are you really comparing a city of a half a million people to an 8 state region? That comparison right there proves my statement about the south.

Relevant info? Hilarious. Show me ONE relevant fact in his posts that disproves my original statement. Seriously, wade through the rhetoric and off-topic rambling and find those facts Dan.

You probably didn't know it, but the crux of the argument is that I contend that racism is more prevalent in the south; he says it is not.
Happy reading.

No sir. Any reasonable person will know that is not what I'm doing. I'm trying to establish for you that what you think is not reality. Again I'm not suggesting that racism doesn't exist. Of course it does - all over the world, but it's not just white against black. In many cases now it is black against white, and in fact where our government once fostered racism against blacks, it is now doing so against whites. I could make a real case that the most prominent area for racism in this country is Washington D.C. I could name for you any number of policies that are blatantly racist by their very nature.

Clearly you aren't going to give any credibility to what I'm trying to tell you. That's unfortunate. The things we were taught in school were half truths and in some case pure lies and propaganda. I'm not saying racism didn't exist. I'm saying there's so much more to the story - things that can be discovered and explored so easily today thanks to all the information that is readily available to us without ever leaving home. The racism in the North before, during, and after the Civil war, the myths about the number of Slaves in America, or that this country was built through slave labor - please don't rely on the history books we all read in grade school. Dig deeper. Don't hate a man or label him because he flies a Confederate flag. He might be a racist, or he might be a man who is proud of his heritage or the life a family member may have given when this country was at war with itself - or maybe he's protesting the brutal treatment of WHITE Americans BY WHITE AMERICANS after that war...

You can't possibly know why unless you ask him, and just because you are offended by his symbol of choice doesn't make him a racist or a bad man. It does, however, say something about the man who could care less about HIS interpretation in favor of your own.

Are you Roger Goodell? You can't just make something up and then force someone to disprove it! Dude!

You said the South is more racist than any other area in this country. I say, okay, PROVE IT. Now you're saying I have to disprove what you have said otherwise it is true?

It's like the Chewbaca defense - the "Roger Goodell" defense. You could write a Michelle Obama-like thesis but you can't prove that racism is more prevalent in the South than elsewhere.

Be careful, because if we're talking racism, and if we're really going to be skin color neutral (in other words we have to deal with racism in all its forms across the entire country where race is used against anyone, regardless of color or heritage), the Federal Government is going to be the only place I have to look. You spend your time browsing around through the liberal press and posting that stuff. I'll head straight to the law.

From where I'm sitting, your comments about the Confederate Flag make you the most racist person in this thread by a long shot.

and apparently you aren't going to give any credibility to what I am saying- that this isn't about slavery, racism in the North before or after the war, textbooks or what Michael Moore thinks. My statement was about racism, today, in the south.

As for 'asking him' about his flag, I have had that conversation many times, albeit rarely have I initiated it. Usually it starts with something like, "You don't sound like you're from around here--do you have any relatives you fought in the war of Northern aggression?"
Or there was my first Super Bowl party in Atlanta- I went home at half-time, before Janet's wardrobe malfunction. Another attendee used the N-word 4 or 5 times when describing the rapper who was on before Janet. When I looked at him, he replied "You're in the south now boy, get used to it." I left.
Or, (last one, indulge me. I read your whole posts) there was the teacher orientation meeting where the presenter told the Indian and black teachers not to cook 'their' food in the staff microwaves because the smell might offend some people. The white principal just sat there.

I am sure you can cite numerous examples as well. My point is this: racism did not die 150 years ago like you posted, and you're wrong about what that flag means to the people who still fly it. They live for the days when 'The South Will Rise Again'

Once again, if that flag is offensive to you then it is offensive to you, for your own reasons. It is not racist. Because there are people who have chosen to use it to further their own racist agenda does not make it so.

I'm not gonna get into your whole conversation but one thing stuck out to me.



You could compare the confederate flag to the swastika flags of Nazi Germany, both are symbols for bad things humans has done to each other. There were no coincident that all states forming the Confederate States of America were slave states, ending slavery was one of the big war goals for the Northern side (Emancipation Proclamation etc). It would be hard for anybody not to see how the confederate flag in many peoples eyes would be closely linked to slavery. And you will have a very hard time convincing me that slavery and racism doesn't go hand in hand.

The swastika, or sun cross, is an ancient symbol represnting among other things fortune and good health, used all over the world, in the early 1900 an up until 1933 it was part of the swedish company ASEA (now a part of ABB), something that would be considered completely inappropriate today. In Germany and Austria the symbol is outright banned and in other countries like my native Sweden its criminal misdemeanour to publicly display the Swastika and related symbols.

I'm not jewish and my family were not affected by the Third Reich but I still have no poblem to understand why flags with the swastika is offensive to a whole lot of people. I'm not saying that the situation with the confederate flag and the nazi German flag is the same but I can see the similarities.

I'm not gonna get into your whole conversation but one thing stuck out to me.



You could compare the confederate flag to the swastika flags of Nazi Germany, both are symbols for bad things humans has done to each other. There were no coincident that all states forming the Confederate States of America were slave states, ending slavery was one of the big war goals for the Northern side (Emancipation Proclamation etc). It would be hard for anybody not to see how the confederate flag in many peoples eyes would be closely linked to slavery. And you will have a very hard time convincing me that slavery and racism doesn't go hand in hand.

The swastika, or sun cross, is an ancient symbol represnting among other things fortune and good health, used all over the world, in the early 1900 an up until 1933 it was part of the swedish company ASEA (now a part of ABB), something that would be considered completely inappropriate today. In Germany and Austria the symbol is outright banned and in other countries like my native Sweden its criminal misdemeanour to publicly display the Swastika and related symbols.

I'm not jewish and my family were not affected by the Third Reich but I still have no poblem to understand why flags with the swastika is offensive to a whole lot of people. I'm not saying that the situation with the confederate flag and the nazi German flag is the same but I can see the similarities.

I will say then that I am not, nor have I ever been in the favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races . . . There must be a position of superior and inferior, and I... am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race ... I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position that the negroe should be deprived everything.