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this is a discussion within the NFL Community Forum; Originally Posted by burningmetal I wasn't suggesting you were comparing the two. I wanted to make the comparison myself because I don't see that much is happening to the Patriots here. People are talking about witch hunt, but it was ...

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Old 05-10-2015, 06:19 AM   #41
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I wasn't suggesting you were comparing the two. I wanted to make the comparison myself because I don't see that much is happening to the Patriots here. People are talking about witch hunt, but it was the Colts who brought this thing up. I think the NFL just pretended to do a real investigation so as not to be accused of negligence.

The rambling of the report and the dismissal of everything as being circumstantial, along with the empty "more probable than not" line seems like their way of pretending to be impartial while not really doing anything to the Patriots. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but the relationship between Goodell and Kraft is known, and I have never been given a reason to NOT question Roger's credibility... Just my opinion though.

Either way, I agree that he will screw it all up. That much is a given.
Yeah, I think we're basically on the same page and it's just semantics, . I just lose interest when I see statements like this coming from the NFL's "Investigative Report Concerning Footballs Used During the AFC Championship Game on January 18, 2015": "Based on the evidence, it also is our view that it is more probable than not that Tom Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of [two New England employees] involving the release of air from Patriots game balls,". http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tom-bra...223250553.html .

I mean, huh? "More than probable"? "Generally aware"? IDK, I'm "generally aware" of about 50% of the inappropriate activities in my vicinity, does that make me guilty of something? If you're gonna' do an investigation, do it right, don't speculate, come to a conclusion, not a theory, . It seems to be a pattern with the NFL. The one similarity I do see with Bountygate/Spygate is that the actions in question are pretty common around the league but one party got caught & will be singled out. Will Roger be consistent when applying penalties? Probably not, he hasn't up to this point, why start now?

It's all very disappointing, IMO. .
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Old 05-10-2015, 02:54 PM   #42
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Yeah, I think we're basically on the same page and it's just semantics, . I just lose interest when I see statements like this coming from the NFL's "Investigative Report Concerning Footballs Used During the AFC Championship Game on January 18, 2015": "Based on the evidence, it also is our view that it is more probable than not that Tom Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of [two New England employees] involving the release of air from Patriots game balls,". http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tom-bra...223250553.html .

I mean, huh? "More than probable"? "Generally aware"? IDK, I'm "generally aware" of about 50% of the inappropriate activities in my vicinity, does that make me guilty of something? If you're gonna' do an investigation, do it right, don't speculate, come to a conclusion, not a theory, . It seems to be a pattern with the NFL. The one similarity I do see with Bountygate/Spygate is that the actions in question are pretty common around the league but one party got caught & will be singled out. Will Roger be consistent when applying penalties? Probably not, he hasn't up to this point, why start now?

It's all very disappointing, IMO. .
Yeah I agree. It's bull crap any way you slice it. The only real difference (the way it appears right now) is the way this will be mostly swept under the rug in terms of penalty which, in essence, is the only consistent thing about Goodell. Nothing is ever the same, and it never makes sense.

I do think the Patriots deflated balls, regardless of the report, as it seems to not be uncommon. And the fact that Brady so smugly laughed it off makes it look bad, but in actuality I don't think it really matters. BUT, the report itself is pretty dumb. The only reason I want to see punishment is for the sake of some kind of consistency, but you and I agree that won't happen.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 05-10-2015, 06:44 PM   #43
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I think many people are missing the point. It's not about deflating balls in one game, one time, in one game of one year.

It's about deflating balls - on a regular basis - since 2007. Which leads to a statistically proven advantage. Fumble counts for New England changed dramatically in 2007 - very very dramatically. Beyond belief dramatically. Beyond anything that's been seen in history dramatically. Courtesy of a rule change asked for by Tom Brady, and even taken further by one team and one team only. Interestingly, when those same players (coached by New England, the same people that NEVER fumble) left New England's team - all of a sudden, those same guys learned how to fumble again, back into normal levels.

Coincidence? I think not.

Anyone who's actually **played** football knows it's a lot easier to hold onto an under-inflated ball.

Brady and New England have been deflating balls since 2007. Resulting in fewer fumbles, easier receptions, and better wet weather play. That's what the stats say - that's what the stats prove.

That's what this is all about. Not just a single AFC championship game where they got caught, in one year.

You can take all those victories since 2007 - and throw them into a bag of unfair advantage.

If you don't believe it - check the facts. See thread in NFL category about Patriots cheating since 2007. It's posted on this board. Read for yourself. Decide for yourself. It's stated a lot more eloquently and indisputably by people a lot smarter than I am. Decide for yourself.

Stats show the New England Patriots became nearly fumble-proof after a 2006 rule change pushed by Tom Brady.

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Old 05-10-2015, 07:44 PM   #44
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... Anyone who's actually **played** football knows it's a lot easier to hold onto an under-inflated ball ...
Well, here's a few guys who **played** a lot of football and their thoughts on the subject:

Originally Posted by http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/01/21/joe-theismann-steve-young-nfl-deflategate-patriots/22130249/
NFL rules stipulate a game ball must be inflated to 12 ˝ to 13 ˝ pounds per square inch.

"I asked our equipment guy to pump one football up to 13 pounds per square inch and another to 11 psi," Theismann told USA TODAY Sports. "I wanted to physically handle the footballs and see if I could tell a difference in them. And I couldn't.

"If you just pick a football up that is 13 psi and another that's 11 psi, no one would know the difference. Because you don't grip a football tight anyway to throw it."

"Dan Marino made a great point -- that the last thing you're thinking about as a quarterback when you get to the line of scrimmage is, 'I wonder if this football is 1 to 2 psi lighter?'" Theismann said.

Hall-of-Fame quarterback Steve Young, who played most of his career with the San Francisco 49ers, didn't see the edge, either.

"I would say throwing a deflated football is of no advantage. Personally, I wouldn't want to throw a deflated football," said Young, now an analyst for ESPN. "But there's no advantage for me. If you look at a quarterback's performance, I struggle to see how underinflated footballs are changing the way you play."
It's more of an integrity/following the rules issue than a competitive advantage issue, IMO. .
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Sadly they will be fined a couple of bucks and nothing else. They are too big to fail.
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I just lose interest when I see statements like this coming from the NFL's "Investigative Report Concerning Footballs Used During the AFC Championship Game on January 18, 2015": "Based on the evidence, it also is our view that it is more probable than not that Tom Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of [two New England employees] involving the release of air from Patriots game balls,". http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tom-bra...223250553.html .

I mean, huh? "More than probable"? "Generally aware"?
There's a reason for those terms. The terminology indicates a guilty verdict - from the NFL's policy. I know the verbiage sounds weak, or unsure, uncertain. But in actuality it means the opposite. See below.

Ben Volin | Sunday Football Notes: Weighing possible punishments for Tom Brady, Patriots - Sports - The Boston Globe
...make no mistake — Wells’s use of the words “more probable than not” was very deliberate. That is the exact standard the NFL uses to determine guilt in its “Policy on Integrity of the Game & Enforcement of Competitive Rules.”

From rule No. 4 in the policy: “The standard of proof required to find that a violation of league rules has occurred shall be a preponderance of the evidence. This is the degree of evidence that is of greater weight or more convincing than the evidence which is offered in opposition to it. It means that, as a whole, the fact sought to be proved is more probable than not.”

Wells wasn’t being wishy-washy. In the eyes of Wells and the NFL, the Patriots are guilty. “More probable than not” is the standard for commissioner Roger Goodell to impose discipline.

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