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Old 12-01-2014, 09:00 PM   #21
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Re: St. Louis police group calls on NFL to punish Rams for Ferguson Gestures

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Like the logical?
Sure. Whatever you want to call it.
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If these 5 Rams players want to show this on the stage of an NFL game, let'em. I'd just like it highlighted that these players have the right to make a choice in this country without being silenced and imprisoned by this government. And I like it when protesters have a logical solution to fix a problem for the obvious problem for which they are protesting.

These same 5 players are saying they disagree with the fact-based decision of a 12-member grand jury's decision, which is a fundamental principal of our government.

Alright...so what would be a logical solution to fix or replace this system of justice, St. Louis Rams Five?

We'll wait for your solution...

On a final note for these 5, I do find it sad that there is so much silence from these same 5 NFL players concerning the violent murders of young men from within their own neighborhoods & cities by other young men from their own neighborhoods & cities within the last couple of weeks and months.

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These guys were out of line and need to lose their jobs!! I am offended by their actions! Something needs to be done!! I'm so offended!! Hell,it works for the minority groups I figure I'd give it a shot. BTW, for those who don't understand what the big deal is about this or bring up the 'freedom of speach' argument clearly doesn't have a f***ing clue. I get so irritated with the brainwashed,ignorant people in this society. But who knows, maybe I'm out of touch with reality....maybe somebody who disagrees with the Furguson trial can chime in with their views on why there was such an injustice....maybe I'm missing something....
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Old 12-02-2014, 07:07 AM   #24
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Don't worry, I won't. So you can save the smart ass routine for somebody else.
Thank-you bro, and I hope you have the integrity to live up to your commitment ... but I doubt it. You see bro, I've lived in neighborhoods of "Mike Browns" & "rezburna's" all my life and let me tell you, you're part of the problem, not the solution ... as also are your five heroes on the Rams.

It's unfortunate, but Mike Brown stopped being a "victim" the minute he went for that cop's gun. At what point do you hold him at least partly culpable for his own death? To support "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" after it's been definitively proven false by forensic evidence and eyewitness testimony and any attempt to portray Michael Brown as the poster child of black oppression does a great injustice/disservice to your cause and the black community as a whole, IMO.

I have no sympathy for Mike Brown or Darren Wilson. I'm pretty sure if they had the opportunity for a "re-do", they'd both do things a little differently. My sympathies lie with the good members of the Ferguson community who get caught up and will now forever be linked with the stupid/destructive outside agitators sporting an alternative agenda.

Yeah, I'm a smart-ass. Don't like being called out though, do ya? Most punks don't, . I'll make you an offer if you think it's such a routine ... I'll put a one-way plane ticket to Detroit in the nearest major airport to ya' and give you the "5-days in July" tour and show you exactly what an agenda like yours does for a community.

If you got the balls to show up, I'll pay for your flight back. Bring a jacket, it's getting cold around here, .
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Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton View Post
...I get so irritated with the brainwashed,ignorant people in this society. But who knows, maybe I'm out of touch with reality....maybe somebody who disagrees with the Furguson trial can chime in with their views on why there was such an injustice....maybe I'm missing something....
You're not out-of-touch with reality, bro. Give you a little background on the "St. Louis 5" who took it upon themselves to side with the fact-less and dividing force of blinded bias.

I present "The Model Citizens Brigade", the St. Louis Rams 5 Style:

Meet the Five Rams Who Struck "Hands Up Don't Shoot" Poses on Sunday: Arrests, Substance Abuse, Suspensions and More... -

By the way, this was the point I was laboring at in my post earlier. You know, protesters out protesting but have no clue as to how to fix nor do they care how to fix the problem they are protesting. Or in these 5 idiots' case, protesting because of blind or ignorant bias and they can "keep it real" yet do nothing to bring about awareness to the real problems within their own neighborhoods in Birmingham, AL, Jackson, MS, etc...
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I applaud these 5 players.
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"These same 5 players are saying they disagree with the fact-based decision of a 12-member grand jury's decision, which is a fundamental principal of our government."

By law the prosecutor (who represent the people) is to present just enough evidence to show cause to indict. This prosecutor's minions presented the case as if they were defending Darren Wilson. They allowed him to testify, which is highly unusual. Wilson was not cross examined while other eyewitnesses were. In the paperwork presented to the Grand Jury Wilson was listed as the victim & Michael Brown as the suspect. This is totally opposite of what they are to do. Why wasn't Wilson's gun tested for palm or finger prints based on his testimony of Brown grabbing his gun? Too many questions about the entire process.

Here in Colorado when JonBenet Ramsey was murdered in her home the jury decided to indict her parents but the prosecutor declined to follow up.
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Old 12-02-2014, 09:57 PM   #28
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Well right or wrong the Rams's definitely played some inspired football
they blasted the Raiders 52-0. Someone earlier mentioned the media
spin which was absolutely a circus. It seemed each news channel had
their own take on the facts. It was hard to keep up with what was being reported.
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"These same 5 players are saying they disagree with the fact-based decision of a 12-member grand jury's decision, which is a fundamental principal of our government."

By law the prosecutor (who represent the people) is to present just enough evidence to show cause to indict. This prosecutor's minions presented the case as if they were defending Darren Wilson. They allowed him to testify, which is highly unusual. Wilson was not cross examined while other eyewitnesses were. In the paperwork presented to the Grand Jury Wilson was listed as the victim & Michael Brown as the suspect. This is totally opposite of what they are to do. Why wasn't Wilson's gun tested for palm or finger prints based on his testimony of Brown grabbing his gun? Too many questions about the entire process.

Here in Colorado when JonBenet Ramsey was murdered in her home the jury decided to indict her parents but the prosecutor declined to follow up.
I'd be interested in where you get the 411 on exactly what type/how evidence was/was not presented to the Ferguson grand jury. Not in argument, but because everything about a grand jury is usually cloaked in secrecy. If it's just from doing google-search on 'ferguson grand jury', I'd have to recommend taking those media reports with a grain-of-salt and not necessarily verbatim. Without actually sitting on a grand jury, I don't think you can second-guess how they arrived at their decision, but instead focus on the decision itself.

Anyway, what I get from your post is that it's the responsibility of a grand jury to indict regardless? That the prosecutor is to present only such evidence that would show cause to indict? Is that what we would consider due process? My understanding of a grand jury is that it can also be used as an investigative body to determine if any/all evidence warrants bringing an indictment in a particular case/matter. From the opinions I've seen offered by the legal community on the preponderance of evidence, bringing this to trial would have been a waste of taxpayer's dollars in that any basic defense attorney would be able to shred the State's case. It was "damned if you do, damned if you don't" and the end result would have been the same ... Ferguson in flames, . The Brown's can have their day in court ... civil court, not the court-of-public-opinion and not at taxpayer's expense. IMO, the prosecutor did his job & the system is working as it should.

In regards to the "St Louis Five", as they're now affectionately referred to, I don't think anyone questions their right to disagree with the grand jury decision, but maybe more so with the venue and the way they chose to do it. It smacks of sensationalism, self-aggrandizing and is really just plain inflammatory.

Less than one-half-of-one-percent of young black male homicides are committed by law enforcement officials. Think about that for a minute. Less than one-half-of-one-percent. For this we loot, burn and grandstand, yet remain silent on the 99.5%. There's gotta' be a better way.

"With great power comes great responsibility" ~ Stan Lee. Yeah, I'm quoting Spiderman, . These guys hold a position of power and stature in the black community. Instead of using their powers for good & healing their community, they choose to pour gas on an already volatile situation. It's a shame, because these guys have so much leadership potential in which to empower their communities but choose instead to disrupt for whatever personal reasons, :shrug: ... seen it all too often and on much lesser levels.

I'd of been much more impressed if they had directed their energies towards another popular Ferguson campaign:

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