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this is a discussion within the NFL Community Forum; Originally Posted by vpheughan It wasn't Offense that won against the Panthers. It was the Defense that was stacked. Manning had a very "pedestrian" Super Bowl. Manning finished the game 13 of 23 for 141 yards with no touchdowns and ...

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Old 02-15-2019, 05:37 PM   #11
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Re: Broncos agree to trade for Ravens QB Joe Flacco

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It wasn't Offense that won against the Panthers. It was the Defense that was stacked. Manning had a very "pedestrian" Super Bowl. Manning finished the game 13 of 23 for 141 yards with no touchdowns and one interception. At the time he was considered the GOAT!!! The year before against Seattle he was 34 of 49 for 280 1 TD 2 INT's one was a pick 6.
No one disputes that he had a horrible day in SB 50. Manning himself has joked before that the Broncos defense carried him. To be fair though, MVP Cam Newton didn't play much better. He put up better numbers than Peyton (even counting him being a wimp stepping away from that fumble), but he had just as much of an abysmal day in that SB. This was the reigning MVP, not a 39 year old former great QB with a declined arm.

Brady just won a SB too where he played bad in. That will probably not be talked about as often as Manning's bad performance cause Brady is the GOAT cause RINGZ RINGZ RINGZ.

2015 Manning is just as bad as 2010 Favre and 1999 Dan Marino. If you take away the Chiefs game where he had 5 INTs, it looks like your typical great QB declining in a twilight year. That one game with the crazy number of INTs made his TD/INT ratio look worse than it would've been without it. If he is to be singled out for 2015, we have to play fair and talk about the final years of Favre, Marino and other great QB's careers when they finally fell off a cliff in production.

This don't take away how productive he was in Denver though. The 2012 Broncos were a seriously great team that year and they most likely go to the SB that year if not for them having their very own Marcus Williams (Rahim Moore) with a blown coverage on a hail mary. Manning would've ended that playoff game with a game winning drive (they scored in the final 2 minutes to take the lead) and this narrative of him being a "playoff choker" would be re-written.

I have said this to Saints fans in the past on another board; people pick on Manning for his playoff record, but Brees' own playoff record isn't all that different minus the one and dones. Both of them have a bunch of close losses where they played well enough to win only to have their defense or special teams completely screw it up for them.
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Old 02-16-2019, 08:52 AM   #12
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Re: Broncos agree to trade for Ravens QB Joe Flacco

CAM NEWTON does not belong in the same conversation or Super Bowl with Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Brett Favre and Dan Marino. After watching Brees get snubbed year after year after year, MVP are just 3 letters.
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