Browns offense is loaded

CHA_CHING · 04-01-2019, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Weren't the 2000 Redskins and the 2011 Eagles "Dream Teams"? both finished 8-8

An 8-8 year would be an improvement for the Browns. They haven't won 8 games in over 10 years now. They went 10-6 in 2007 and missed the playoffs. The only other time they had a winning season was 2002 when they went 9-7.

I think this team can at least get to 9-7.

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Here’s one of the most important additions they’ve made that doesn’t get recognition: OC Todd Monken. Tampa had the #3 ranked offense in the league last year (and #1 in passing yards) despite constant flip-flopping of QB’s. They are going to light it up.

Good point here. Monken's offenses at Southern Miss were pretty good. He some how got no credit at all last year for Fitzpatrick's success early in the season with Tampa.

That's partly why I do not believe in Tampa Bay. I've seen enough of Bruce Arians' offenses to know what to expect. His idea of "drop back and throw bombs" won't go well with Winston who already has a habit of dropping back and doing like Jeff George used to with throwing perfect INTs to defensive backs.

foreverfan · 04-01-2019, 10:29 PM

The Browns office is loaded? Have they been smoking pot?

Beastmode · 04-01-2019, 11:24 PM

Hunt is suspended for a while then, so many egos. Never a good situation when everyone is trying to be a superstar. Chubb is ok. He has one good move, up the right side and that's about it. It will be about the same or worse. They are good on paper but no telling when egos blow up which they will.

jeanpierre · 04-02-2019, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Hunt is suspended for a while then, so many egos. Never a good situation when everyone is trying to be a superstar. Chubb is ok. He has one good move, up the right side and that's about it. It will be about the same or worse. They are good on paper but no telling when egos blow up which they will.

Disagree on the Chubb analysis, even when teams knew what the Browns wanted to do, Chubb was still gashing behind those great running lanes opened by Zeitler...

But you're prophetic on just how fragile that locker room will be with all those fragile egos and no Joe Thomas to pump the brakes; Kitchens will earn his check...

Beastmode · 04-02-2019, 07:38 AM

They don't go get Hunt if they thought Chubb was the total package. Chubb wasn't the starter until close to the halfway point. Browns are trying to re-create the Chiefs. I still say too many egos. I like Chubb, good RB but it's hard to win without a great pass catching back which he is not other than one flashy catch. He'll be used mainly as a GL stuffer and spelling Hunt when he returns whenever that happens.

K Major · 04-02-2019, 08:26 AM

I think new Browns HC Freddie Kitchens stated it best ...

"We’re better on paper than we were last year,” Kitchens said, via Albert Breer of SI.com. “That doesn’t mean anything other than, we’re better on paper".

Time will tell though.

CHA_CHING · 04-03-2019, 10:02 PM

RB are inter-changeable. You could have Barry Sanders as your RB and still not win many games as long as your quarterback is below average and your passing offense is subpar (Sanders had 2 years of his whole career where the Lions offense was decent and had good QB play - 1994 and 1995. Still didn't win a playoff game). Just look at how Barkley's big rushing numbers with the Giants didn't translate to an improved passing offense because Eli Manning is still a washed up mediocre quarterback. Too much emphasis is put on RBs.

Mayfield's Y/A was 7.7 last year as a rookie. The QB in Green Bay who set a record for number of times throwing the ball out of bounds to protect his precious, holy TD/INT ratio last year had a 7.4 Y/A. Mayfield also had a significantly lower sack percentage than Rodgers.

If Mayfield can improve as a passer in his sophomore year, it won't matter who he's handing the ball off to. They'll survive during Hunt's suspension if their passing offense is clicking.

I agree that their biggest problem is going to see how they handle pressure moving forward and with higher expectations.

jeanpierre · 04-04-2019, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

They don't go get Hunt if they thought Chubb was the total package. Chubb wasn't the starter until close to the halfway point. Browns are trying to re-create the Chiefs. I still say too many egos. I like Chubb, good RB but it's hard to win without a great pass catching back which he is not other than one flashy catch. He'll be used mainly as a GL stuffer and spelling Hunt when he returns whenever that happens.

Contraire, mon frère, this is a copy-cat league and the Saints have shown the perfect blue-print of what an offense can do with a two-man dynamic running back offense...

To rotate uber athletes like Chubb & Hunt every three snaps on a drive while defenses stay out on the field, fatiguing because of a lack of depth few teams in the salary cap age can assemble - that is huge...

K Major · 04-05-2019, 11:17 AM

Morgan Burnett jumps from the Steelers to the Browns.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...to-the-browns/

CHA_CHING · 04-19-2019, 12:43 PM

This is Cleveland's schedule -

Titans
At Jets (Monday Night)
Rams (Sunday Night)
At Ravens
At 49ers (Monday Night)
Seattle
BYE
At New England (3 PM)
At Denver (3 PM)
Bills
Steelers (Thursday Night)
Dolphins
At Steelers (3 PM)
Bengals
At Cardinals (3 PM)
Ravens
At Bengals

Interesting to see that Cleveland managed to get a Sunday night game this year. It's been over 10 years since they last played on SNF. I highlighted the 3 PM games cause those are prim etime slots.

Looks like the Browns really are getting the hype and people believe in them, as evidence from the SNF slot and their many prime time games.

Hard to really make any predictions on the schedule yet, but it does look like 10-6 is possible.

04-01-2019, 09:24 PM	#11
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: Browns offense is loaded Originally Posted by vpheughan Weren't the 2000 Redskins and the 2011 Eagles "Dream Teams"? both finished 8-8 An 8-8 year would be an improvement for the Browns. They haven't won 8 games in over 10 years now. They went 10-6 in 2007 and missed the playoffs. The only other time they had a winning season was 2002 when they went 9-7. I think this team can at least get to 9-7. Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Here’s one of the most important additions they’ve made that doesn’t get recognition: OC Todd Monken. Tampa had the #3 ranked offense in the league last year (and #1 in passing yards) despite constant flip-flopping of QB’s. They are going to light it up. Good point here. Monken's offenses at Southern Miss were pretty good. He some how got no credit at all last year for Fitzpatrick's success early in the season with Tampa. That's partly why I do not believe in Tampa Bay. I've seen enough of Bruce Arians' offenses to know what to expect. His idea of "drop back and throw bombs" won't go well with Winston who already has a habit of dropping back and doing like Jeff George used to with throwing perfect INTs to defensive backs.

04-01-2019, 10:29 PM	#12
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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Browns offense is loaded Hunt is suspended for a while then, so many egos. Never a good situation when everyone is trying to be a superstar. Chubb is ok. He has one good move, up the right side and that's about it. It will be about the same or worse. They are good on paper but no telling when egos blow up which they will. jeanpierre likes this.
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04-02-2019, 06:17 AM	#14
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Browns offense is loaded Originally Posted by Beastmode Hunt is suspended for a while then, so many egos. Never a good situation when everyone is trying to be a superstar. Chubb is ok. He has one good move, up the right side and that's about it. It will be about the same or worse. They are good on paper but no telling when egos blow up which they will. Disagree on the Chubb analysis, even when teams knew what the Browns wanted to do, Chubb was still gashing behind those great running lanes opened by Zeitler... But you're prophetic on just how fragile that locker room will be with all those fragile egos and no Joe Thomas to pump the brakes; Kitchens will earn his check...

04-02-2019, 07:38 AM	#15
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Browns offense is loaded They don't go get Hunt if they thought Chubb was the total package. Chubb wasn't the starter until close to the halfway point. Browns are trying to re-create the Chiefs. I still say too many egos. I like Chubb, good RB but it's hard to win without a great pass catching back which he is not other than one flashy catch. He'll be used mainly as a GL stuffer and spelling Hunt when he returns whenever that happens.
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04-02-2019, 08:26 AM	#16
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Browns offense is loaded I think new Browns HC Freddie Kitchens stated it best ... "We’re better on paper than we were last year,” Kitchens said, via Albert Breer of SI.com. “That doesn’t mean anything other than, we’re better on paper". Time will tell though. jeanpierre and Beastmode like this.

04-03-2019, 10:02 PM	#17
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: Browns offense is loaded RB are inter-changeable. You could have Barry Sanders as your RB and still not win many games as long as your quarterback is below average and your passing offense is subpar (Sanders had 2 years of his whole career where the Lions offense was decent and had good QB play - 1994 and 1995. Still didn't win a playoff game). Just look at how Barkley's big rushing numbers with the Giants didn't translate to an improved passing offense because Eli Manning is still a washed up mediocre quarterback. Too much emphasis is put on RBs. Mayfield's Y/A was 7.7 last year as a rookie. The QB in Green Bay who set a record for number of times throwing the ball out of bounds to protect his precious, holy TD/INT ratio last year had a 7.4 Y/A. Mayfield also had a significantly lower sack percentage than Rodgers. If Mayfield can improve as a passer in his sophomore year, it won't matter who he's handing the ball off to. They'll survive during Hunt's suspension if their passing offense is clicking. I agree that their biggest problem is going to see how they handle pressure moving forward and with higher expectations. jeanpierre likes this.

04-04-2019, 01:17 AM	#18
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Browns offense is loaded Originally Posted by Beastmode They don't go get Hunt if they thought Chubb was the total package. Chubb wasn't the starter until close to the halfway point. Browns are trying to re-create the Chiefs. I still say too many egos. I like Chubb, good RB but it's hard to win without a great pass catching back which he is not other than one flashy catch. He'll be used mainly as a GL stuffer and spelling Hunt when he returns whenever that happens. Contraire, mon frère, this is a copy-cat league and the Saints have shown the perfect blue-print of what an offense can do with a two-man dynamic running back offense... To rotate uber athletes like Chubb & Hunt every three snaps on a drive while defenses stay out on the field, fatiguing because of a lack of depth few teams in the salary cap age can assemble - that is huge...

04-05-2019, 11:17 AM	#19
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Browns offense is loaded Morgan Burnett jumps from the Steelers to the Browns. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...to-the-browns/

04-19-2019, 12:43 PM	#20
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: Browns offense is loaded This is Cleveland's schedule - Titans At Jets (Monday Night) Rams (Sunday Night) At Ravens At 49ers (Monday Night) Seattle BYE At New England (3 PM) At Denver (3 PM) Bills Steelers (Thursday Night) Dolphins At Steelers (3 PM) Bengals At Cardinals (3 PM) Ravens At Bengals Interesting to see that Cleveland managed to get a Sunday night game this year. It's been over 10 years since they last played on SNF. I highlighted the 3 PM games cause those are prim etime slots. Looks like the Browns really are getting the hype and people believe in them, as evidence from the SNF slot and their many prime time games. Hard to really make any predictions on the schedule yet, but it does look like 10-6 is possible.