Nnamdi Asomugha (All in one)

jeanpierre · 03-23-2013, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Boutte

I think if you want instant impact a proven, effective pass rusher is the answer.

Hear! Hear!

Originally Posted by Joker

OMG, I can't believe some people still want to see an aging CB in a Saints uniform. The Saint's will be better off spending the money on the D Line and a OLB who can generate some pass rush, if this happens our current CB will look to be all pro.
If its gotten overlooked still need a LT way more than we need Nnamdi A.. Let him go back to California and get over paid for his services, seems like we have enough of that already with Will Smith and Johnathon Vilma regardless if they restructured their contracts.

Well Posted!

Originally Posted by Danno

Brees spoke thru the media both during his contract negotiations and the CBA negotiations.

Ya'll still want Brees?

Totally different context, Nnamdi's negative criticism was football Brees was contract/business; and criticizing staff, football game-planning in-season is just plain awful, it it habitual, probably not, but I don't think he's worth the risk...

Originally Posted by TheOak

Raise your hand if you already have Nnamdi wallpaper.

LOL

Originally Posted by xan

Wall or toilet?

CLOL

Originally Posted by frydaddy

On further review, I wish I had not broken character after all. Caught me on a rough morning, but we all have em, so I apologize.

I still think you're wrong about him though. I understand you got to see the worst of him and all, but my argument remains the same. Wrong guy in the wrong scheme.

We may disagree, but we're all friends and Saints Fans; I've gotten under people's skin, but it's not personal, though I don't back down when someone has crossed a line...

Now onto your point - not trying to see the worst, but I'm weighing risk/reward vs available cap room and I don't think he's the best direction for the team...

nycsaintfan · 03-23-2013, 07:14 PM

The more and more I read about Asomugha the more I hope we don't sign him. I think he can still be a productive player in the league. But, we still need to generate a pass rush for our defensive backs to be successful. With a diminishing skill set I'm not sure Nnamdi is what our team needs at this point. He might be in a better position to be productive with the 49er defense considering they have been in the 34 for about three years now, and their front seven can really put pressure on the quarterback, really hiding some of the declining skills that Asomugha possess.

Lets face it, although we played variations of the 34 under Greg Williams, it takes a team a few years to really get accustomed to a new formation. We still have the same personnel that has struggled to produce a respectable pass rush the past few years. Every dollar counts this off-season, why spend it on a player in decline who won't get the help necessary from the front seven... or the back two (Jenkins/ Harper).

Also remember this, just because Asomugha had success with Ryan in the past does not mean we are going to get the same type of player, tomorrow.

nycsaintfan · 03-23-2013, 07:18 PM

I just posted this in another thread. But thought it fit here as well...

The more and more I read about Asomugha the more I hope we don't sign him. I think he can still be a productive player in the league. But, we still need to generate a pass rush for our defensive backs to be successful. With a diminishing skill set I'm not sure Nnamdi is what our team needs at this point. He might be in a better position to be productive with the 49er defense considering they have been in the 34 for about three years now, and their front seven can really put pressure on the quarterback, really hiding some of the declining skills that Asomugha possess.

Lets face it, although we played variations of the 34 under Greg Williams, it takes a team a few years to really get accustomed to a new formation. We still have the same personnel that has struggled to produce a respectable pass rush the past few years. Every dollar counts this off-season, why spend it on a player in decline who won't get the help necessary from the front seven... or the back two (Jenkins/ Harper).

Also remember this, just because Asomugha had success with Ryan in the past does not mean we are going to get the same type of player, tomorrow.

jeanpierre · 03-23-2013, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by nycsaintfan

I just posted this in another thread. But thought it fit here as well...

The more and more I read about Asomugha the more I hope we don't sign him. I think he can still be a productive player in the league. But, we still need to generate a pass rush for our defensive backs to be successful. With a diminishing skill set I'm not sure Nnamdi is what our team needs at this point. He might be in a better position to be productive with the 49er defense considering they have been in the 34 for about three years now, and their front seven can really put pressure on the quarterback, really hiding some of the declining skills that Asomugha possess.

Lets face it, although we played variations of the 34 under Greg Williams, it takes a team a few years to really get accustomed to a new formation. We still have the same personnel that has struggled to produce a respectable pass rush the past few years. Every dollar counts this off-season, why spend it on a player in decline who won't get the help necessary from the front seven... or the back two (Jenkins/ Harper).

Also remember this, just because Asomugha had success with Ryan in the past does not mean we are going to get the same type of player, tomorrow.

This is a great post, but we're not going to find a pass rush this late in the game...

FinSaint · 03-23-2013, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by nycsaintfan

Also remember this, just because Asomugha had success with Ryan in the past does not mean we are going to get the same type of player, tomorrow.

Well that same truism can be applied to your other points as well, and we can't know if Asomugha would still be a Pro Bowler under Ryan going forward - unlikely for certain but not impossible.

You pointed out that it takes defenses a few years to get accustomed to a new formation, but that's not always the case either. Wade Phillips was successful in implementing his 3-4 defense in Houston immediately, and if I'm not mistaken the Texans ran a predominantly base 4-3 before that under Frank Bush. Under Bush, the Texans' defense finished 3rd worst in total defense in 2010, but just a year removed they finished in top 4 of all the major defensive categories under Phillips. So, a quick change can happen and a bad defense can turn into a good one in just a year if everything falls into place - of course the opposite is possible as well, which could happen to the 49ers defense.

D_it_up · 03-23-2013, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by nycsaintfan

Lets face it, although we played variations of the 34 under Greg Williams, it takes a team a few years to really get accustomed to a new formation. We still have the same personnel that has struggled to produce a respectable pass rush the past few years. Every dollar counts this off-season, why spend it on a player in decline who won't get the help necessary from the front seven... or the back two (Jenkins/ Harper).

But our defense was better under those variations, because most of this personnel is better suited for a 3-4 defense anyway. There is a very good foundation for the Saints in making the switch. You could very well see players like Wilson, Galette, Hicks, Bunkley, Harper and Jordan play lights out in a 3-4, because that is what seems to play to their skill sets better. Picking up another pass rushing linebacker or defensive lineman in free agency or the draft just deepens the talent pool on the roster and could make our secondary look a lot better. It doesn't necessarily take three years for a team to pick up a system if that is what they are built to play. It didn't work with Spags, because his complex 4-3 zone system didn't play to the Saints strengths on defense. Under Gregg Williams, there was a lot more man-to-man coverage and heavy blitzing. It was ultimately successful, especially in the Super Bowl year, because of their ability to force turnovers and at least get in the faces of opposing quarterbacks. I would expect to see a lot of the same under Rob Ryan. I think this defense has a chance to be greatly improved this year, and not just slightly improved. There is really nowhere to go but up, but I do expect to see a lot more sacks and forced turnovers this year. I'm actually excited about seeing this defense on the field next year.

I'd also like to add that if it takes the Saints defense three years to pick up the system, then Rob Ryan will probably be without a job in New Orleans.

tiger_bait · 03-23-2013, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by brian504

Its simple my fellow Saints front office workers...SIGN HIM!!! dont let the niners beef up! Pay him or play him.u do the math. Who Dat like u already knew dat!

judging on his last few years i would much rather play him....

nycsaintfan · 03-23-2013, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Well that same truism can be applied to your other points as well, and we can't know if Asomugha would still be a Pro Bowler under Ryan going forward - unlikely for certain but not impossible.

You pointed out that it takes defenses a few years to get accustomed to a new formation, but that's not always the case either. Wade Phillips was successful in implementing his 3-4 defense in Houston immediately, and if I'm not mistaken the Texans ran a predominantly base 4-3 before that under Frank Bush. Under Bush, the Texans' defense finished 3rd worst in total defense in 2010, but just a year removed they finished in top 4 of all the major defensive categories under Phillips. So, a quick change can happen and a bad defense can turn into a good one in just a year if everything falls into place - of course the opposite is possible as well, which could happen to the 49ers defense.

Your right about the Texans. They did make a quick transformation into the 34, so it can be done. I think it also depends on what type of personnel you have and who fits into your new scheme. If I'm correct Houston had some young players that fit into what Phillips was implementing. I guess that is my concern when looking at our personnel. In order for us to make the transformation we are going to need more production out of our front seven. Honestly, I'm not confident in Bunkley, Johnson or Hicks playing over center as a NT in the 34. I think Will Smith can still contribute as a starting de, even in a 34. He can still play the run pretty well, but would still be considered a bit smallish as a 34 de. We've always seem to struggle against the run, but we will be over matched physically with our personnel as it stands. I think we have all beaten the dead horse when it comes to Harper and his ability to cover out of the secondary. Jenkins shows flashes, but still is inconsistent and is not the ball hawk that I thought he would be playing the free. Obviously we need the upgrade at outside linebacker to really make this thing successful.

I guess going back to my original point... I would prefer us to go out and really sure up areas on this defense that will make our existing personnel in the secondary better. This is a enough of a challenge financially because it seems like we don't have the available cap space to really upgrade where its really needed.

triman · 03-23-2013, 09:21 PM

Sharper was a declning former Pro. Bowler that worked out okay. Nnamdi is a player that. could make a difference. He really is not under any pressure to decide. We'll. see how it turns out.I for one hope he picks us.We aren't really taking mu h of a risk. The reward could be huge.

|Mitch| · 03-23-2013, 09:27 PM

I think he picks the team that will offer him the biggest contract...

03-23-2013, 07:09 PM	#501
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha Originally Posted by Boutte I think if you want instant impact a proven, effective pass rusher is the answer. Hear! Hear! Originally Posted by Joker OMG, I can't believe some people still want to see an aging CB in a Saints uniform. The Saint's will be better off spending the money on the D Line and a OLB who can generate some pass rush, if this happens our current CB will look to be all pro. If its gotten overlooked still need a LT way more than we need Nnamdi A.. Let him go back to California and get over paid for his services, seems like we have enough of that already with Will Smith and Johnathon Vilma regardless if they restructured their contracts. Well Posted! Originally Posted by Danno Brees spoke thru the media both during his contract negotiations and the CBA negotiations. Ya'll still want Brees? Totally different context, Nnamdi's negative criticism was football Brees was contract/business; and criticizing staff, football game-planning in-season is just plain awful, it it habitual, probably not, but I don't think he's worth the risk... Originally Posted by TheOak Raise your hand if you already have Nnamdi wallpaper. LOL Originally Posted by xan Wall or toilet? CLOL Originally Posted by frydaddy On further review, I wish I had not broken character after all. Caught me on a rough morning, but we all have em, so I apologize. I still think you're wrong about him though. I understand you got to see the worst of him and all, but my argument remains the same. Wrong guy in the wrong scheme. We may disagree, but we're all friends and Saints Fans; I've gotten under people's skin, but it's not personal, though I don't back down when someone has crossed a line... Now onto your point - not trying to see the worst, but I'm weighing risk/reward vs available cap room and I don't think he's the best direction for the team...
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03-23-2013, 07:14 PM	#502
nycsaintfan 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 165	Re: Nnamdi is still looking at Niners, Saints The more and more I read about Asomugha the more I hope we don't sign him. I think he can still be a productive player in the league. But, we still need to generate a pass rush for our defensive backs to be successful. With a diminishing skill set I'm not sure Nnamdi is what our team needs at this point. He might be in a better position to be productive with the 49er defense considering they have been in the 34 for about three years now, and their front seven can really put pressure on the quarterback, really hiding some of the declining skills that Asomugha possess. Lets face it, although we played variations of the 34 under Greg Williams, it takes a team a few years to really get accustomed to a new formation. We still have the same personnel that has struggled to produce a respectable pass rush the past few years. Every dollar counts this off-season, why spend it on a player in decline who won't get the help necessary from the front seven... or the back two (Jenkins/ Harper). Also remember this, just because Asomugha had success with Ryan in the past does not mean we are going to get the same type of player, tomorrow.
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03-23-2013, 07:18 PM	#503
nycsaintfan 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 165	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha I just posted this in another thread. But thought it fit here as well... The more and more I read about Asomugha the more I hope we don't sign him. I think he can still be a productive player in the league. But, we still need to generate a pass rush for our defensive backs to be successful. With a diminishing skill set I'm not sure Nnamdi is what our team needs at this point. He might be in a better position to be productive with the 49er defense considering they have been in the 34 for about three years now, and their front seven can really put pressure on the quarterback, really hiding some of the declining skills that Asomugha possess. Lets face it, although we played variations of the 34 under Greg Williams, it takes a team a few years to really get accustomed to a new formation. We still have the same personnel that has struggled to produce a respectable pass rush the past few years. Every dollar counts this off-season, why spend it on a player in decline who won't get the help necessary from the front seven... or the back two (Jenkins/ Harper). Also remember this, just because Asomugha had success with Ryan in the past does not mean we are going to get the same type of player, tomorrow.
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03-23-2013, 08:01 PM	#504
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha Originally Posted by nycsaintfan I just posted this in another thread. But thought it fit here as well... The more and more I read about Asomugha the more I hope we don't sign him. I think he can still be a productive player in the league. But, we still need to generate a pass rush for our defensive backs to be successful. With a diminishing skill set I'm not sure Nnamdi is what our team needs at this point. He might be in a better position to be productive with the 49er defense considering they have been in the 34 for about three years now, and their front seven can really put pressure on the quarterback, really hiding some of the declining skills that Asomugha possess. Lets face it, although we played variations of the 34 under Greg Williams, it takes a team a few years to really get accustomed to a new formation. We still have the same personnel that has struggled to produce a respectable pass rush the past few years. Every dollar counts this off-season, why spend it on a player in decline who won't get the help necessary from the front seven... or the back two (Jenkins/ Harper). Also remember this, just because Asomugha had success with Ryan in the past does not mean we are going to get the same type of player, tomorrow. This is a great post, but we're not going to find a pass rush this late in the game...

03-23-2013, 08:06 PM	#505
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha Originally Posted by nycsaintfan Also remember this, just because Asomugha had success with Ryan in the past does not mean we are going to get the same type of player, tomorrow. Well that same truism can be applied to your other points as well, and we can't know if Asomugha would still be a Pro Bowler under Ryan going forward - unlikely for certain but not impossible. You pointed out that it takes defenses a few years to get accustomed to a new formation, but that's not always the case either. Wade Phillips was successful in implementing his 3-4 defense in Houston immediately, and if I'm not mistaken the Texans ran a predominantly base 4-3 before that under Frank Bush. Under Bush, the Texans' defense finished 3rd worst in total defense in 2010, but just a year removed they finished in top 4 of all the major defensive categories under Phillips. So, a quick change can happen and a bad defense can turn into a good one in just a year if everything falls into place - of course the opposite is possible as well, which could happen to the 49ers defense.
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03-23-2013, 08:43 PM	#506
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Nnamdi is still looking at Niners, Saints Originally Posted by nycsaintfan Lets face it, although we played variations of the 34 under Greg Williams, it takes a team a few years to really get accustomed to a new formation. We still have the same personnel that has struggled to produce a respectable pass rush the past few years. Every dollar counts this off-season, why spend it on a player in decline who won't get the help necessary from the front seven... or the back two (Jenkins/ Harper). But our defense was better under those variations, because most of this personnel is better suited for a 3-4 defense anyway. There is a very good foundation for the Saints in making the switch. You could very well see players like Wilson, Galette, Hicks, Bunkley, Harper and Jordan play lights out in a 3-4, because that is what seems to play to their skill sets better. Picking up another pass rushing linebacker or defensive lineman in free agency or the draft just deepens the talent pool on the roster and could make our secondary look a lot better. It doesn't necessarily take three years for a team to pick up a system if that is what they are built to play. It didn't work with Spags, because his complex 4-3 zone system didn't play to the Saints strengths on defense. Under Gregg Williams, there was a lot more man-to-man coverage and heavy blitzing. It was ultimately successful, especially in the Super Bowl year, because of their ability to force turnovers and at least get in the faces of opposing quarterbacks. I would expect to see a lot of the same under Rob Ryan. I think this defense has a chance to be greatly improved this year, and not just slightly improved. There is really nowhere to go but up, but I do expect to see a lot more sacks and forced turnovers this year. I'm actually excited about seeing this defense on the field next year. I'd also like to add that if it takes the Saints defense three years to pick up the system, then Rob Ryan will probably be without a job in New Orleans.
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03-23-2013, 09:06 PM	#507
tiger_bait Registered Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 51	Re: Nnamdi is still looking at Niners, Saints Originally Posted by brian504 Its simple my fellow Saints front office workers...SIGN HIM!!! dont let the niners beef up! Pay him or play him.u do the math. Who Dat like u already knew dat! judging on his last few years i would much rather play him....
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03-23-2013, 09:16 PM	#508
nycsaintfan 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 165	Re: New Orleans Saints Better Off Not Signing Nnamdi Asomugha Originally Posted by FinSaint Well that same truism can be applied to your other points as well, and we can't know if Asomugha would still be a Pro Bowler under Ryan going forward - unlikely for certain but not impossible. You pointed out that it takes defenses a few years to get accustomed to a new formation, but that's not always the case either. Wade Phillips was successful in implementing his 3-4 defense in Houston immediately, and if I'm not mistaken the Texans ran a predominantly base 4-3 before that under Frank Bush. Under Bush, the Texans' defense finished 3rd worst in total defense in 2010, but just a year removed they finished in top 4 of all the major defensive categories under Phillips. So, a quick change can happen and a bad defense can turn into a good one in just a year if everything falls into place - of course the opposite is possible as well, which could happen to the 49ers defense. Your right about the Texans. They did make a quick transformation into the 34, so it can be done. I think it also depends on what type of personnel you have and who fits into your new scheme. If I'm correct Houston had some young players that fit into what Phillips was implementing. I guess that is my concern when looking at our personnel. In order for us to make the transformation we are going to need more production out of our front seven. Honestly, I'm not confident in Bunkley, Johnson or Hicks playing over center as a NT in the 34. I think Will Smith can still contribute as a starting de, even in a 34. He can still play the run pretty well, but would still be considered a bit smallish as a 34 de. We've always seem to struggle against the run, but we will be over matched physically with our personnel as it stands. I think we have all beaten the dead horse when it comes to Harper and his ability to cover out of the secondary. Jenkins shows flashes, but still is inconsistent and is not the ball hawk that I thought he would be playing the free. Obviously we need the upgrade at outside linebacker to really make this thing successful. I guess going back to my original point... I would prefer us to go out and really sure up areas on this defense that will make our existing personnel in the secondary better. This is a enough of a challenge financially because it seems like we don't have the available cap space to really upgrade where its really needed.
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03-23-2013, 09:21 PM	#509
triman 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 783	Re: Nnamdi is still looking at Niners, Saints Sharper was a declning former Pro. Bowler that worked out okay. Nnamdi is a player that. could make a difference. He really is not under any pressure to decide. We'll. see how it turns out.I for one hope he picks us.We aren't really taking mu h of a risk. The reward could be huge.
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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Nnamdi is still looking at Niners, Saints I think he picks the team that will offer him the biggest contract...

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