The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer

rezburna · 09-25-2017, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

You think the western musical structure came from Africa?

Were they playing guitars over there in the bush? The guitar is 4000 years old. How far back must we go before you understand? Do you even want to understand?

That 4000 year old guitar is likely Afrikan in origin. Egyptian to be specific.

saintfan · 09-25-2017, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

That 4000 year old guitar is likely Afrikan in origin. Egyptian to be specific.

Which establishes what, exactly? Out of Africa, right? The entire planet is a black creation stolen by white men?

Go to sleep man.

rezburna · 09-25-2017, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Oldest record of music from 1400 BC. Kinda cool but way way before slaves. Stringed noted.

https://youtu.be/DBhB9gRnIHE

So they didn't make music before 1400 BC?

rezburna · 09-25-2017, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Which establishes what, exactly? Out of Africa, right? The entire planet is a black creation stolen by white men?

Go to sleep man.

You implied guitars weren't being used on the continent. I simply stated otherwise. You said it's a 4,000 year old instrument. As of right now that's true. The oldest version was found in Afrika...

I don't fall for the semantics.

Beastmode · 09-25-2017, 08:28 PM

This MNF game sucks. No kneeling required. Ratings will drop like a safe in the ocean. Gawd this is awful!

Beastmode · 09-25-2017, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I still like what the Steelers did. If you want to come stand then come stand, but if you don't (and that's your right as an American) then stay inside until the anthem is done.

Simple. Problem solved.

I was fine with that until the head coach degraded the LT former Army Ranger who decided he wanted to salute and be out there. From that point it fell apart. You have to respect everyone and leave your own personal beliefs internal when it comes to this stuff. The coach failed and ruined the whole thing.

saintfan · 09-25-2017, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

You implied guitars weren't being used on the continent. I simply stated otherwise.

My mistake if that's what it appeared I was saying. My entire point to you is that all these things that you feel are uniquely African or African-American are, in fact, creations of humanity. There are too many influences to make your claim. That's just true.

I've read much about pop culture, social struggles, the black panthers and the 60s...much more...and I dearly love 'black' music, but I recognize that the art is human. It has no color. We all share the same emotions.

I'm going to say this to you in an attempt to make some peace: You and I clearly share a love and interest in music as art. I am sad that you have layered it with color where none should be. Black artists were abused by the labels early on - white artists were too, equally. There was no color barrier. I wish that you could drop the 'black' thing, just long enough to stop attributing everything wrong to the evil white man. In many ways black people have been their own worst enemy. I feel what you're saying. Honest to God I do, but you take it too far, and I'm genuinely curious to know why?

rezburna · 09-25-2017, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

My mistake if that's what it appeared I was saying. My entire point to you is that all these things that you feel are uniquely African or African-American are, in fact, creations of humanity. There are too many influences to make your claim. That's just true.

I've read much about pop culture, social struggles, the black panthers and the 60s...much more...and I dearly love 'black' music, but I recognize that the art is human. It has no color. We all share the same emotions.

I'm going to say this to you in an attempt to make some peace: You and I clearly share a love and interest in music as art. I am sad that you have layered it with color where none should be. Black artists were abused by the labels early on - white artists were too, equally. There was no color barrier. I wish that you could drop the 'black' thing, just long enough to stop attributing everything wrong to the evil white man. In many ways black people have been their own worst enemy. I feel what you're saying. Honest to God I do, but you take it too far, and I'm genuinely curious to know why?

I won't nitpick this post simply because I've been down this road time and time again. We see the world through two different lenses, and it's not my goal for us to see eye to eye. I might be sad or discouraging, but that isn't the school of thought I follow. I understand why you view things the way you do. Believe me. I wouldn't have gotten this far in life without a thorough understanding of the dominant society. I believe Black people have been their own worse enemies in many ways as well, but probably not in all the same ways that you do. If you're looking understand, it'll take more than one debate. More than one conversation. More than one perspective. I don't remember if it was you, but I told people to inbox me or add me on Facebook if they wanted to truly engage me in dialogue without outside interference. I enjoy the art of debate.

burningmetal · 09-25-2017, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

5 Inventions by Enslaved Black Men Blocked by US Patent Office

Black History Month: Inventions Made by Black Slaves Denied Patents

Thomas Jennings, the first black patent holder, who invented dry cleaning in 1821.

Benjamin Montgomery, born into slavery in 1819, invented a steamboat propeller designed for shallow waters.

But, your assumption just shows you how ignorant mostly white people are about black culture.

Assumptions? Excuse me? What assumptions did I make?

I asked a simple question. You gave a list of a small number of slaves who invented something. And I'm not saying this to insinuate that they were stupid. They were slaves, so I don't expect that they would invent much, considering they were enslaved.

But how many other people do you think are denied patents or get screwed in some other way? Why don't you read this for a little perspective on the challenges on getting your inventions through https://www.wired.com/2013/04/gov-se...rs-on-patents/

This isn't a black issue. It's just an issue, PERIOD. Now, of course in the days of slavery, those slaves didn't have rights. But the President of the Confederacy enacted that law to protect their patent rights. Were you going to skip over that? No one is denying the wrong that was done with slavery. It's this idea that no other "race" or civilization has ever gone through anything, and the world owes black people everything, that is a total fantasy. This country has come a long way from those days, and where you can find instances of black oppression, you can find just as many for whites.

People are struggling all over the world with various things. But what do you care? Only black history matters to you, right?

burningmetal · 09-25-2017, 09:36 PM

For those who find it impossible to listen to or read anything a white person has to say, maybe you'll listen to this man:

Now I have had enough - Why The Flag Means So Much To Americans - YouTube

We can all get along just fine in this country if we live in the present, and have a little humility and perspective. Hating people forever because of things that happened long ago gets us nowhere. You guys know the story of the Titanic, right? 1500 died, and most of them were poor. And white. The "important" got first dibs off the ship. Elitism hurts or kills more people than racism does. But it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be, at least in that sense.

Now we just have elitists in politics, media and Hollywood trying to tell us how to live, and what our values should be.

09-25-2017, 08:22 PM	#101
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,650	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by saintfan You think the western musical structure came from Africa? Were they playing guitars over there in the bush? The guitar is 4000 years old. How far back must we go before you understand? Do you even want to understand? That 4000 year old guitar is likely Afrikan in origin. Egyptian to be specific.

09-25-2017, 08:24 PM	#102
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by rezburna That 4000 year old guitar is likely Afrikan in origin. Egyptian to be specific. Which establishes what, exactly? Out of Africa, right? The entire planet is a black creation stolen by white men? Go to sleep man.

09-25-2017, 08:24 PM	#103
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,650	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by Beastmode Oldest record of music from 1400 BC. Kinda cool but way way before slaves. Stringed noted. https://youtu.be/DBhB9gRnIHE So they didn't make music before 1400 BC?

09-25-2017, 08:27 PM	#104
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,650	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by saintfan Which establishes what, exactly? Out of Africa, right? The entire planet is a black creation stolen by white men? Go to sleep man. You implied guitars weren't being used on the continent. I simply stated otherwise. You said it's a 4,000 year old instrument. As of right now that's true. The oldest version was found in Afrika... I don't fall for the semantics.

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by saintfan I still like what the Steelers did. If you want to come stand then come stand, but if you don't (and that's your right as an American) then stay inside until the anthem is done. Simple. Problem solved. I was fine with that until the head coach degraded the LT former Army Ranger who decided he wanted to salute and be out there. From that point it fell apart. You have to respect everyone and leave your own personal beliefs internal when it comes to this stuff. The coach failed and ruined the whole thing.
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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by rezburna You implied guitars weren't being used on the continent. I simply stated otherwise. My mistake if that's what it appeared I was saying. My entire point to you is that all these things that you feel are uniquely African or African-American are, in fact, creations of humanity. There are too many influences to make your claim. That's just true. I've read much about pop culture, social struggles, the black panthers and the 60s...much more...and I dearly love 'black' music, but I recognize that the art is human. It has no color. We all share the same emotions. I'm going to say this to you in an attempt to make some peace: You and I clearly share a love and interest in music as art. I am sad that you have layered it with color where none should be. Black artists were abused by the labels early on - white artists were too, equally. There was no color barrier. I wish that you could drop the 'black' thing, just long enough to stop attributing everything wrong to the evil white man. In many ways black people have been their own worst enemy. I feel what you're saying. Honest to God I do, but you take it too far, and I'm genuinely curious to know why?
	C'mon Man...

09-25-2017, 08:54 PM	#108
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,650	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by saintfan My mistake if that's what it appeared I was saying. My entire point to you is that all these things that you feel are uniquely African or African-American are, in fact, creations of humanity. There are too many influences to make your claim. That's just true. I've read much about pop culture, social struggles, the black panthers and the 60s...much more...and I dearly love 'black' music, but I recognize that the art is human. It has no color. We all share the same emotions. I'm going to say this to you in an attempt to make some peace: You and I clearly share a love and interest in music as art. I am sad that you have layered it with color where none should be. Black artists were abused by the labels early on - white artists were too, equally. There was no color barrier. I wish that you could drop the 'black' thing, just long enough to stop attributing everything wrong to the evil white man. In many ways black people have been their own worst enemy. I feel what you're saying. Honest to God I do, but you take it too far, and I'm genuinely curious to know why? I won't nitpick this post simply because I've been down this road time and time again. We see the world through two different lenses, and it's not my goal for us to see eye to eye. I might be sad or discouraging, but that isn't the school of thought I follow. I understand why you view things the way you do. Believe me. I wouldn't have gotten this far in life without a thorough understanding of the dominant society. I believe Black people have been their own worse enemies in many ways as well, but probably not in all the same ways that you do. If you're looking understand, it'll take more than one debate. More than one conversation. More than one perspective. I don't remember if it was you, but I told people to inbox me or add me on Facebook if they wanted to truly engage me in dialogue without outside interference. I enjoy the art of debate.
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09-25-2017, 08:57 PM	#109
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The NFL Is a Product I Refuse to Purchase Any Longer Originally Posted by WHODATINCA 5 Inventions by Enslaved Black Men Blocked by US Patent Office Black History Month: Inventions Made by Black Slaves Denied Patents Thomas Jennings, the first black patent holder, who invented dry cleaning in 1821. Benjamin Montgomery, born into slavery in 1819, invented a steamboat propeller designed for shallow waters. But, your assumption just shows you how ignorant mostly white people are about black culture. Assumptions? Excuse me? What assumptions did I make? I asked a simple question. You gave a list of a small number of slaves who invented something. And I'm not saying this to insinuate that they were stupid. They were slaves, so I don't expect that they would invent much, considering they were enslaved. But how many other people do you think are denied patents or get screwed in some other way? Why don't you read this for a little perspective on the challenges on getting your inventions through https://www.wired.com/2013/04/gov-se...rs-on-patents/ This isn't a black issue. It's just an issue, PERIOD. Now, of course in the days of slavery, those slaves didn't have rights. But the President of the Confederacy enacted that law to protect their patent rights. Were you going to skip over that? No one is denying the wrong that was done with slavery. It's this idea that no other "race" or civilization has ever gone through anything, and the world owes black people everything, that is a total fantasy. This country has come a long way from those days, and where you can find instances of black oppression, you can find just as many for whites. People are struggling all over the world with various things. But what do you care? Only black history matters to you, right? saintfan likes this.
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