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has anyone heard of this outfit, its some kind of MARTIAL ARTS workouts that they assist the players of teams that hire them. they've been in freakin falcunts camp lately and the big brass are estatic with the results of the de-line extra hip motions and reaction to the ball. quickness and agility are the things that the line are improving on. what i'm hearing on (sirius radio) is atlanta started the project last off season and and it improved the defensive motions so much that they rehired the staff of MMA sports to do it again. i know we beat the snot out of those dirtbag birds, AND SINCE we did not address our defensive issues much in the draft but did pick up some key positions. i'm ---well a little nervous/ jealous i guess. its just me worried about the atlanta defense gaining or sneaking up on us. they are not the only team thats hiring the outfit either. whats you guy's know or think about the MMA SPORTS ASSN.

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I can see that beeing a very good thing for them MMA and UFC and that kind of fighting has some of the best athletes in the world when it comes to the combination of power, explosivensess and flexibility.
I have done some UC style training myself in the past and the results were stunning. I didn't build mass but I got stronger and explosive as hell.

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any kind of martial arts or dancing or ballet or stuff like that helps with footwork and agility

you'd never realize how much judo or wrestling actually helps you on the offensive line.....crazy stuff about controlling momentum and weight distribution can mean the difference in lots and lots of ways

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...blah blah. They're getting excited over nothing. Sure it may be great exercise, but it's not going to make them any better at playing football than say, oh, football drills would make them. Glazer is just cashing in on the trend, and the Clowns are buying.

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TR, actually if you don't have the physical tools it doesn't matter how much football drills you do, the result will still not be very good.

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I'm a little confused as to what you are replying to, and why.

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This is what I'm replying to:

And why? Well because I don't agree with your statement that MMA training can't be better than football drills to improve ones skill at playing football. So I wrote an answer because I though that what forums are for...

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I believe Dan Dalrymple is considered one of the best strength and conditioning coaches, so I'm not too worried.

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Are you serious? So, are you saying that MMA training can be better than football drills for improving one's skills at playing football?

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Absolutely.

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Wow. Just wow. Ok. I understand you guys over there pretend to play football, but don't go around making dumb statements like that. Any physical training will make you a better athlete, but being a better athlete does not mean it makes you better at playing a sport than actually practicing the sport itself. That is just, well, dumb.

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Thats quite rude and its really uncalled for.

If you're not a good athlete you can do as much drills you want, it will not improve you significally. Stiff hips and ankles are the biggest problem in any sport, basketball, football, ice hockey, track and so on. It prevents you from getting the best angles for movement an thus drasticly lowers the amount of force you can produce. MMA training is really good for increasing strenght in the core and flexibility in hips an ankles thus improving the athletic skill.

The big difference between a guy in the NFL and the UFL for example is not Xs an Os, its not handplacement when they make a block or how they do their reads but pure athletic ability.

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HA HA HA HA!! Wow... Really? So now Michael Vick is a better QB than Drew Brees or Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? He's got TONS of pure athletic ability over them... He must be better...

Stop. The more you type stuff, the deeper you dig yourself in. It is just mind-boggling that you would made statements like that.

One thing you need to understand about "MMA training": I have no idea what you did before when you said you did "some UFC type training", but most of that training is nothing special, unless you are talking about a martial art itself. A lot of that stuff is stuff many athletes do in the gym.

Being a better athlete helps you when you play sports, no question, but surely training in one sport doesn't make you better at playing another sport as compared to someone who practices that other sport. I can get footwork and fluent hips doing football drills because guess what? there are football drills that do just that. Flexibility, you get that by stretching, and that is not particular to any sport.. stiff ankles? I don't know about that.. back in the day when I played football, I taped my ankles, so they were pretty stiff.. I take it that all those NFL players who tape their ankles, their ankles are as stiff as mine were, probably even more, since they have people doing the taping for them.

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I teach Martial Arts. I know for a fact that when you learn something new that your brain has just opened a new pathway. The more pathways that you have open then the greater your options when it comes down to confrontation. My judo training has translated extremely well into tackling in Rugby. My Martial Arts training has also helped me understand how to hit an opponent with an open hand and redirect a big body where I want him to go. Before Martial Arts I wasn't a very good football player and I guarantee you that now when I do play football I am always the first picked.
You don't understand how effective this training can be. In fact I have seriously been considering contacting the Saints FO. I have taught at the University level as well as various police and sheriff's departments.
I'm not bragging, I just want you to understand that this can and does benefit the people who can comprehend these skills.:yinyang:

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How many standouts has there been in higschool that didn't go to college because they were a little to slow or a little to weak but good and solid footballplayers. The same happens between college and the pros, guys that has been stars are quickly disregarded because they run two tenths of a second to slow on the 40 yard dash. You see it happen every year.

The point I'm trying to make is the fact that there are thousand and thousands of really good footballplayers out there who lack the physical tools to take the game to the next level. I never said athletic ability is the ONLY thing you need but that it is very important. Of course there will always be guys who has all the physical tools like Vick or Gholston but that can't get it together on the field.

I've been involved in 4 (or 5 depending on how you count) diffrent football programs and have a great insight in a lot of other, no pro Team thou. What I've seen so far is that most teams, like most people in a gym, focus on the base lifts like squat, bench and deadlift. Depending on what philosophy you have when it comes to lifting people tend to combine that with the either the olympic lifts, snatch, clean, jerk etc or with other auxillary lifts.

What I refer to when I say MMA training is closer to crossfit but not quite there either. Still it involves a lot of complex exercises, high reps and high intensity, a lot of dynamic stretching (close to MAQ I would say). And yes also the martial art part of it, the kicking but especially the punching.

Actually a lot of studies shows that practising multiple sports is really good, a good example is combining football and track and field. The track will help you improve your speed if you are a WR or say an OL who is a shotputter wil get more explosive and also work a lot of balance.


I can get footwork and fluent hips doing football drills because guess what? there are football drills that do just that. Flexibility, you get that by stretching, and that is not particular to any sport.. stiff ankles? I don't know about that.. back in the day when I played football, I taped my ankles, so they were pretty stiff.. I take it that all those NFL players who tape their ankles, their ankles are as stiff as mine were, probably even more, since they have people doing the taping for them

Yes you can get fluent hips doing football drills. i personally believe that there is more effective ways thou. And when it comes to stretching the latest research shows that dynamic stretching is the best.

There has also been a lot of research on th etopic of taped ankles and most information seems to say that taping your ankles actually makes it harder for you to make cuts and most importantly increases the risk for knee injuries since you lock on joint that would otherwise help you to not get yor leg in angles that might cause injuries.

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I comprehend the skills just fine. I have a blue sash in Wushu. And I played football in HS in a very good program. So I do comprehend the skills. And please tell me you didn't compare playing organized football with whatever is it that you get picked first to play.

This is getting ridiculous. Being a better athlete will help you play when playing any sport, but practicing one sport is not going to give you better skills at another sport.

You people make it sound as if football drills don't make you a better athlete.

Funny that, at the highest levels (NFL, UFC), there are a lot of football rejects doing MMA, but no MMA rejects playing football.

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I'm staying outta this lol.....but this was a good one....hard to argue with that one...lol.....sorry:mrgreen:

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How about this? If it is catching on in the NFL with coaches who actually understand the concept then it may have some value. As far as being picked first my point is that it made me a better athlete. I'm quite confident in my abilities and believe that you just don't get it. You have your opinion and I understand how you could feel that way, but once again I don't believe that you understand the concept.

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Funny that, at the highest levels (NFL, UFC), there are a lot of football rejects doing MMA, but no MMA rejects playing football.[/QUOTE]

I've got to admit he has made a good point, however that one point does not validate his argument.:whatever:

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I am going to stop you right there, and point blank tell you, you have never been around a real football program.

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Give GSP a tennis racket, and have him play a couple sets against, I don't know, Maria Sharapova. How many games do you think GSP is going to win? Hey, he's a superior athlete, right? This super-athlete, against sweet Maria, not even a contest, correct?: he can out-run her, out-jump her, out-punch her...

Most likely, Sharapova could sit on a chair and have GSP swing at air runing all over the place most of the time. Why would that be? SKILL!!

Athletics will always help anyone play sports, and there will always be some things from one sport that you can transfer to another: after all, sports include running, jumping, throwing, etc and using your hands and feet. But, to be GOOD at a sport, you need skills specific to that sport, and you do not get sport-specific skills by practicing another sport, period.

At the highest level of any sport, all the participants have more or less equal athletic abilities. What separates good players from bad-average players, is skills. What separates good players from superstars, is an innate ability to play a game, and that innate ability cannot be taught or obtained by any sort of training.

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this is simply not true

i appreciate what you are trying to get at.....but like ive said before there are certain sports that have excercises that do help you in another sport

just like judo or most other martial arts

it helps to know how to control your weight and another persons weight when blocking

if you can manipulate your own weight and your opponents weight and take them down, then you can easily transfer that to a football field where your opponent no longer knows how to control their own momentum and you can take advantage of that

of course you do sport specific drills because those are the ones that will help the most.....but thats not to say that another drill from another sport couldnt possibly help you

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Canton, my man.
Do you understand what you quoted?
Do you even practice judo? What's your degree?

Now, please, PLEASE tell me, how does judo help you:
run better routes?
catch a football? Tap your toes on the side-line?
throw a football accurately? or longer? Or just throw the damned thing in a spiral?
keep up with a WR?
make you decide whether you break to the inside or the outside?
kick a field goal from 40 yards out? Or a onside kick?
read a defense?
recognize a hole in the defense?
not fumble the ball?
how does an o-lineman take anyone down without getting a holding penalty?
I can come up with more, but I am just dying to hear this... :popcorn:

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TR you obviously don't know much about Martial Arts. This has turned into an argument and no one is going to convince you that it has merit in football. Remember this though, you don't have the experience in Martial Arts to really argue your point effectively. Whether you like it or not Martial Arts are moving into the world of football. You'll just have to deal with it. You have made a valid point or two, just not enough to compensate for your lack of knowledge.

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TR....let me let you in on a secret that you NEED to hear

you have no idea what you are talking about

do martial arts help you? of course....they can make your hands stronger to grip better as a WR, RB, TE, OL, LB, S, QB, DT, DE, CB.....did i miss anything?

as far as judo....look up judo.....train in judo for a few weeks....then tell me it doesnt help because until you do, you have absolutely no idea what you are actually saying

do i practice judo? not anymore, but i have in the past.....i do recommend judo to any offensive lineman i coach because it teaches you how to grab and take an opponent down

oh and as far as the offensive line goes, there is holding on every single play....the difference is where you hold....if you can manipulate a defensive players momentum and use their weight against them you can do lots of different things that you will never learn on a football field

but dont let my facts get in the way of your stubborness....you never have before

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Again, as I mentioned before, I do have a blue sash in Wushu. Obviously you either didn't read that part, or just ignored it, or you don't know what Wushu is. Wushu happens to be the name of Chinese Martial Arts, better known now as Kung Fu ( I just like to call them by their original name).

And again, I have absolutely no problem with anyone practicing Martial Arts. I practice them. But for anyone to say that Martial Arts training is going to give you better football skills than football drills/training, that is just dumb. Will Martial Arts make you a better athlete? Sure! Will it give you more football skills as compared to football drills? No.

And yet again, sure you can take certain things from one sport and apply them to others, after all when you play sports you use your arms, legs, head, body to kick, throw, run, punch, etc. so it is only logical that you would be able to apply certain things to many different sports, but that is only on the athletic side, not the skill side. I will again give you the example of George St. Pierre playing Tennis against Maria Sharapova. Athletically, no comparison. Yet, I bet you anything you want that, in a Tennis match, Maria sleep-walks through humiliating GSP on a Tennis court. Or is it that it only applies to football?

For someone who claims to be a "Martial Arts teacher" you should know better than this. What makes you learn Martial Arts and advance in ranks and master your style? Repetition of the forms. Same thing that makes you a better football player, repetition of the forms. Now I am really questioning your statement about being a MA teacher, or who the hell gave you a rank in anything.

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You aren't qualified to question me. If you don't understand just say so.
Let's not make this personal.....oh wait you have to have a personality first. It's simple....You're a freakin' idiot. You question my skills without having any of you own.:rolleyes:
Now remember you're the one who isn't qualified not me.
If you would like to meet me to discuss this in person please let me know when and where. This has gotten ugly and it's a reflection of your personality.:whatever:

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Right here, Canton, you are full of ****.

Again, I have a blue sash in Kung Fu that took me YEARS to get because my Sifu didn't get sashes away like most American "schools".

No true Martial Art is learned in "a few weeks". The first "few weeks" in my qwoon was learn how to stretch and try to hold a beginners' horse stance for 20 minutes. If you think you learned a hold or a strike in "a few weeks", go ask for your money back.

And last: if an o-lineman grabs and takes down an opponent, that is a 10 yard holding penalty.

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And could you please tell me how am I not qualified? Just because you said so? So far, the only thing that has come out of you, is "I'm right and you are wrong" with NOTHING, ABSOULTELY NOTHING to back it up. So far it's been you saying "I have skills and you don't".

You are just another poser. I'll let you get back at playing pretend with the pretend football player and Canton..

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I have a crowbar and 357 try and roundhouse me ...are u faster than a bullet...lol



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lol if you question my knowledge then you do so ignorantly

it took me 2 years to claim a yellow belt in judo.....why? because my instructor knew what he was doing....however, in that time i learned more about takin down a person than anything i learned in football my entire life

lol....watch any play....go ahead.....watch any play......in NFL history

now when you are watching the offensive line, for what is probably the first time in your life, take note of their hand placements and the action of their fists

you'll notice they clutch the underside of the defenders shoulder pads......not on the outside of their body, because that would be a holding penalty.....but in tight where holding IS NOT CALLED.....you'll notice that allows the offensive linemen to control the defender and push them whereever they can.

it is in this moment that judo comes in handy....you dont learn punches or kicks in judo, instead you learn how to manipulate momentum.....like ive been saying

they can take a person who is moving forward(defender) and use their forward momentum to unbalance them and take them down......which you are allowed to do in football.....its called a pancake brother

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i can see you've successfully dug yourself in a hole and can now only resort to name calling

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Now I understand, you watched David Carradine for a few years and decided that you know something.
But now I fully understand why you think you know something, it should have sunk in earlier.......you studied Kung Fu. The crappiest style that still exists. I'm sure that you have fought in many kick boxing tournaments and never lost (I retired undefeated)......That's not possible though because the Kung Fu style is pure crap. I have fought in Tournaments for years and have never given up a single point or a fight to that sloppy style of Martial Arts . Although I hesitate to call Kung Fu a Martial Art.
You prefer to just argue. A real Martial Artist doesn't need to argue to feed his small ego.
Maybe you need to invest in a penis enlarger. Then maybe you will feel like a man instead of some punk who represents himself with a violent video game. What are you 13?
btw I'm 51 and started studying when I was 14. I taught my first class over 20 years ago. But don't let someone who is qualified stand in the way of your stupidity.
And you can certainly say that it's just my word that I have skills. But that is just trying to belittle me and make yourself look like you know something. However, the more you post the less intelligent you look.
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i know we beat the snot out of those dirtbag birds