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this is a discussion within the NFL Community Forum; Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 They're both idiots. Precisely why its a no harm/no foul. We seem to forget that the victim wasn't married to him or in a no way out situation like happens with most cases of domestic abuse. ...

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Old 09-09-2014, 07:35 AM   #31
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They're both idiots.
Precisely why its a no harm/no foul.

We seem to forget that the victim wasn't married to him or in a no way out situation like happens with most cases of domestic abuse.

She didn't press charges, and she married him after.
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Old 09-09-2014, 07:39 AM   #32
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It is very simple, do not hit a woman. Or even a woman hit a man as there are men that are being abuse, it is common but not as much as a man beating up a woman.

Really Goodell is trying to "Kiss and make up!" For the two game soft suspension by laying down the punishment that domestic violence is not to be tolerated. Not just to the league, but for the rest of the world to follow!

Rice should be set an example of this! For all to see. Not just stars but everybody in this world!
Actually according to all of the studies that have been done on the matter, women abuse men more than men abuse women. CDC Study: More Men than Women Victims of Partner Abuse SAVE: Stop Abusive and Violent Environments
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He is right though Danno. In the eyes of the law..... Self defense.
She is a 110 pound woman, who happens to be his future wife. It's not like she had a gun or a knife. She posed no bodily threat. He is a STRONG athlete. Evident by the one punch knock out.


For those of you who don't think this is a big deal; ask yourself this question; what if that was your sister, girlfirend, wife or mother that a man hit. How would you respond?

He needs to be worried about her father. A Boy/so called man hits one of my daughters.... he will find out the bloody skills the military has taught me.

As far as her still marrying after what he did to her, just shows her stupidity and maybe she's looking for a meal ticket.
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Old 09-09-2014, 11:29 AM   #34
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Come on a 110 pound women is going to hurt me. Any guy touch my daughter, i don't want to think about what i would do to him. Ray crossed the line. Ray go get some help and will see you in two years.

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I see the machismo is thick in here.

I'll start by saying that at 44 I've never put my hands on a woman and never will. I don't condone it, I also don't condone a female putting hands on a male.

I have daughters, both brown belts in TKD. At 9 and 6 they both pack enough speed and power to break boards, and that is more than enough to knock a man out.

I'm not going to speculate what area or era you two hail from but from experience.... These days 110 lbs of pissed off woman with 1" fingernails will phuck you up like dropping an opossum in your bath water. I suspect Rez has been on the receiving end at least once and I've been on the receiving end more than 1/2 a dozen times. I worked bars for years luckily I had someone to pull them off of me but if you ever want to bleed just try to break up a couple fighting, as soon as you put hands on him to throw him out she is on your head like a spider monkey on PCP.

Sapper..... A knockout doesn't require a lot of strength or power. All it requires is a light snap on the chin to hit a nerve in the jaw to cause the central nervous system to shut down. I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to but my military training has never incorporated "bloody skills" into either silent or standard threat neutralization.

In no way do I intend for what I am about to say next in a derogatory fashion. Irrational knee jerk reactions like some I have seen are precisely why the NFL killed Slap yo Moma red zone and just ended the career and income for a couple that neither was hurt from THEIR normal activities. She basically said that in her tweet. It's no ones business that they both put hands on each other. If he throttled her with all of his monstrous power her mouth would be wired shut. He didn't, hers isn't, they laughed about it in the morning.

Perception carries more weight than reality these days I suppose.
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As far as her still marrying after what he did to her, just shows her stupidity and maybe she's looking for a meal ticket.
They have been together since they were both in high school so that would not seem to be the case. Either this is a one-time incident or it's an abusive, codependent relationship. We have no way of knowing. Either way, let's not throw fault at the victim's feet.
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Actually , he is not released indefinitely from the NFL.

I am watching CNN -Anderson's report.
It showed a few others who are currently going through the courts and NFL with this issue. They are out there every Sunday.

Well, that means to me , if they are in the NFL and RR cannot be, then RR has a lawsuit on the way to the NFL.
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I see the machismo is thick in here.

I'll start by saying that at 44 I've never put my hands on a woman and never will. I don't condone it, I also don't condone a female putting hands on a male.

I have daughters, both brown belts in TKD. At 9 and 6 they both pack enough speed and power to break boards, and that is more than enough to knock a man out.

I'm not going to speculate what area or era you two hail from but from experience.... These days 110 lbs of pissed off woman with 1" fingernails will phuck you up like dropping an opossum in your bath water. I suspect Rez has been on the receiving end at least once and I've been on the receiving end more than 1/2 a dozen times. I worked bars for years luckily I had someone to pull them off of me but if you ever want to bleed just try to break up a couple fighting, as soon as you put hands on him to throw him out she is on your head like a spider monkey on PCP.

Sapper..... A knockout doesn't require a lot of strength or power. All it requires is a light snap on the chin to hit a nerve in the jaw to cause the central nervous system to shut down. I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to but my military training has never incorporated "bloody skills" into either silent or standard threat neutralization.

In no way do I intend for what I am about to say next in a derogatory fashion. Irrational knee jerk reactions like some I have seen are precisely why the NFL killed Slap yo Moma red zone and just ended the career and income for a couple that neither was hurt from THEIR normal activities. She basically said that in her tweet. It's no ones business that they both put hands on each other. If he throttled her with all of his monstrous power her mouth would be wired shut. He didn't, hers isn't, they laughed about it in the morning.

Perception carries more weight than reality these days I suppose.
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As far as my wife, mother, or someone along those lines I'd never put my hands on them. But I can't lie like I can't be physically provoked to hit a woman, or anybody for that matter. I was brought up to be rough, and aggressive. My tolerance is extremely high for women, but once you take a couple of those bee sting, like punches from a girl it can flip the switch real fast.

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I got caught with 3 of those stupid ass windmill slaps to the face before I could blink one time. I can't even lie, I jabbed her in the mouth. Drew blood. That ended it. She and I never had that issue, or any issues ever again. But I I wasn't the last guy she tried that with.

As far as my wife, mother, or someone along those lines I'd never put my hands on them. But I can't lie like I can't be physically provoked to hit a woman, or anybody for that matter. I was brought up to be rough, and aggressive. My tolerance is extremely high for women, but once you take a couple of those bee sting, like punches from a girl it can flip the switch real fast.
Which is my whole point, or rather multiple points.

What happened was to end it... No one started kicking ribs or giving a beat down after she fell. Had she not been knocked out she wouldn't have quit and someone would have been in the hospital.

Those two also come from and exist in a different culture. Cant start going into peoples lives and dictating how they live if they are happy with it.

My girls can more than defend them selves but they are taught by me that life comes with a hands off policy. Under no circumstance are they to put hands on anyone in anger period. If someone lays hands on them then its neutralize and leave.

Lady Justice wears a blindfold for a reason. Race, gender, etc are irrelevant (except for defining a minor and an adult). When we as a society start protecting the small, the female, the 100 lb's to the extent that they are allowed to be aggressive and there is no recourse we are ushering a generation where a 16 year old boy weighing 200 lbs can whip a grown mans azz and the man can not defend him self. We are actually creating a more violent society because certain people have no fear.

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Lets just say we see this differently. Not right or wrong. Just differently.

As far a "bloody skills"; yes, I have them. No, I don't think all 110 lbs people are helpless. I see all people as a potential threat. It's just how I'm wired. In no way am I hosing down the floor with testosterone and I believe "There's always someone badder than you". I am an aggressive person. It's not something I'm particularly proud of. However, I know what "fights" to fight and know the ones I don't need to fight. Are all people that way? No.

It's not a "knee jerk" reaction for me. I've been a police officer. I've seen and fully understand domestic violence. I've seen plenty of women with their eyes beat shut and I've seen men who've looked like they went 12 rounds. I'm not saying women are helpless. I am saying this: should I use my "combat/warfare" training to stop my wife/girlfriend. Or should I walk away from the situation before it gets out of hand?

I'm not saying Ray's wife is at no fault and she is the victim of an unwarranted attack. She threw, slapped, spit or what have you. She's just as guilty as he is. Charges should have been brought up on her, as well.

Ray is an NFL player. A person in the National spotlight. Thats why they have personal/private conduct clauses in contracts. You don't hear, Nationally, everytime there is DA in this country. You only hear about it when it's a person in the National spotlight. Ray should have known what was going to happen to him. I know if I get charged with DA, I'm out of the Military, no if, and, or but about. See ya; thank you for playing. Oh and here's your dishonorable discharge paperwork.

I'm not damning RR to an eternity in hell. But I don't have to feel sorry for him or his wife, because they just screwed his carreer up.

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