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this is a discussion within the NOLA Community Forum; I think the nation has a misunderstanding of Saints' fans. Everyone is talking like Saints' fans only live in New Orleans, which totally isn't true. Saints have tons and tons of fans throughout the state of Louisiana. However, it doesn't ...

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Old 09-06-2005, 01:40 AM   #81
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I think the nation has a misunderstanding of Saints' fans. Everyone is talking like Saints' fans only live in New Orleans, which totally isn't true. Saints have tons and tons of fans throughout the state of Louisiana. However, it doesn't seem like any reporters care about that. It seems that they think since New Orleans is gone there is no fan base left. And if the evacuees can't make the game, no-one else is going to make it. The fact is, there are plenty of season ticket holders throughout the entire state! Why do they disregard that?
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Old 09-06-2005, 10:37 AM   #82
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Well not just in the State... its weird but I have ran into Saints fans in Baltimore and CA. Some have never been to the State of LA nor have any ties there. I am hearing the Saints are not making any permenant moves. They are looking at 3 senerios, 1 playing in Baton Roughe, 2 San Antonio, and 3 playing all home games this year on the road. I am personally ok with Saints playing home games in Texas this year due to all they have assited the city with. Benson isn't looking at moving the team and many agree that the Saints will play a huge part in rebuilding the city. Also... the huge potential of being the NFL's darlings this year, being a team with such hardship and without a home for the most part.

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Old 09-06-2005, 04:05 PM   #83
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I believe both the people of New Orleans and the government are at fault.

Absolutely the government should have been prepared for the worst case scenario, but this just wasn't the case. You take a look 3, 4, 5 days after the hurricane and then you see buses come in to take people out. This should have been done the Saturday and Sunday prior to Katrina. This was a mandatory evacuation and the city had no plan. This is the government's fault along with not having troops and aid there right after everything went down. We are busy worrying about every other countries problem and we did a horrible job at addressing our own. Did the U.S. really realize how much this city means to our economy?

A friend of mines had 7 of his friends go back to Jefferson parish to check on their houses, and only 1 made it back alive. They were shot and killed being robbed while making it back to their respective homes. If the city was no going to ensure the safety of the people going back to Jefferson parish, why would you let people back into the city? I have countless stories of friends of friends who either have been killed or robbed going back. Where are these troops? Why aren't there more people patroling the streets?

One thing I find very ignorant is seeing these African American teens on CNN dusting off their shoulders and throwing gang signs behind reporters while they are doing the their broadcast. If you've paid attention to these little things, you'd wonder what are parents and teachers are teaching their kids. This is not a time for this and it irritates the crap out of me when I see it. This isn't a Cash Money video and it makes people stero-type the African American race.

Like I said it's not only the governments fault. Even if I only had 60 dollars in my pocket and a crappy car, I still would have done everything in my power to get my family out of New Orleans. A lot of these people probably have evacuated before and found it not neccessary to though this time. I mean every other time they've probably had to evacuate, nothing happened. A mandatory evacuation was issued and a lot of people just didn't take it seriously enough. I've seen tons and tons of cars in the projects under water on TV. Are you telling me none of those cars could have made it out? A lot of people trapped in these universities and homes chose to ride out the storm thinking it would be no big deal. They could have easily car pooled or caught a bus out of town. Whether they were just being cheap or whether they thought nothing would happen to their house because nothing ever does, they are also at fault.

Both are equal at fault for not doing what they could to get out of New Orleans. The government is completely at fault for not having the manpower/aid present their after the storm for whatever reason. It sucks all of these things have happened to my hometown, but I agree nothing will be solved by pointing fingers. There is nothing that we can do to change what happened. Its time to move on and start over. From what I've heard, Texas along with a few other states have done an absolutely fabolous job treating the refugees. We just need to be fortunate we still have our families and our lives. With two hands and two feet, there is no where to look but up. No point on dwelling in the past. Let's just house a couple of years from now when New Orleans is fully operational again along with our cities that were hit hard, if this event were to happen again, there will not be an identical result.
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Well this is just blowing up now... I have heard reports but didn't believe them until Fox is just reporting it as well now. becareful when we say government we need to be more specific, mayor, govenor, federal... apparentyly Bush called Blanco to have her sign off on a bill that would send federal troops in 2 days before the hurricane hit. She refused, she didn't communicate an appropriate response with the mayor of New orleans either. The mayor said mandatory evacuation and didn't back it up. Whats the point of a mandatory evac and not mandate it. The feds were telling them and they did nothing and refused help. THAT FREAKIN Gove/beeeaoch... needs to be held accountable. The whole debate of giving the Saints a new place to play may have to happen now that the dome maybe deemed a condemed building.

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Old 09-07-2005, 12:31 AM   #85
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I warned people over and over again about Blanco. She had no campaign, no stance on anything. The only thing she said was "I'm a cajun woman." She had some french band record a song for her political commercials. It was absolutely rediculous.

Bobby Jindal was all about business. He destroyed Blanco on the televised debate, but it didn't matter. All Louisiana could pay attention to was Blanco is a typical Cajun woman and Bobby Jindal looks like an "Arab."

I really can not see how she won. Jindal was such the logical choice. Blanco didn't even compare. Are we really that foolish? This state completely fell for her complete lack-of-substance campaign.

I remember distinctly she said she wanted to improve education for all. As soon as she got elected, tuition to Louisiana colleges shot up.

Blah.

I'm sorry you guys.
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Old 09-07-2005, 12:34 AM   #86
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On a more positive note, thank god for that Oil Museum she built for us. And that annual hot air baloon festival, thats going to get Louisiana's economy back on its feat.
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Old 09-07-2005, 12:55 AM   #87
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I believe both the people of New Orleans and the government are at fault.
Let me work a couple of things here and see if this might play out in someones mind .

Now let's go back to Saturday the 27th .

The President issues a State of Emergency order to FEMA.

Emergency Aid Authorized For Hurricane Katrina Emergency Response In Louisiana


Release Date: August 27, 2005
Release Number: HQ-05-169

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary of Homeland Security for Emergency Preparedness and Response, today announced that Federal resources are being allocated to support emergency protective response efforts response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina.

Brown said President Bush authorized the aid under an emergency disaster declaration issued following a review of FEMA's analysis of the state's request for federal assistance. FEMA will mobilize equipment and resources necessary to protect public health and safety by assisting law enforcement with evacuations, establishing shelters, supporting emergency medical needs, meeting immediate lifesaving and life-sustaining human needs and protecting property, in addition to other emergency protective measures.

The parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn were designated eligible for assistance. In addition, federal funds will be available for public safety debris removal and emergency protective measures at 75 percent of approved costs.

Brown named William Lokey of FEMA to coordinate the federal relief effort. FEMA prepares the nation for all hazards and manages federal response and recovery efforts following any national incident. FEMA also initiates mitigation activities, trains first responders, works with state and local emergency managers, and manages the National Flood Insurance Program and the U.S. Fire Administration. FEMA became part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security on March 1, 2003.
Then we have the local level response :

Mandatory evacuation ordered for New Orleans


NEW ORLEANS (AP) — In the face of a catastrophic Hurricane Katrina, a mandatory evacuation was ordered Sunday for New Orleans by Mayor Ray Nagin.

Acknowledging that large numbers of people, many of them stranded tourists, would be unable to leave, the city set up 10 places of last resort for people to go, including the Superdome.

The mayor called the order unprecedented and said anyone who could leave the city should. He exempted hotels from the evacuation order because airlines had already cancelled all flights.

Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding.

"There doesn't seem to be any relief in sight," Blanco said.

She said Interstate 10, which was converted Saturday so that all lanes headed one-way out of town, was total gridlock.

"We are facing a storm that most of us have long feared," Nagin said.

The storm surge most likely could topple the city's levee system, which protect it from surrounding waters of Lake Pontchartrain, the Mississippi River and marshes, the mayor said. The bowl-shaped city must pump water out during normal times, and the hurricane threatened pump power.

Previous hurricanes evacuations in New Orleans were always voluntary, because so many people don't have the means of getting out. Some are too poor and there is always a French Quarter full of tourists who get caught.

"This is a once in a lifetime event," the mayor said. "The city of New Orleans has never seen a hurricane of this magnitude hit it directly," the mayor said.

He told those who had to move to the Superdome to come with enough food for several days and with blankets. He said it will be a very uncomfortable place and encouraged everybody who could to get out.

Nagin said police and firefighters would spread out throughout the city sounding sirens and using bullhorns to tell residents to get out. He also said police would have the authority to comandeer any vehicle or building that could be used for evacuation or shelter.

The Superdome was already taking in people with special problems. It opened about 8 a.m. and people on walkers, some with oxygen tanks, began checking in.
It is my opinion , that the Governor and Mayor could only say you need to evacuate , That FEMA would have been in direct control over where to . Let's go back to the FEMA directive and see :establishing shelters .

Given the unknown path of Katrina , it would be safe to say it would be hazardous even to bus people from New Orleans to Baton Rouge . If FEMA had established a location in Texas or even New Mexico to hold the evacuees at , the local officials could have boarded people on local buses and sent them there .

It is one thing to say everyone needs to get out your in danger . And another to say a meeting place has been designated by FEMA where local buses can take you if you cannot get out on your own .

FEMA had the order on Saturday and supposedly had run drills on worse case scenarios , so they knew the potential for danger.
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Old 09-07-2005, 11:14 AM   #88
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Brown needs to go no doubt... I think what is going to have to happen with the investigation is setting up a timeline. Granted New Orleans everyone thought dodged the bullet then BAM levee breaks there was really no sense of urgency in New Orleans until Tuesday when they realized the levee broke. So Fema seemed to have acted slowly in that reguard. But the local city and state government supposedly have plan and practice such event as the levee breaking but where was it.
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Nagin,Blanco,Brown, maybe even some other leaders will need to go. Time for a change in LA politics.
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Yeah I know Brown is with FEMA.
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