Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 488368)

Understand ya, feel ya, and I say just look at the singing of Keenan Lewis, highest rated performing cornerback in 2012, and his contract - players are there, younger and available and this is a buyer's market for corners this season...



See Will Smith and Roman Harper Contracts; Jason David in Free Agency; Loomis et al have engaged in some bad contracts...



Keenan Lewis? Very Reasonable contract. Those contracts are available...



There would be no significant cap savings in cutting either Greer (guaranteed contract) nor Robinson (Low rent Rookie contract); the only way there leaving is to free a roster spot, either by release or trade value...



Jenkins has not shown progression nor development as a free safety; I feel he's be best suited as a cornerback or a Strong Safety...

Harper is a liability and is being paid way over his spot in the food chain...

Huff shifted to cornerback for the Raiders and has shown his depth of skills and attitude in doing so...

Signing Huff now would accomplish

(1) An upgrade at Safety like that of Darren Sharper's impact...

(2) A transition plan for the coming seasons when Jenkins' contract will expire...

(3) Some Cap relief, at the very least leverage, in getting Harper's contract at an appropriate level; and Huff should have a market friendly price...

I'm really hoping Nnamdi goes to San Fran and the Saints FO move on Huff...

If Nnamdi comes, I'm down with it, I'm just not buying his jersey or watching his movie/media career...

Originally Posted by alexonfyre (Post 488361)

I think someone may have already said this, and correct me if I'm wrong, but won't we often use Roman Harper as a blitzing safety instead of a fourth linebacker, and put 3 corners and a Jenkins back in coverage? It's still a 3-4 and not our nickel set, which we would also use from time to time, so I get the impression that, if we had all of these guys, we would have 3 corners on the field more often than not.

Originally Posted by alexonfyre (Post 488358)

This statement is patently false.[/url]

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 488381)

Keenan Lewis is a nice pickup, but I don't know where you're getting the information that he was the highest performing cornerback.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 488381)

You brought up players we over paid for. That's cool, I didn't say we never made a bad deal. We had money to give then. The reason I say you can rest assured we will NOT over pay for Nnamdi, is because it is simply impossible right now.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 488381)

Also, I'm aware that we would get little savings from releasing Greer or Robinson. The only way to save is to somehow find a trade partner.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 488381)

I brought up our safeties because they present the same problem. You're saying we should pursue Huff, but that would mean dealing with the financial burden of getting rid of one of our safeties...

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 488381)

Now don't misunderstand, I would like an upgrade and Huff could be a nice addition. But he is likely gong to command more than the Saints can give.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 488381)

We're either going to roll with the safeties we have, and bear with it...

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 488381)

While Huff might be a nice upgrade, I do strongly disagree that he would give us a Darren Sharper type of impact. He has never been close to that kind of player before.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 488381)

If you don't want Nnamdi, that's ok. But I'm not really buying into the argument against him.

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 488695)

“Nnamdi Asomugha ate lunch in his car during practices instead of eating with his teammates last season, WIP Radio in Philadelphia reported Tuesday. WIP Radio’s Hollis Thomas, who played for the Eagles from 1996 to 2005, reported the information, citing unnamed sources, who told Thomas that Asomugha chose to eat in his car in order to secure some “me time” during the season.”

Philly fingers start to point at Asomugha | ProFootballTalk

Eagles' Nnamdi Asomugha questions defensive coordinator's decision-making in loss | NJ.com

Asomugha Blames Timezone > “Here, things aren’t as familiar,” Asomugha said, via CSN Bay Area. “The biggest reason is because when I got here, we went straight into football. I didn’t get here in March, so I didn’t have months to get acclimated. It’s the end of September and I’m still getting acclimated to the area and just using my down time to familiarize myself with the East Coast and with football out here.”

Philadelphia Eagles: Nnamdi Asomugha reflects on the team’s defensive performance - The Times Herald



NFL Stats, factor in Passes Defensed, Passes Deflected, QB Rating v. Throws to CB coverage, QB Yds/Completion v. CB Coverage, Tackles; the only category that he lacked in was interceptions, but this was his first season where he was a starter...



Burn, look how much money has been rolled forward or converted to sign players when we were over the salary cap - I just don't won't to borrow money for a lemon that, if it doesn't run, we won't even have the money to fix it...



We would save by meeting a need (i.e. DE, OLB, LT) and sending on of those players in trade compensation...



There'd be little in savings (rookie contract) for Jenkins, who I feel is miscast as Free Safety and would be a better Cornerback or Strong Safety; I'd prefer to keep him...

Now Harper, if released, would result in a total of ~3.5mil (1.75 per year) in dead cap money over the next two years, that is significant dead money, but it is also significant available money to sign another player...



Bring him in and ask him; show interest...



New Orleans Saints set record: Worst defense in NFL history - Las Vegas Sports | Examiner.com



Huff actually shifted to cornerback as the Raiders suffered injuries early on and transitioned into a very good cornerback; That selflessness jumps out at me. That and the fact that as a Safety, he can acutally cover someone, which is the primary nature of a Safety, Defensive Back in today's game.



It's all good brother...

In my vocation, when I have call-outs in my business and I have to wait in the office for customers, all hours of the day/night -I pass and enjoy time with discussion about sports...

And with the Saints, who like all of us are passionate - have seen this story before and I'm cautious of signing Asomugha, coming out of a damaged goods situation by some of his reactions when faced with adversity...

I just cited some sources so others can understand my position on signing Asomugha when I believe we should think out of the box and look at other options...

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 488722)

Well, first, you made my point by saying we wouldn't save much by letting Jenkins go. That was precisely my point, JP. you want us to go after Huff, but we would have to get rid of someone. I don't think Jenkins will ever move back to corner, unless it's as a nickelback, maybe. But even if he does move back there, then we surely have to cut one of our corners. Personally, I think one of either Greer or Robinson is going to go if we sign Asomugha, and I'm ok with that. But since you're main concern is how do we deal with these contracts, I'm simply telling you that it's going to be an issue no matter what.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 488722)

I'm fine with getting Huff, if it came down to that, but he's no Darren Sharper in my opinion. I'm not arguing with you that he's better than what we have. I still maintain that we can't afford him. You're telling me that they should bring him in and ask him, but I feel very confident that the Saints have contacted his agent by now, and they probably already know what he's asking for.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 488722)

I don't know why you gave me an article about how bad our defense was. I know this. I said we either roll with the safeties we have (meaning it might be financially necessary) or we might draft a safety. We have a lot of holes to fill on defense, and unfortunately it's not all going to be fixed at once.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 488722)

You somewhat repeated my point when you said we could save by acquiring a need in sending one of our corners as compensation. I agree with this, and that's why I said the only way to save is to find a trade partner. But who is going to give us anything more than maybe a late round pick for these vastly under performing players?

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 488722)

This is why I say the Saints can't overpay for anyone they sign right now. Because we're going to be eating some dead money as it is, and we can't simply continue to backload contracts. We've done that before, as you've mentioned, and look where it has put us.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 488722)

The last thing I want to say is that I don't read much into tabloid-style information about Nnamdi not eating with his teammates. Maybe he felt like the others didn't care enough on the field and he just didn't want to be around them? Or maybe, he just likes to eat alone perhaps? I can't believe anyone would buy into that story as being important. And with Hollis Thomas (who never played with him) citing unnamed sources, there isn't much reason to even believe the story is true.

We'll see what happens, though.

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 489020)

The more troubling article I'd call to your attention was him blasting his defensive coordinator in the newspaper; it's been suggested in discussions here that that's why Johnny Patrick is gone...

Would we want to bring in someone who's a history of the same thing...

Don't want a player crying in the newspapers and a cited a source showing that very thing in a mainstream Philadelphia publication is not a good thing...

Originally Posted by NuNu318 (Post 489033)

I get what you're saying but that has to be the only time I've ever heard him publicly call out a coach. And for that I don't blame him....the guy had a DC that had done no defensive coaching ever in his career and wasn't putting him or anyone else on that defense in a position to do well. Pretty sure I can forgive that. He never said anything of the sort in Oakland. And you're dealing with Philly media now....they make mountains out of mole hills.