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Who Do YOU Side With?

this is a discussion within the Poli-Sci Community Forum; Originally Posted by Danno What you're saying is you'd rather force someone else to pay for feeding these kids. IMO thats not the Federal Governments responsibility. That should be the responsibility of local Governments, local communities and friends, neighbors and ...

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Old 08-27-2012, 09:54 PM   #11
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What you're saying is you'd rather force someone else to pay for feeding these kids. IMO thats not the Federal Governments responsibility. That should be the responsibility of local Governments, local communities and friends, neighbors and family.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. Thomas Jefferson
And I believe Jefferson is correct, but when you're talking about Children who cannot fend for themselves I believe THAT is an excellent job for Government. I don't care if it's local, state, or federal. I would not want to entrust it to friends, neighbors, or family. In many cases there is no family. What is a child in the heart of Oakland with no relatives supposed to do if his or her mother is more interested in Crack than her kids and Daddy left long ago? I could never say it should be left to friends and neighbors.

As I've said, I don't want such a program to be abused and so incentive to get people OFF such programs, rather than incentive to stay on them, is key. If there are better options, I'm all for them. Let's hear 'em. Let's discuss them. Let's push our politicians to enact them. This, in my opinion, is an excellent way for our leaders to spend their time. With what we give (without our having any say so in the matter) to people who are here illegally, there is no excuse for any of America's children to go hungry. None whatsoever.

You and I have agreed on most topics such as this over the years, and I'm sure we'll agree on many more, but I'm afraid on this one we may just have to agree to disagree.

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Old 08-28-2012, 11:22 AM   #12
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And I believe Jefferson is correct, but when you're talking about Children who cannot fend for themselves I believe THAT is an excellent job for Government. I don't care if it's local, state, or federal. I would not want to entrust it to friends, neighbors, or family. In many cases there is no family. What is a child in the heart of Oakland with no relatives supposed to do if his or her mother is more interested in Crack than her kids and Daddy left long ago? I could never say it should be left to friends and neighbors.

As I've said, I don't want such a program to be abused and so incentive to get people OFF such programs, rather than incentive to stay on them, is key. If there are better options, I'm all for them. Let's hear 'em. Let's discuss them. Let's push our politicians to enact them. This, in my opinion, is an excellent way for our leaders to spend their time. With what we give (without our having any say so in the matter) to people who are here illegally, there is no excuse for any of America's children to go hungry. None whatsoever.

You and I have agreed on most topics such as this over the years, and I'm sure we'll agree on many more, but I'm afraid on this one we may just have to agree to disagree.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, just pointing out that the Libertarian view is 180 deg out of phase with yours.

I don't want kids to go hungry, but when I hear there are already over 170 government programs that aid the poor, I have a hard time believing free breakfast and lunch are necessary at all.

Our school system is an even bigger failure than liberal policies and a free lunch and breakfast is wasteful (or redundant if you prefer).

It plays on heartstrings, and too many folks fall for it hook line and sinker. And trust me, after 3 years volunteering on a United Way Allocations Committee I know all about plucking those heartstrings in order to gain as much funding as possible.
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:32 PM   #13
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Is this some kind of G.O.P. trick? ... I took this bad boy three times and each time the results were basically the same, except the first time Ron Paul & Gary Johnson were flip-flopped, but in all cases, Mitt came out on top and Barack came out last ... "I swear I am not now, nor have I ever been, a card-carrying member of the Republican Party", ...
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Is this some kind of G.O.P. trick? ... I took this bad boy three times and each time the results were basically the same, except the first time Ron Paul & Gary Johnson were flip-flopped, but in all cases, Mitt came out on top and Barack came out last ... "I swear I am not now, nor have I ever been, a card-carrying member of the Republican Party", ...
Well you've already admitted to being a moderate (fiscally conservative and socially liberal)

Mitt Romney is basically that in a nutshell.

Your results don't surprise me at all.
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:46 PM   #15
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Well you've already admitted to being a moderate (physcally conservative and socially liberal)

Mitt Romney is basically that in a nutshell.

Your results don't surprise me at all.
Oh, ok, that makes it a little more palatable ... plus his daddy was once the governor of Michigan, so Mitt's more or less my homeboy ... different side of the tracks ... still don't know how it came out at 95% though, I didn't think I agreed with Romney on all that much.
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Oh, ok, that makes it a little more palatable ... plus his daddy was once the governor of Michigan, so Mitt's more or less my homeboy ... different side of the tracks ... still don't know how it came out at 95% though, I didn't think I agreed with Romney on all that much.
OMG I can't believe I spelled fiscally as physcally!!!

I could understand that if I was drunk, but sober???

I apologize profusely and promise to watch 4 hours of Jeopardy to make up for this embarrassment.

Xan may actually attempt to have me banned, and rightfully so.
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:59 PM   #17
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OMG I can't believe I spelled fiscally as physcally!!!

I could understand that if I was drunk, but sober???

I apologize profusely and promise to watch 4 hours of Jeopardy to make up for this embarrassment.

Xan may actually attempt to have me banned, and rightfully so.
Your mistake in THIS thread pales in comparison to the blasphemy Slomo committed in the other thread. You will be allowed to continue to live.
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:02 PM   #18
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Your mistake in THIS thread pales in comparison to the blasphemy Slomo committed in the other thread. You will be allowed to continue to live.
... oops! ... when the boyfriend comes around, it's time to go!, .
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