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papz 06-10-2013 04:27 PM

Patriots sign Tim Tebow
 
Patriots signed QB Tim Tebow, formerly of the Jets.

To clear roster space, they waived Mike Kafka, paving the way for Tebow to win New England's third-string quarterback job behind Tom Brady and Ryan Mallett. Tebow will be at Patriots minicamp on Tuesday. The connection is obvious; OC Josh McDaniels traded up for Tebow at the 25th overall pick while running the Broncos' football operations in 2010. We're assuming Tebow will primarily play quarterback, but he could also be tried at H-back or tight end while Rob Gronkowski (arm, back) rehabs. Of course, we won't hold our breath for McDaniels and Bill Belichick to reveal their specific plans.

Source: Ed Werder on Twitter

|Mitch| 06-10-2013 05:38 PM

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I'm glad to see him get another chance, I for one liked the kid...

skymike 06-10-2013 05:40 PM

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somebody owes me some beer.

Danno 06-10-2013 05:44 PM

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The Pats? I never would have guessed that one.

I'm glad for him too. Great kid.

skymike 06-10-2013 05:55 PM

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You know, Im a fan of Tebow, but I was starting to believe his
detractors. But if the PATRIOTS got him, there must be something
to him.

papz 06-10-2013 05:59 PM

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I think he can be a productive H-back in a creative system.

saintfan 06-10-2013 05:59 PM

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http://cdn2.tauntr.com/sites/default...ebow-Frame.jpg

AllSaints 06-10-2013 06:18 PM

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He is gunna take GRONK spot !! !

SloMotion 06-10-2013 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by skymike (Post 507401)
You know, Im a fan of Tebow, but I was starting to believe his
detractors. But if the PATRIOTS got him, there must be something
to him.

Well, no one questioned his athletic ability, just his ability to be an NFL quarterback. Just heard about this on sportstalk & they said something about Belichek possibly converting him to tight-end. Very possible, IMO. Why would he agree to play anything other then QB in Denver or NY? Now he's on one of the premier teams in the league and he'll buy into whatever Belichek wants him to do "for the team".

I think it's a good move on NE's part. Tebow is an athlete and a team player, they'll find a way for him to make a contribution.

SloMotion 06-10-2013 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 507403)

:lol: ... that's just wrong, SF, :lol:.

vpheughan 06-10-2013 06:26 PM

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They play the J E T S Jets,Jets,Jets!!! Twice!!! Belichick has a sadistic streak, forget BountyGate? Yeah Right!!! He'll stuff Tebow down that organization's throat!!

SloMotion 06-10-2013 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 507411)
They play the J E T S Jets,Jets,Jets!!! Twice!!! Belichick has a sadistic streak, forget BountyGate? Yeah Right!!! He'll stuff Tebow down that organization's throat!!

You know what? You're right! Oh man, I betcha' Belichik is working out a plan to have Tebow taking snaps in both those games, :lol:.

MaggieMayTB 06-10-2013 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 507411)
They play the J E T S Jets,Jets,Jets!!! Twice!!! Belichick has a sadistic streak, forget BountyGate? Yeah Right!!! He'll stuff Tebow down that organization's throat!!

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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 507417)
You know what? You're right! Oh man, I betcha' Belichik is working out a plan to have Tebow taking snaps in both those games, :lol:.

The only obvious plays for Tebow are Flea Flicker, Direct Snap to Tebow, Brady hands the ball off to Tebow, Tebow goes in motion lines up the slot and runs a route Brady throws to Tebow. Tebow lines up in the slot Brady laterals to Tebow. Tebow throws downfield.

TheOak 06-10-2013 08:38 PM

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The Patriots signed Ocho-cinco a few years ago also....... Addai didn't make it past the conditioning test. Joey Galloway was gone before the Pats picked him up..... They pick up cheap people... Not always people in their prime or that work out.

Anyway

Tim must have had a change of heart, I've always heard he refused to play anything but QB. He won't be playing QB in NE. He is an athlete but I still do not see where he is big enough to take on a line backer, fast enough or strong enough to get separation as a TE. I think Tim's problem in the NFL is that he is so well rounded he doesn't actually excel at anything.

foreverfan 06-10-2013 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 507403)

Now I've seen everything. :lolup:

Crusader 06-11-2013 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 507439)
Tim must have had a change of heart, I've always heard he refused to play anything but QB. He won't be playing QB in NE. He is an athlete but I still do not see where he is big enough to take on a line backer, fast enough or strong enough to get separation as a TE. I think Tim's problem in the NFL is that he is so well rounded he doesn't actually excel at anything.

He is listed at 6 ft 3 in and 236lbs, while that doesn't make him huge it is still enough to be effective and if he would play TE he has room to put on another 15-20. He clocked in at 4.71 before he was drafted but we all know how much 40 times matter. The kid can play football, there is no doubt about it.

SloMotion 06-11-2013 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieMayTB (Post 507429)
The only obvious plays for Tebow are Flea Flicker, Direct Snap to Tebow, Brady hands the ball off to Tebow, Tebow goes in motion lines up the slot and runs a route Brady throws to Tebow. Tebow lines up in the slot Brady laterals to Tebow. Tebow throws downfield.

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 507439)
The Patriots signed Ocho-cinco a few years ago also....... Addai didn't make it past the conditioning test. Joey Galloway was gone before the Pats picked him up..... They pick up cheap people... Not always people in their prime or that work out.

Anyway

Tim must have had a change of heart, I've always heard he refused to play anything but QB. He won't be playing QB in NE. He is an athlete but I still do not see where he is big enough to take on a line backer, fast enough or strong enough to get separation as a TE. I think Tim's problem in the NFL is that he is so well rounded he doesn't actually excel at anything.

Good points all, I tend to agree and still remain a little skeptical of Tebow ... but ... if there's one team/coach in the league that could make it work, it would have to be New England. They have the time & the resources to find a way to use/develop his talents.

They don't need him at QB, but he could apprentice under Brady/Mallet and maybe develop into an NFL caliber quarterback. Belichick is creative, Tebow is young. It would take an organization like NE with a H/C like Belichick to finally convince Tebow that if he wants an NFL career, he's going to have to be a little more flexible on what position he plays.

Tebow is a "team-guy" and landing a roster spot on a perennial contender that doesn't need him to be the 'man' or trot him out there for ticket sales might just be the remedy for all his NFL woes.

I gotta' think if he wound up on any other team in the NFL it'd still be 'Tebow-mania', but with the Pats he just might have a legitimate shot at an NFL career ... albeit as a backup QB or at another position.

Stay tuned ... :mrgreen:

Jamessr 06-11-2013 07:23 AM

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heck Sean Payton could have made him productive.
I just don't think I'd want him around with all the extra media attention he brings... we don't need it.
I think the guy will excell in NE. They'll find him a spot and could you imagine in a few years the guy developes an arm?

That organization will look genious! and if it doesn't work out... thanks for trying.

Either way good luck to him

TheOak 06-11-2013 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 507468)
Good points all, I tend to agree and still remain a little skeptical of Tebow ... but ... if there's one team/coach in the league that could make it work, it would have to be New England. They have the time & the resources to find a way to use/develop his talents.

They don't need him at QB, but he could apprentice under Brady/Mallet and maybe develop into an NFL caliber quarterback. Belichick is creative, Tebow is young. It would take an organization like NE with a H/C like Belichick to finally convince Tebow that if he wants an NFL career, he's going to have to be a little more flexible on what position he plays.

Tebow is a "team-guy" and landing a roster spot on a perennial contender that doesn't need him to be the 'man' or trot him out there for ticket sales might just be the remedy for all his NFL woes.

I gotta' think if he wound up on any other team in the NFL it'd still be 'Tebow-mania', but with the Pats he just might have a legitimate shot at an NFL career ... albeit as a backup QB or at another position.

Stay tuned ... :mrgreen:

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 507457)
He is listed at 6 ft 3 in and 236lbs, while that doesn't make him huge it is still enough to be effective and if he would play TE he has room to put on another 15-20. He clocked in at 4.71 before he was drafted but we all know how much 40 times matter. The kid can play football, there is no doubt about it.

Ill take a more grounded approach.

Albert Hanesworth and Chad Johnson have proven that Bill and the patriots are fallible, and I think they may be buying into their own hype a little too much.

The Patriots flops since 2000.
patriots - Dirty Dozen: The 12 worst free agent signings of the Bill Belichick Era - WEEI | Christopher Price

So lets get past the Belichick can do anything with anyone.


Tim Tebow - Extremely athletic, extremely driven, excellent character, very likeable and nice guy...

For me, that is where it ends, there are a lot of very likeable nice guys that are very athletic that just don't cut it in the NFL. He is a possible Jack-of All but a master of none, and the NFL requires some mastership.

QB - Two teams have decided he is not worth a starting or BU QB spot. Actually I could argue a lot more as long as he has been a free agent and no one has picked him up.

H-Back or TE - Athleticism to me does not translate to a guy that has played QB all his life being able to block as an H-Back or has hands to catch as a TE. Sorry it just doesn't prove anything to me.

Another spin is a guy that has played QB for all of his College and NFL career is going to beat out professional players that have played TE and H-Back for years and have proven they are able to play at a professional NFL level? Is Tebow going to beat out Gronk, Hernanadez, Hoomanawanui, Fells? Personally I would not spend the time needed to coach Tim to be able to play those positions because it takes the attention away from proven players that need to get ready for a season.

Saints fans want to keep Henderson because of how valuable he is at blocking but want to say Tebow can just walk on the field and block for the Pats?


This is nothing more than Belichick rolling the dice on a cheap player, hoping something out of the ordinary happens so he can put a feather in his cap. Tim Tebow on the Patriots roster does not increase their chances of winning football games. He really should do as a lot of people have said, go to the CFL.

Jamessr 06-11-2013 07:56 AM

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I heard yesterday forgot who it was on ESPN radio that if you expect tebow to beat out other TE's who's played that posistion for years is a knock on TE's..

I somehwat disagree. How much experince did Jimmy Graham have or Tony Gonzales? They were all basketball players right?

The guy is a solid football player. Given a chance which he'll get a fair one I think he could excell.

TheOak 06-11-2013 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamessr (Post 507488)
I heard yesterday forgot who it was on ESPN radio that if you expect tebow to beat out other TE's who's played that posistion for years is a knock on TE's..

I somehwat disagree. How much experince did Jimmy Graham have or Tony Gonzales? They were all basketball players right?

The guy is a solid football player. Given a chance which he'll get a fair one I think he could excell.


There is quite a bit of difference between Graham/Gonzo and Tebow.

Gonzo - 6'5" 250 lbs 4.4 speed 38" vert 35in arm length
AND Played TE under Marriucci for the Golden Bears. He was all PAC-10 and All American at TE.


Graham - 6'7" 265 lbs 4.5 speed 38 1/2 vert 35 in arms

Both players have either extraordinary talents or attributes.

Tim Tebow - 6'3" 236 lbs 4.7 speed 38 1/2 Vert 31 3/4 arms

They all have the same vert but Tebow misses 3" in height and 4" in arm length.. Stand them all together flat footed and throw a ball over their heads and Tim doesn't even tip the balls Gonzo/Graham catch.

Mardigras9 06-11-2013 08:45 AM

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It's a good move by the Pats, especially with gronk out.

....And Saintfan, that is a hilarious photo.

Jamessr 06-11-2013 09:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 507491)
There is quite a bit of difference between Graham/Gonzo and Tebow.

Gonzo - 6'5" 250 lbs 4.4 speed 38" vert 35in arm length
AND Played TE under Marriucci for the Golden Bears. He was all PAC-10 and All American at TE.


Graham - 6'7" 265 lbs 4.5 speed 38 1/2 vert 35 in arms

Both players have either extraordinary talents or attributes.

Tim Tebow - 6'3" 236 lbs 4.7 speed 38 1/2 Vert 31 3/4 arms

They all have the same vert but Tebow misses 3" in height and 4" in arm length.. Stand them all together flat footed and throw a ball over their heads and Tim doesn't even tip the balls Gonzo/Graham catch.


I get you love to copy and paste stats however my point was experince at the position imo not being a factor IF they decided to put him there.

TheOak 06-11-2013 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamessr (Post 507501)
I get you love to copy and paste stats however my point was experince at the position imo not being a factor IF they decided to put him there.

No copy and paste.

Did you bother to read Gonzo's previous experience at TE?

But hey your right.... I'm sure he will make a wonderful TE. :-/

Jamessr 06-11-2013 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 507502)
No copy and paste.

Did you bother to read Gonzo's previous experience at TE?

But hey your right.... I'm sure he will make a wonderful TE. :-/

I don't know if NE will put him at TE.
I don't even know if he'll make the team. Unlike some people I'm don't pretend to know everthing about football and whats going on in Bill Belichicks mind.
I would imagine they'll try him at QB "like I heard on the radio" then move on from there.

TheOak 06-11-2013 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamessr (Post 507504)
I don't know if NE will put him at TE.
I don't even know if he'll make the team. Unlike some people I'm don't pretend to know everthing about football and whats going on in Bill Belichicks mind.
I would imagine they'll try him at QB "like I heard on the radio" then move on from there.

Unlike Graham at TE, Tebow is a known at QB.


PS- there is a difference between attributes and stats. I gave attributes . ;-)

Jamessr 06-11-2013 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 507505)
Unlike Graham at TE, Tebow is a known at QB.


PS- there is a difference between attributes and stats. I gave attributes . ;-)

meh... with all the stuff you copy and paste its hard for one to keep track

TheOak 06-11-2013 10:34 AM

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Here is a copy paste for you

http://www.bustedtees.com/blowme

papz 06-11-2013 11:09 AM

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Coach Bill Belichick declined Tuesday to comment on what position Tim Tebow will play.

As expected, Belichick revealed no information and gave no insight into the Tebow signing. "What position? We're going to do what's best for the football team," Belichick said. He cut the press conference off on his own after getting fed up with too many Tebow questions. "Tim's a talented player that's smart and works hard. We'll see how it goes." ESPN is reporting that Tebow was signed to play quarterback. CBS' Mike Freeman says he'll be used elsewhere in addition to under center. There are 2014 playing time incentives in Tebow's non-guaranteed contract that are not limited to quarterback snaps.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

And the media circus begins.

papz 06-11-2013 01:49 PM

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SloMotion 06-11-2013 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 507485)
Albert Hanesworth and Chad Johnson have proven that Bill and the patriots are fallible, and I think they may be buying into their own hype a little too much.

Haynesworth and Johnson were past their primes and full-of-themselves. Belichick has more to work with in Tebow, he's young, can be molded and isn't a self-absorbed a$$hole like the other two. He'll take instruction.

15 Division championships, 7 Conference championships, 3 Super Bowls, 19 playoff appearances ... it isn't hype, they're the real deal and a winning organization. If anyone can do anything with Tebow and not be distracted by the baggage he brings along, it would be Belichick and the Patriots. Tebow's not bigger than the team in New England.

Mardigras9 06-11-2013 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 507560)

15 Division championships, 7 Conference championships, 3 Super Bowls, 19 playoff appearances ... it isn't hype, they're the real deal and a winning organization. If anyone can do anything with Tebow and not be distracted by the baggage he brings along, it would be Belichick and the Patriots. Tebow's not bigger than the team in New England.

as bad as that reading that is, it's so true. That about sums it up. Good point Slo-Mo. Tebow not being bigger than team is exactly why he will work there in whatever role he plays.

K Major 06-11-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardigras9 (Post 507575)
as bad as that reading that is, it's so true. That about sums it up. Good point Slo-Mo. Tebow not being bigger than team is exactly why he will work there in whatever role he plays.

And Tebow wants to get better, definitely a team player.

TheOak 06-11-2013 03:33 PM

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Tebow Contract: 2 years, no guarantee, no bonus.

http://tracking.si.com/2013/06/11/ti...teed-patriots/

In my opinion that says a lot.

Choupique 06-11-2013 04:21 PM

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they don't have a prayer.

Choupique 06-11-2013 04:28 PM

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"Tebow's not bigger than the team in New England."

I seem to recall the Saints dominating the Patriots on their way to that super bowl win. We have their number. Teepro doesn't change that reality. They ain't got a prayer with or without that preachy alter boy. As much as he prays, you'd think he'd have a ring already. Guess the success ratio of prayer isn't all that it is cracked up to be.

A yuppie brat won't help the patty cakes. Par for the course, however.

SloMotion 06-12-2013 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 507582)
Tebow Contract: 2 years, no guarantee, no bonus.

Tim Tebow’s contract with Patriots is for two years, nothing*guaranteed | SI Wire

In my opinion that says a lot.

Absolutely right ... they see enough in him to take a chance, but not enough in him to make a commitment. It's make-or-break time for young Tebow.

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Originally Posted by Choupique (Post 507592)
"Tebow's not bigger than the team in New England."

I seem to recall the Saints dominating the Patriots on their way to that super bowl win. We have their number. Teepro doesn't change that reality. They ain't got a prayer with or without that preachy alter boy. As much as he prays, you'd think he'd have a ring already. Guess the success ratio of prayer isn't all that it is cracked up to be.

A yuppie brat won't help the patty cakes. Par for the course, however.

Duly noted and the '09 season/people's religious affiliations aside, the topic of the thread is merely speculation on Tebow's signing with the Pats. Whether or not he'll have an impact on the team, and specifically vs the Saints, remains to be seen and will probably be a good topic for another thread, some day.



<sigh> ... I'm talking about Tim Tebow ... it is truly the "offseason", :lol:.

TheOak 06-12-2013 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 507652)
Absolutely right ... they see enough in him to take a chance, but not enough in him to make a commitment. It's make-or-break time for young Tebow.



Duly noted and the '09 season/people's religious affiliations aside, the topic of the thread is merely speculation on Tebow's signing with the Pats. Whether or not he'll have an impact on the team, and specifically vs the Saints, remains to be seen and will probably be a good topic for another thread, some day.



<sigh> ... I'm talking about Tim Tebow ... it is truly the "offseason", :lol:.

Which is why I take the under. Belichick has found a cheap project, if it fails.... no loss.... If it succeeds well he will be known as the man that did what no other could. The contract tells me even Belichick doesn't have more than a 50/50 expectation if success.

WillSaints81 06-12-2013 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Choupique (Post 507592)
"Tebow's not bigger than the team in New England."

I seem to recall the Saints dominating the Patriots on their way to that super bowl win. We have their number. Teepro doesn't change that reality. They ain't got a prayer with or without that preachy alter boy. As much as he prays, you'd think he'd have a ring already. Guess the success ratio of prayer isn't all that it is cracked up to be.

A yuppie brat won't help the patty cakes. Par for the course, however.


I find it hard to believe you would say this considering you seem to be a fan of a show that has Christian morals.

WillSaints81 06-12-2013 10:29 AM

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This is one of the best signings this week that could happen to me. Just in case we don't go back next year, at least there's a team that can now beat Atlanta. I started feeling that Manning is a puppet by Elway and it would cause him to lose again, even to Atlanta because Gonzo had a bigger reason to win than Manning. Now New England will be the first underdog to unravel Denver. I know this is a wierd way of studying football but its how recent championships are won. The last four, even the saints in 09, have been underdogs. The steelers were the only ones who weren't in the last eight years. Thats because that was the year they chased history that was deserving given their length of playoff relevance.


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