff many athletes do in the gym.

Being a better athlete helps you when you play sports, no question, but surely training in one sport doesn't make you better at playing another sport as compared to someone who practices that other sport. I can get footwork and fluent hips doing football drills because guess what? there are football drills that do just that. Flexibility, you get that by stretching, and that is not particular to any sport.. stiff ankles? I don't know about that.. back in the day when I played football, I taped my ankles, so they were pretty stiff.. I take it that all those NFL players who tape their ankles, their ankles are as stiff as mine were, probably even more, since they have people doing the taping for them.

Rugby Saint II · 05-09-2010, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Wow. Just wow. Ok. I understand you guys over there pretend to play football, but don't go around making dumb statements like that. Any physical training will make you a better athlete, but being a better athlete does not mean it makes you better at playing a sport than actually practicing the sport itself. That is just, well, dumb.

I teach Martial Arts. I know for a fact that when you learn something new that your brain has just opened a new pathway. The more pathways that you have open then the greater your options when it comes down to confrontation. My judo training has translated extremely well into tackling in Rugby. My Martial Arts training has also helped me understand how to hit an opponent with an open hand and redirect a big body where I want him to go. Before Martial Arts I wasn't a very good football player and I guarantee you that now when I do play football I am always the first picked.
You don't understand how effective this training can be. In fact I have seriously been considering contacting the Saints FO. I have taught at the University level as well as various police and sheriff's departments.
I'm not bragging, I just want you to understand that this can and does benefit the people who can comprehend these skills.

Crusader · 05-10-2010, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

HA HA HA HA!! Wow... Really? So now Michael Vick is a better QB than Drew Brees or Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? He's got TONS of pure athletic ability over them... He must be better...

How many standouts has there been in higschool that didn't go to college because they were a little to slow or a little to weak but good and solid footballplayers. The same happens between college and the pros, guys that has been stars are quickly disregarded because they run two tenths of a second to slow on the 40 yard dash. You see it happen every year.

The point I'm trying to make is the fact that there are thousand and thousands of really good footballplayers out there who lack the physical tools to take the game to the next level. I never said athletic ability is the ONLY thing you need but that it is very important. Of course there will always be guys who has all the physical tools like Vick or Gholston but that can't get it together on the field.

One thing you need to understand about "MMA training": I have no idea what you did before when you said you did "some UFC type training", but most of that training is nothing special, unless you are talking about a martial art itself. A lot of that stuff is stuff many athletes do in the gym.

I've been involved in 4 (or 5 depending on how you count) diffrent football programs and have a great insight in a lot of other, no pro Team thou. What I've seen so far is that most teams, like most people in a gym, focus on the base lifts like squat, bench and deadlift. Depending on what philosophy you have when it comes to lifting people tend to combine that with the either the olympic lifts, snatch, clean, jerk etc or with other auxillary lifts.

What I refer to when I say MMA training is closer to crossfit but not quite there either. Still it involves a lot of complex exercises, high reps and high intensity, a lot of dynamic stretching (close to MAQ I would say). And yes also the martial art part of it, the kicking but especially the punching.

Being a better athlete helps you when you play sports, no question, but surely training in one sport doesn't make you better at playing another sport as compared to someone who practices that other sport.

Actually a lot of studies shows that practising multiple sports is really good, a good example is combining football and track and field. The track will help you improve your speed if you are a WR or say an OL who is a shotputter wil get more explosive and also work a lot of balance.

I can get footwork and fluent hips doing football drills because guess what? there are football drills that do just that. Flexibility, you get that by stretching, and that is not particular to any sport.. stiff ankles? I don't know about that.. back in the day when I played football, I taped my ankles, so they were pretty stiff.. I take it that all those NFL players who tape their ankles, their ankles are as stiff as mine were, probably even more, since they have people doing the taping for them

Yes you can get fluent hips doing football drills. i personally believe that there is more effective ways thou. And when it comes to stretching the latest research shows that dynamic stretching is the best.

There has also been a lot of research on th etopic of taped ankles and most information seems to say that taping your ankles actually makes it harder for you to make cuts and most importantly increases the risk for knee injuries since you lock on joint that would otherwise help you to not get yor leg in angles that might cause injuries.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-10-2010, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I teach Martial Arts. I know for a fact that when you learn something new that your brain has just opened a new pathway. The more pathways that you have open then the greater your options when it comes down to confrontation. My judo training has translated extremely well into tackling in Rugby. My Martial Arts training has also helped me understand how to hit an opponent with an open hand and redirect a big body where I want him to go. Before Martial Arts I wasn't a very good football player and I guarantee you that now when I do play football I am always the first picked.
You don't understand how effective this training can be. In fact I have seriously been considering contacting the Saints FO. I have taught at the University level as well as various police and sheriff's departments.
I'm not bragging, I just want you to understand that this can and does benefit the people who can comprehend these skills.

I comprehend the skills just fine. I have a blue sash in Wushu. And I played football in HS in a very good program. So I do comprehend the skills. And please tell me you didn't compare playing organized football with whatever is it that you get picked first to play.

This is getting ridiculous. Being a better athlete will help you play when playing any sport, but practicing one sport is not going to give you better skills at another sport.

You people make it sound as if football drills don't make you a better athlete.

Funny that, at the highest levels (NFL, UFC), there are a lot of football rejects doing MMA, but no MMA rejects playing football.

FatCitySaint · 05-10-2010, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Funny that, at the highest levels (NFL, UFC), there are a lot of football rejects doing MMA, but no MMA rejects playing football.

I'm staying outta this lol.....but this was a good one....hard to argue with that one...lol.....sorry

Rugby Saint II · 05-10-2010, 12:20 PM

How about this? If it is catching on in the NFL with coaches who actually understand the concept then it may have some value. As far as being picked first my point is that it made me a better athlete. I'm quite confident in my abilities and believe that you just don't get it. You have your opinion and I understand how you could feel that way, but once again I don't believe that you understand the concept.

Rugby Saint II · 05-10-2010, 12:33 PM

Funny that, at the highest levels (NFL, UFC), there are a lot of football rejects doing MMA, but no MMA rejects playing football.[/QUOTE]

I've got to admit he has made a good point, however that one point does not validate his argument.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-10-2010, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

I've been involved in 4 (or 5 depending on how you count) diffrent football programs and have a great insight in a lot of other, no pro Team thou. What I've seen so far is that most teams, like most people in a gym, focus on the base lifts like squat, bench and deadlift.

I am going to stop you right there, and point blank tell you, you have never been around a real football program.

05-09-2010, 04:11 PM	#11
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Crusader Absolutely. Wow. Just wow. Ok. I understand you guys over there pretend to play football, but don't go around making dumb statements like that. Any physical training will make you a better athlete, but being a better athlete does not mean it makes you better at playing a sport than actually practicing the sport itself. That is just, well, dumb.

05-09-2010, 04:52 PM	#12
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 7,983	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Ok. I understand you guys over there pretend to play football Thats quite rude and its really uncalled for. If you're not a good athlete you can do as much drills you want, it will not improve you significally. Stiff hips and ankles are the biggest problem in any sport, basketball, football, ice hockey, track and so on. It prevents you from getting the best angles for movement an thus drasticly lowers the amount of force you can produce. MMA training is really good for increasing strenght in the core and flexibility in hips an ankles thus improving the athletic skill. The big difference between a guy in the NFL and the UFL for example is not Xs an Os, its not handplacement when they make a block or how they do their reads but pure athletic ability.
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05-09-2010, 05:59 PM	#13
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Crusader Thats quite rude and its really uncalled for. If you're not a good athlete you can do as much drills you want, it will not improve you significally. Stiff hips and ankles are the biggest problem in any sport, basketball, football, ice hockey, track and so on. It prevents you from getting the best angles for movement an thus drasticly lowers the amount of force you can produce. MMA training is really good for increasing strenght in the core and flexibility in hips an ankles thus improving the athletic skill. The big difference between a guy in the NFL and the UFL for example is not Xs an Os, its not handplacement when they make a block or how they do their reads but pure athletic ability. HA HA HA HA!! Wow... Really? So now Michael Vick is a better QB than Drew Brees or Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? He's got TONS of pure athletic ability over them... He must be better... Stop. The more you type stuff, the deeper you dig yourself in. It is just mind-boggling that you would made statements like that. One thing you need to understand about "MMA training": I have no idea what you did before when you said you did "some UFC type training", but most of that training is nothing special, unless you are talking about a martial art itself. A lot of that stuff is stuff many athletes do in the gym. Being a better athlete helps you when you play sports, no question, but surely training in one sport doesn't make you better at playing another sport as compared to someone who practices that other sport. I can get footwork and fluent hips doing football drills because guess what? there are football drills that do just that. Flexibility, you get that by stretching, and that is not particular to any sport.. stiff ankles? I don't know about that.. back in the day when I played football, I taped my ankles, so they were pretty stiff.. I take it that all those NFL players who tape their ankles, their ankles are as stiff as mine were, probably even more, since they have people doing the taping for them.
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05-09-2010, 10:23 PM	#14
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,718	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Wow. Just wow. Ok. I understand you guys over there pretend to play football, but don't go around making dumb statements like that. Any physical training will make you a better athlete, but being a better athlete does not mean it makes you better at playing a sport than actually practicing the sport itself. That is just, well, dumb. I teach Martial Arts. I know for a fact that when you learn something new that your brain has just opened a new pathway. The more pathways that you have open then the greater your options when it comes down to confrontation. My judo training has translated extremely well into tackling in Rugby. My Martial Arts training has also helped me understand how to hit an opponent with an open hand and redirect a big body where I want him to go. Before Martial Arts I wasn't a very good football player and I guarantee you that now when I do play football I am always the first picked. You don't understand how effective this training can be. In fact I have seriously been considering contacting the Saints FO. I have taught at the University level as well as various police and sheriff's departments. I'm not bragging, I just want you to understand that this can and does benefit the people who can comprehend these skills.

05-10-2010, 04:05 AM	#15
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 7,983	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper HA HA HA HA!! Wow... Really? So now Michael Vick is a better QB than Drew Brees or Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? He's got TONS of pure athletic ability over them... He must be better... How many standouts has there been in higschool that didn't go to college because they were a little to slow or a little to weak but good and solid footballplayers. The same happens between college and the pros, guys that has been stars are quickly disregarded because they run two tenths of a second to slow on the 40 yard dash. You see it happen every year. The point I'm trying to make is the fact that there are thousand and thousands of really good footballplayers out there who lack the physical tools to take the game to the next level. I never said athletic ability is the ONLY thing you need but that it is very important. Of course there will always be guys who has all the physical tools like Vick or Gholston but that can't get it together on the field. One thing you need to understand about "MMA training": I have no idea what you did before when you said you did "some UFC type training", but most of that training is nothing special, unless you are talking about a martial art itself. A lot of that stuff is stuff many athletes do in the gym. I've been involved in 4 (or 5 depending on how you count) diffrent football programs and have a great insight in a lot of other, no pro Team thou. What I've seen so far is that most teams, like most people in a gym, focus on the base lifts like squat, bench and deadlift. Depending on what philosophy you have when it comes to lifting people tend to combine that with the either the olympic lifts, snatch, clean, jerk etc or with other auxillary lifts. What I refer to when I say MMA training is closer to crossfit but not quite there either. Still it involves a lot of complex exercises, high reps and high intensity, a lot of dynamic stretching (close to MAQ I would say). And yes also the martial art part of it, the kicking but especially the punching. Being a better athlete helps you when you play sports, no question, but surely training in one sport doesn't make you better at playing another sport as compared to someone who practices that other sport. Actually a lot of studies shows that practising multiple sports is really good, a good example is combining football and track and field. The track will help you improve your speed if you are a WR or say an OL who is a shotputter wil get more explosive and also work a lot of balance. I can get footwork and fluent hips doing football drills because guess what? there are football drills that do just that. Flexibility, you get that by stretching, and that is not particular to any sport.. stiff ankles? I don't know about that.. back in the day when I played football, I taped my ankles, so they were pretty stiff.. I take it that all those NFL players who tape their ankles, their ankles are as stiff as mine were, probably even more, since they have people doing the taping for them Yes you can get fluent hips doing football drills. i personally believe that there is more effective ways thou. And when it comes to stretching the latest research shows that dynamic stretching is the best. There has also been a lot of research on th etopic of taped ankles and most information seems to say that taping your ankles actually makes it harder for you to make cuts and most importantly increases the risk for knee injuries since you lock on joint that would otherwise help you to not get yor leg in angles that might cause injuries.
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05-10-2010, 06:22 AM	#16
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I teach Martial Arts. I know for a fact that when you learn something new that your brain has just opened a new pathway. The more pathways that you have open then the greater your options when it comes down to confrontation. My judo training has translated extremely well into tackling in Rugby. My Martial Arts training has also helped me understand how to hit an opponent with an open hand and redirect a big body where I want him to go. Before Martial Arts I wasn't a very good football player and I guarantee you that now when I do play football I am always the first picked. You don't understand how effective this training can be. In fact I have seriously been considering contacting the Saints FO. I have taught at the University level as well as various police and sheriff's departments. I'm not bragging, I just want you to understand that this can and does benefit the people who can comprehend these skills. I comprehend the skills just fine. I have a blue sash in Wushu. And I played football in HS in a very good program. So I do comprehend the skills. And please tell me you didn't compare playing organized football with whatever is it that you get picked first to play. This is getting ridiculous. Being a better athlete will help you play when playing any sport, but practicing one sport is not going to give you better skills at another sport. You people make it sound as if football drills don't make you a better athlete. Funny that, at the highest levels (NFL, UFC), there are a lot of football rejects doing MMA, but no MMA rejects playing football.
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05-10-2010, 06:29 AM	#17
FatCitySaint Where y'at baby Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Nashville via Metry!!!! Posts: 191	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Funny that, at the highest levels (NFL, UFC), there are a lot of football rejects doing MMA, but no MMA rejects playing football. I'm staying outta this lol.....but this was a good one....hard to argue with that one...lol.....sorry

05-10-2010, 12:20 PM	#18
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,718	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER How about this? If it is catching on in the NFL with coaches who actually understand the concept then it may have some value. As far as being picked first my point is that it made me a better athlete. I'm quite confident in my abilities and believe that you just don't get it. You have your opinion and I understand how you could feel that way, but once again I don't believe that you understand the concept.

05-10-2010, 12:33 PM	#19
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,718	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Funny that, at the highest levels (NFL, UFC), there are a lot of football rejects doing MMA, but no MMA rejects playing football.[/QUOTE] I've got to admit he has made a good point, however that one point does not validate his argument.
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05-10-2010, 04:46 PM	#20
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: MMA SPORTS/ JAY GLAZER Originally Posted by Crusader I've been involved in 4 (or 5 depending on how you count) diffrent football programs and have a great insight in a lot of other, no pro Team thou. What I've seen so far is that most teams, like most people in a gym, focus on the base lifts like squat, bench and deadlift. I am going to stop you right there, and point blank tell you, you have never been around a real football program.

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