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this is a discussion within the NFL Community Forum; I've said this on a earlier thread, sign the man if he's cheap or cost effective but not at the expense of Greer or White. If NA wants to much money take a pass and let Rob earn his money ...

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Old 03-20-2013, 09:19 AM   #451
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Re: If the New Orleans Saints sign Nnamdi Asomugha what should they do with Jabari Greer, Patrick Robinson?

I've said this on a earlier thread, sign the man if he's cheap or cost effective but not at the expense of Greer or White. If NA wants to much money take a pass and let Rob earn his money and coach what we have. I believe Robinson can play he just needs someone to coach him and with the addition of Lewis I believe our secondary is shaping up. Greer was hurt last year, I believe if he stays healthy he's just as good as any other corner with the exception of Revis and other exceptional corners.
The saints need to improve on the non existent pass rush. If we continue to give QB's all day to throw the ball then it really doesn't matter who you sign at corner including Revis they will get picked apart.
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Old 03-20-2013, 09:55 AM   #452
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Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
I'm not sure Nnamdi offers the best bang for the buck...

And talking with friends that are Eagles fans that aren't stereo-typical Dome Stumbling types but actually know something -tell me he seemed past his prime and wasn't worth half the money...

Plus, it's been document he's selfish and self-centered...

I'd rather go younger and sign a Safety like Huff and give us flexibility and youth...

Greer and Robinson are going nowhere unless traded as money is either guaranteed or costs little and will provide depth...

So why sign an aged corner with limited cap space and the upcoming Graham signing?!?
With all due respect, while I understand your point about wanting younger guys and spending less money, this is a rather large assumption. One that many keep making.

No one knows what Nnamdi is asking for. You can rest assured that if his price IS too high, though, the Saints will not sign him.

And about going after younger guys... Because of their age, those guys will demand more money, regardless of their reputation. Unless they absolutely suck. In which case, we don't need those kind of players anyway.

A lot of people seem concerned with how we would dispose of either Greer or Robinson in a way that wouldn't cause a significant cap hit, should we sign Asomugha. But if we DO go after, say, Michael Huff, then what happens with Jenkins or Harper? I'm all for an upgrade at any of these positions, but we're going to be faced with the same questions no matter who we bring in. Someone will have to go. It's just the way it is.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 03-20-2013, 10:02 AM   #453
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I still think we are better trying to sign Volmer in a long term deal or McKinney on a short term contract and draft OLB/CB In rounds 1-3.
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Old 03-20-2013, 11:11 AM   #454
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Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha

Originally Posted by nola_swammi View Post
Robinson probably but this might be the year he bounce back. Remember he our 1st rd pick and he only been in the league 3 yrs. 1st time as a legitimate starter. I bet if anybody invested s much s the saints did will not be so quick to give up on him
Sedrick Ellis was also our first round pick and look how bad that turned out. Just because a player is drafted in the first round doesn't mean that player will be good. Robinson is terrible and that is why we are going after these CB's in the first place. If Robinson was good, we wouldn't need to bring in anyone.
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Old 03-20-2013, 12:17 PM   #455
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Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
I'm not sure Nnamdi offers the best bang for the buck...

Plus, it's been document he's selfish and self-centered...
This statement is patently false.

See below:

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Though he is lauded as a great person off the field and in the community, Asomugha has also been known as more of an intellectual with interests that go beyond the football field. His passion for the game has reportedly been questioned at times - though it may be re-ignited with his desire to start fresh.
Mixed opinions on whether Nnamdi Asomugha would be good gamble for New Orleans Saints | NOLA.com
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Old 03-20-2013, 12:29 PM   #456
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Re: If the New Orleans Saints sign Nnamdi Asomugha what should they do with Jabari Greer, Patrick Robinson?

I think someone may have already said this, and correct me if I'm wrong, but won't we often use Roman Harper as a blitzing safety instead of a fourth linebacker, and put 3 corners and a Jenkins back in coverage? It's still a 3-4 and not our nickel set, which we would also use from time to time, so I get the impression that, if we had all of these guys, we would have 3 corners on the field more often than not.
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Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha

Originally Posted by burningmetal View Post
With all due respect, while I understand your point about wanting younger guys and spending less money, this is a rather large assumption. One that many keep making.
Understand ya, feel ya, and I say just look at the singing of Keenan Lewis, highest rated performing cornerback in 2012, and his contract - players are there, younger and available and this is a buyer's market for corners this season...

Originally Posted by burningmetal View Post
No one knows what Nnamdi is asking for. You can rest assured that if his price IS too high, though, the Saints will not sign him.
See Will Smith and Roman Harper Contracts; Jason David in Free Agency; Loomis et al have engaged in some bad contracts...

Originally Posted by burningmetal View Post
And about going after younger guys... Because of their age, those guys will demand more money, regardless of their reputation. Unless they absolutely suck. In which case, we don't need those kind of players anyway.
Keenan Lewis? Very Reasonable contract. Those contracts are available...

Originally Posted by burningmetal View Post
A lot of people seem concerned with how we would dispose of either Greer or Robinson in a way that wouldn't cause a significant cap hit, should we sign Asomugha.
There would be no significant cap savings in cutting either Greer (guaranteed contract) nor Robinson (Low rent Rookie contract); the only way there leaving is to free a roster spot, either by release or trade value...

Originally Posted by burningmetal View Post
But if we DO go after, say, Michael Huff, then what happens with Jenkins or Harper? I'm all for an upgrade at any of these positions, but we're going to be faced with the same questions no matter who we bring in. Someone will have to go. It's just the way it is.
Jenkins has not shown progression nor development as a free safety; I feel he's be best suited as a cornerback or a Strong Safety...

Harper is a liability and is being paid way over his spot in the food chain...

Huff shifted to cornerback for the Raiders and has shown his depth of skills and attitude in doing so...

Signing Huff now would accomplish

(1) An upgrade at Safety like that of Darren Sharper's impact...

(2) A transition plan for the coming seasons when Jenkins' contract will expire...

(3) Some Cap relief, at the very least leverage, in getting Harper's contract at an appropriate level; and Huff should have a market friendly price...

I'm really hoping Nnamdi goes to San Fran and the Saints FO move on Huff...

If Nnamdi comes, I'm down with it, I'm just not buying his jersey or watching his movie/media career...

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Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Understand ya, feel ya, and I say just look at the singing of Keenan Lewis, highest rated performing cornerback in 2012, and his contract - players are there, younger and available and this is a buyer's market for corners this season...



See Will Smith and Roman Harper Contracts; Jason David in Free Agency; Loomis et al have engaged in some bad contracts...



Keenan Lewis? Very Reasonable contract. Those contracts are available...



There would be no significant cap savings in cutting either Greer (guaranteed contract) nor Robinson (Low rent Rookie contract); the only way there leaving is to free a roster spot, either by release or trade value...



Jenkins has not shown progression nor development as a free safety; I feel he's be best suited as a cornerback or a Strong Safety...

Harper is a liability and is being paid way over his spot in the food chain...

Huff shifted to cornerback for the Raiders and has shown his depth of skills and attitude in doing so...

Signing Huff now would accomplish

(1) An upgrade at Safety like that of Darren Sharper's impact...

(2) A transition plan for the coming seasons when Jenkins' contract will expire...

(3) Some Cap relief, at the very least leverage, in getting Harper's contract at an appropriate level; and Huff should have a market friendly price...

I'm really hoping Nnamdi goes to San Fran and the Saints FO move on Huff...

If Nnamdi comes, I'm down with it, I'm just not buying his jersey or watching his movie/media career...
Keenan Lewis is a nice pickup, but I don't know where you're getting the information that he was the highest performing cornerback. We did get him at a good price, and it's because he still has a significant amount to prove. And mentioning Lewis is not really refuting my position. His salary, though reasonable, is more than Asomugha is going to get. If I'm wrong, then don't expect to see him here.


You brought up players we over paid for. That's cool, I didn't say we never made a bad deal. We had money to give then. The reason I say you can rest assured we will NOT over pay for Nnamdi, is because it is simply impossible right now.

Also, I'm aware that we would get little savings from releasing Greer or Robinson. The only way to save is to somehow find a trade partner. I brought up our safeties because they present the same problem. You're saying we should pursue Huff, but that would mean dealing with the financial burden of getting rid of one of our safeties...

Now don't misunderstand, I would like an upgrade and Huff could be a nice addition. But he is likely gong to command more than the Saints can give. So they're going after other options, and it is in the opinion of the Saints, as well as many of us that Asomugha can be a very good player for us.

We're either going to roll with the safeties we have, and bear with it, or we might draft a guy like Kenny Vaccaro. While Huff might be a nice upgrade, I do strongly disagree that he would give us a Darren Sharper type of impact. He has never been close to that kind of player before.

If you don't want Nnamdi, that's ok. But I'm not really buying into the argument against him.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Re: If the New Orleans Saints sign Nnamdi Asomugha what should they do with Jabari Greer, Patrick Robinson?

Originally Posted by alexonfyre View Post
I think someone may have already said this, and correct me if I'm wrong, but won't we often use Roman Harper as a blitzing safety instead of a fourth linebacker, and put 3 corners and a Jenkins back in coverage? It's still a 3-4 and not our nickel set, which we would also use from time to time, so I get the impression that, if we had all of these guys, we would have 3 corners on the field more often than not.
I say we just play Roman Harper at Strong Safety. He's shown he can play that position well.

Where he shouldn't play is free safety or in a two-deep safety scheme.

Theres a reason Troy Polamalu playes Strong Safety and struggles when he has to play center field or two deep.

So in a nutshell you are correct. Play the square peg as if it was a square peg.
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Re: If the New Orleans Saints sign Nnamdi Asomugha what should they do with Jabari Greer, Patrick Robinson?

For y'all that don't know , an outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense is used pretty much as a strong safety too ! It's for blitzing purposes
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