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Old 02-10-2014, 04:20 PM   #11
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What. Ever.

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Old 02-10-2014, 08:34 PM   #12
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Re: Michael Sam comes out, An openly gay player very likely to be drafted

Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
Try reading my post through a more neutral lens.

Unless you are of the mind that sexual orientation effects a persons job performance, it is irrelevant. Sexual orientation is less relevant than race, age, or gender, from a job performance view; and they are pretty damned irrelevant. His being gay is as relevant to the NFL as his coach being hetero..... If he is.... If he isn't, it's still irrelevant.

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In most of society, yes. In the NFL, unfortunately, no.
From the hazing incidents, stories of players baling on teammates they don't like, to homophobic comments (not Vilma; that was ridiculous), we know that the NFL is still an old boys club, filled with bullies and other narrow-minded types. See Richie Incognito for a recent reference.
End of the day, it's a team game, and if your teammates don't support you, you can't be successful.

Sad, but I don't think this guy will survive an NFL locker room. I wish him well, because it is well past time

here is an interesting timeline- openly gay politicians, athletes and entertainers. A lot you will know (H.Milk, Sally Ride), and they date back to the 60's.

List of lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender firsts by year - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, how is it that in 50 years that no active professional athlete has come out? Because they know what the backlash would be.

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Old 02-10-2014, 10:26 PM   #13
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some team will draft him for publicity.

$10 that its either Jets or Falcons.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:23 PM   #14
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For the record, Tim Tebow was the first gay NFL QB.



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Old 02-10-2014, 11:55 PM   #15
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Re: Michael Sam comes out, An openly gay player very likely to be drafted

Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
Try reading my post through a more neutral lens.

Unless you are of the mind that sexual orientation effects a persons job performance, it is irrelevant. Sexual orientation is less relevant than race, age, or gender, from a job performance view; and they are pretty damned irrelevant. His being gay is as relevant to the NFL as his coach being hetero..... If he is.... If he isn't, it's still irrelevant.

That may apply to every other job in every other arena, but not in any NFL, or NBA locker rooms... There's hazing, as we found there's bullying...and you don't have to be anything but different in order to be a victim of it..... This is just as relevant as breaking through barriers for race, religion, or gender...... This transcends sports....... BTW, And I am not trying to argue with you, or lash out against you.... You have a point, and so do I.... that is all....

If you wanna say something, just say it.... Im neutral, it's irrelevant. your analogies are conundrums in there own right... LOL.... [/QUOTE]

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Old 02-11-2014, 12:09 AM   #16
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Re: Michael Sam comes out, An openly gay player very likely to be drafted

To the people saying basically - he should shut up about it because it's irrelevant: If it's so irrelevant then why do you care?

To the people saying basically - why is he broadcasting this???

Um, why is Tom Brady broadcasting his straightness when he shows up at public events with Gisele? Whenever a straight football player gets married or shows up at public events with his spouse he is automatically broadcasting to the world that he's straight.

It's a double standard to say in one breath it's fine and acceptable for straight football players to broadcast their straightness, and then turn around and say, "Hey why did this gay person come out? We don't need that broadcasted. We didn't need to know that."

It's automatically assumed that somehow when a person says they're gay, they're saying what they like to do in the bedroom, and we don't need to know that. That's not the case!!! All they're saying is their orientation - that they simply prefer same sex relations. Just as Tom Brady by stating he is straight is simply saying he prefers heterosexual relations. What goes on particularly in the bedroom remains private.

As for me, I could not possibly be prouder of Michael Sam. It takes some brass to come out before the draft and to be "the first one". He's just a mid-rounder and this could easily affect his stock. It's likely someone will pick him up, but he'll probably fall a couple rounds below where he would have gone.

I truly look forward to the day when this isn't even a discussion anymore. It probably won't happen in my lifetime but you never know.
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Originally Posted by ScottF View Post
In most of society, yes. In the NFL, unfortunately, no.
From the hazing incidents, stories of players baling on teammates they don't like, to homophobic comments (not Vilma; that was ridiculous), we know that the NFL is still an old boys club, filled with bullies and other narrow-minded types. See Richie Incognito for a recent reference.
End of the day, it's a team game, and if your teammates don't support you, you can't be successful.

Sad, but I don't think this guy will survive an NFL locker room. I wish him well, because it is well past time

here is an interesting timeline- openly gay politicians, athletes and entertainers. A lot you will know (H.Milk, Sally Ride), and they date back to the 60's.

List of lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender firsts by year - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, how is it that in 50 years that no active professional athlete has come out? Because they know what the backlash would be.
50 years ago, there was no gay rights movement. Michael Sam came out to his entire team in Missouri last August. Warren Moon has stated publicly that there were two gay guys on his team that everyone in the locker room knew about and got along with fine. Don't underestimate the NFL locker rooms. The only thing that really matters in most locker rooms (but not all) is WINNING.
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Originally Posted by ClintSaints View Post
To the people saying basically - he should shut up about it because it's irrelevant: If it's so irrelevant then why do you care?

To the people saying basically - why is he broadcasting this???

Um, why is Tom Brady broadcasting his straightness when he shows up at public events with Gisele? Whenever a straight football player gets married or shows up at public events with his spouse he is automatically broadcasting to the world that he's straight.

It's a double standard to say in one breath it's fine and acceptable for straight football players to broadcast their straightness, and then turn around and say, "Hey why did this gay person come out? We don't need that broadcasted. We didn't need to know that."

It's automatically assumed that somehow when a person says they're gay, they're saying what they like to do in the bedroom, and we don't need to know that. That's not the case!!! All they're saying is their orientation - that they simply prefer same sex relations. Just as Tom Brady by stating he is straight is simply saying he prefers heterosexual relations. What goes on particularly in the bedroom remains private.

As for me, I could not possibly be prouder of Michael Sam. It takes some brass to come out before the draft and to be "the first one". He's just a mid-rounder and this could easily affect his stock. It's likely someone will pick him up, but he'll probably fall a couple rounds below where he would have gone.

I truly look forward to the day when this isn't even a discussion anymore. It probably won't happen in my lifetime but you never know.
It does. Good for that dude. Who cares is my feeling. In the spirit of our win over the Cards in 09 playoffs- He likes to lay the wood or have the wood laid, bahaha I am like a 2 year old, either way IDC. Do what makes you happy life is too short. And what a pair of balls on this guy, even though I don't want to check em out On a serious note I am happy for the guy being gay must be hard enough.
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If we drafted the guy and he recorded 15 sacks and helped us win a SB no one would care. Shoot we'd show up to games with rainbows as a sign of support
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Originally Posted by ClintSaints View Post
50 years ago, there was no gay rights movement. Michael Sam came out to his entire team in Missouri last August. Warren Moon has stated publicly that there were two gay guys on his team that everyone in the locker room knew about and got along with fine. Don't underestimate the NFL locker rooms. The only thing that really matters in most locker rooms (but not all) is WINNING.
Are you saying he came out for the 'movement' ? The 'movement' has been going on for 25 years. Some states have had same-sex marriage for 10 years (Vermont longer).
I completely get your point about winning, but looking at Kluwe, J.Martin, Ayanbadejo, and the fact that not one player has ever come out, that tells a different story.
With injured reserve, practice squad and active rosters, there are 2000 NFL players each year. About 4% of Americans are openly gay, which would equal about 80 players being out. Instead there are zero, and there's always been zero. If not the locker room mentality, then what?

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