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this is a discussion within the NFL Community Forum; Originally Posted by ProMallNinja Most of the NFL pundits I hear are saying that the Saints are obviously going "all in" for another Super Bowl before Brees is "done". Champ said he "would" play safety. "Would", in my mind, is ...

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Old 04-08-2014, 08:21 AM   #21
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Most of the NFL pundits I hear are saying that the Saints are obviously going "all in" for another Super Bowl before Brees is "done".

Champ said he "would" play safety. "Would", in my mind, is much different than "want"....

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The "or bust season" means one. It is highly doubtful that Drew is done after this season. Its the off season and the pundits need something to speculate on. There is nothing "or bust" about the 2014 season.

If your going to play literal with "would" or "want", then "bust" has no place in this season, for the most part its a youth movement.

I also find a huge flaw in the theory that with out Drew Brees our defense becomes worse, our running game gets worse, Sean Payton becomes a bad coach, Graham gets worse, our receivers stop catching... The group that found Drew Brees and brought him to New Orleans will find his successor and we will be equally as successful.

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The "or bust season" means one. It is highly doubtful that Drew is done after this season. Its the off season and the pundits need something to speculate on. There is nothing "or bust" about the 2014 season.

If your going to play literal with "would" or "want", then "bust" has no place in this season, for the most part its a youth movement.

I also find a huge flaw in the theory that with out Drew Brees our defense becomes worse, our running game gets worse, Sean Payton becomes a bad coach, Graham gets worse, our receivers stop catching... The group that found Drew Brees and brought him to New Orleans will find his successor and we will be equally as successful.
I read into "super bowl or bust" only as "win the super bowl or don't win the super bowl". If you see me use that phrase then by no means do I mean "bust" as going 0-16.

As much as I love Drew and hope he plays forever, to deny that a physical decline is likely at his age and older is wishful thinking at best, and to imply that our HOF caliber QB is not a key cog in our run at another super bowl or that those type of players are dime-a-dozen and easily replaced is a bit delusional.

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I read into "super bowl or bust" only as "win the super bowl or don't win the super bowl". If you see me use that phrase then by no means do I mean "bust" as going 0-16.

As much as I love Drew and hope he plays forever, to deny that a physical decline is likely at his age and older is wishful thinking at best, and to imply that our HOF caliber QB is not a key cog in our run at another super bowl or that those type of players are dime-a-dozen and easily replaced is a bit delusional.

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There is no implication that Drew is an easily replaceable commodity. Would you say Drew is an elite QB? Jimmy Graham is an elite TE? Having 2 elite players on the same side of the ball at the same time doesn't just happen to every team or many. It isn't luck, it's Sean Payton. Drew Brees wasn't elite at San Diego.

Sean Payton adjusts our game plan according to rising and falling players and there is no doomsday clock on his success. We won a SN without Graham and Drew retiring isn't going to make us an 8-8 team.

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There is no implication that Drew is an easily replaceable commodity. Would you say Drew is an elite QB? Jimmy Graham is an elite TE? Having 2 elite players on the same side of the ball at the same time doesn't just happen to every team or many. It isn't luck, it's Sean Payton. Drew Brees wasn't elite at San Diego.

Sean Payton adjusts our game plan according to rising and falling players and there is no doomsday clock on his success. We won a SN without Graham and Drew retiring isn't going to make us an 8-8 team.
I don't believe that Brees' retirement makes us an 8-8 team either. Stop putting words in my mouth. I do believe that he is an important piece to our chances right now. Yes, Coach Payton has some to do with Brees becoming a FHOF QB, as well as the success of Jimmy Graham, but by no means is Coach Payton solely responsible for that. It's purely a case of a "special player" (or two) joining up with a "special coach", and, yes, some of that is luck. I think that even Coach Payton, being the apparent football god that he is, would consider himself "lucky" to have those guys.

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