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ClintSaints 04-06-2013 10:18 AM

Re: New Orleans Saints Rumors: Team Targeting Mike Jenkins
 
This is so weird. I had a dream about this last night and now it's happening. Bizarre.

ClintSaints 04-06-2013 10:59 AM

Re: New Orleans Saints Rumors: Team Targeting Mike Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by nycsaintfan (Post 492450)
I guess the most frustrating part to this is he is a very good safety inside the box, and for arguments sake is one of the teams best tacklers and pass rushers.

Pass coverage is just something he does not excel in.

Catching balls that are thrown straight at him is definitely a problem, I agree. lol.

K Major 04-06-2013 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Luda34 (Post 492437)
I was a fan of Mike Jenkins when came out of college but the years in Dallas wasn't good to him and then he would come to a team were he's playing for the same coach I don't know if it's a good fit. I'll pass

I watched Jenkins a bit over the years in Dallas and he simply lacks focus at times & has poor technique at tackling. He along with Orlando Scandrick were regulated to nickle packages and when they were in the lineup, opposing teams kept many drives alive on 3rd and long. I don't see where this guy would be an improvement over Greer and definitely not Kennan Lewis.

Pass on Jenkins.

NuNu318 04-06-2013 02:05 PM

Re: New Orleans Saints Rumors: Team Targeting Mike Jenkins
 
Just a question why are we putting any stock on any Rumors or reports coming from rantsports.com? What source do they have? Every article they've put has been mainly opinion and....no actual sources whatsoever....


As far as Jenkins is concerned.....dude is luck to even have his shoulder still in his socket. Dude cant and wont stay healthy.

nycsaintfan 04-06-2013 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 492467)
Harper is arguably above average in pass coverage when it comes to flats, which is what his type of a SS is expected to be - he is not a FS or a CB.

At no point did I say he was a free safety or corner. I agree, he does play the flats well. Moving laterally from the line of scrimmage to the flats and out, I think Harper is very good in pass coverage. But once he moves out of that zone he becomes a liability.

FinSaint 04-06-2013 05:21 PM

Re: New Orleans Saints Rumors: Team Targeting Mike Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by nycsaintfan (Post 492531)
At no point did I say he was a free safety or corner. I agree, he does play the flats well. Moving laterally from the line of scrimmage to the flats and out, I think Harper is very good in pass coverage. But once he moves out of that zone he becomes a liability.


Yeah, I didn't mean to say that you were implying that he was a FS or a CB, just that his pass coverage skills should be evaluated as those of an in-the-box SS, not of a FS or a CB.

While that does make him a liability when it comes to dropping back into coverage, I find it hard to be really harsh on him because of that since you wouldn't expect a DT to drop back to cover a TE. I know that may not be the best comparison, but I think it still gets the point across that certain positions can't be expected to cover for other positions' lapses or mistakes in defensive playcalling.

An in-the-box SS is somewhat limited in his role when it comes to pass defense, but if the defensive scheme calls for a player of that type, then I do think they earn their keep quite nicely - as Harper has in the past.

nycsaintfan 04-06-2013 09:27 PM

Re: New Orleans Saints Rumors: Team Targeting Mike Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 492549)
Yeah, I didn't mean to say that you were implying that he was a FS or a CB, just that his pass coverage skills should be evaluated as those of an in-the-box SS, not of a FS or a CB.

While that does make him a liability when it comes to dropping back into coverage, I find it hard to be really harsh on him because of that since you wouldn't expect a DT to drop back to cover a TE. I know that may not be the best comparison, but I think it still gets the point across that certain positions can't be expected to cover for other positions' lapses or mistakes in defensive playcalling.

An in-the-box SS is somewhat limited in his role when it comes to pass defense, but if the defensive scheme calls for a player of that type, then I do think they earn their keep quite nicely - as Harper has in the past.

Fin, either way I think we are on the same page with this. Yes, I do think the Saints need to upgrade the safeties in the secondary. Honestly, we could be much worse off. Harper has his deficiencies but he is experienced and we have won a lot of games with him as our starting strong safety. So with all of that said, I don't want to see the Saints just release him WITHOUT a strong back up plan. He is not great in coverage. But with the new defensive system at least I know we are playing to his strengths. Aggressive play and blitzing the quarterback.

Again, I might be one of the few here who thinks he will be a June 1st cut... but if I am right, then I hope we have a very good back up plan.

|Mitch| 04-07-2013 01:59 AM

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I can't see Harper being a June 1st casualty, he is too valuable in running situations.

What I do see is Quaddus/Bush getting some playing time in passing situations...

lee909 04-07-2013 02:12 AM

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Saints need a CB + Former Cowboys DC now Saints DC +Former Cowboys CB a FA = 9875653258

Get somebody out the draft,cheaper and most likely better

Rugby Saint II 04-07-2013 01:12 PM

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Where's Mack? I thought he was one of our better corners last year. Sign him up.


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