The 1% and the 47%

Cruize · 09-25-2012, 06:32 AM

SloMotion · 09-27-2012, 04:56 AM

Let me ask you guys this, without starting a big argument ... how do the Democrats feel about Pres. Obama having a lower tax rate then his secretary and why isn't he lumped in there with Romney & the 1% when raising this issue?

I would think that by pointing this out and Obama calling for change in the tax codes that would directly impact him & the 1%, it would make a huge statement to the American taxpayer and show just how serious the Dems are.

As it is, when I see them raising an issue, focusing on only one side of the issue and not really addressing any resolution to the issue, it leaves me blank ... the Repubs do it too, but honestly, it seems to be SOP more with the Dems, or maybe the Repubs just give them more to work with,

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Cruize · 09-27-2012, 05:57 AM

What's more puzzling to me is how so many Republicans, most of whom are included in the 47% their hero spoke of, will continually vote against their own self interests. Isn't the whole point of electing someone to be your representive being that they will fight for you and represent your wishes and interests? Most of those in Washington does EXACTLY the opposite. And they do so with the full knowledge that a guaranteed 45% of Americans are going to vote for them regardless of what they do. If it wasn't so sad it would be funny.

SloMotion · 09-27-2012, 06:08 AM

Thanks for not answering my question. I voted third party last election and I'll probably do so again because I really don't see that big of a difference between Romney/Obama and I know neither one necessarily represents me or my interests.

I'm out.

Cruize · 09-27-2012, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Let me ask you guys this, without starting a big argument ... how do the Democrats feel about Pres. Obama having a lower tax rate then his secretary and why isn't he lumped in there with Romney & the 1% when raising this issue?

---It is his policy. He says "guys like me" should pay their fair share in regards to taxes. That is his very argument.

I would think that by pointing this out and Obama calling for change in the tax codes that would directly impact him & the 1%, it would make a huge statement to the American taxpayer and show just how serious the Dems are.

---It does. It's one of the reasons he's up in the polls.

As it is, when I see them raising an issue, focusing on only one side of the issue and not really addressing any resolution to the issue, it leaves me blank ... the Repubs do it too, but honestly, it seems to be SOP more with the Dems, or maybe the Repubs just give them more to work with, .

---I guess you just haven't watched or paid attention to his speeches. I honestly assumed your question was rhetorical. You seem very bright.

saintfan · 09-27-2012, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

Let me ask you guys this, without starting a big argument ... how do the Democrats feel about Pres. Obama having a lower tax rate then his secretary and why isn't he lumped in there with Romney & the 1% when raising this issue?

I would think that by pointing this out and Obama calling for change in the tax codes that would directly impact him & the 1%, it would make a huge statement to the American taxpayer and show just how serious the Dems are.

As it is, when I see them raising an issue, focusing on only one side of the issue and not really addressing any resolution to the issue, it leaves me blank ... the Repubs do it too, but honestly, it seems to be SOP more with the Dems, or maybe the Repubs just give them more to work with, .

It may the latter there Slomo. LOL The Republicans are so out of touch they can't even beat Obama when it's pretty clear half the country isn't very impressed.

But you make a good point. I don't know if it's just because they are completely inept as a party or if they reason that picking up that rock and throwing it back at the Democrats brings them down to that level. I honestly don't know but I wonder the same thing.

You know - if we could do it all over again, wouldn't the tax code have been the better place to start? Seems to me the health care stuff should have been a secondary project, but since those changes don't truly affect our politicians - and since we know an improved tax code surely would - I guess I have my answer...

SloMotion · 09-27-2012, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Cruize

---I guess you just haven't watched or paid attention to his speeches. I honestly assumed your question was rhetorical. You seem very bright.

I don't ... I've found the worst possible way to determine a politician's position on anything is to watch them speak ... and I am bright, just not 'fast',

SmashMouth · 09-27-2012, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

But you make a good point. I don't know if it's just because they are completely inept as a party or if they reason that picking up that rock and throwing it back at the Democrats brings them down to that level. I honestly don't know but I wonder the same thing.

You know - if we could do it all over again, wouldn't the tax code have been the better place to start? Seems to me the health care stuff should have been a secondary project, but since those changes don't truly affect our politicians - and since we know an improved tax code surely would - I guess I have my answer...

Probably a combination ... their lack of aggressiveness is befuddling at times. It's not like Obama did absolutely nothing wrong to talk about, right? Reagan was seemingly more adroit at handling the left. Perhaps we will see something in the debates.

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09-27-2012, 04:56 AM	#2
SloMotion Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: the Motor City Posts: 2,916 Blog Entries: 15	Re: The 1% and the 47% Let me ask you guys this, without starting a big argument ... how do the Democrats feel about Pres. Obama having a lower tax rate then his secretary and why isn't he lumped in there with Romney & the 1% when raising this issue? I would think that by pointing this out and Obama calling for change in the tax codes that would directly impact him & the 1%, it would make a huge statement to the American taxpayer and show just how serious the Dems are. As it is, when I see them raising an issue, focusing on only one side of the issue and not really addressing any resolution to the issue, it leaves me blank ... the Repubs do it too, but honestly, it seems to be SOP more with the Dems, or maybe the Repubs just give them more to work with, . Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!
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09-27-2012, 05:57 AM	#3
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,105	Re: The 1% and the 47% What's more puzzling to me is how so many Republicans, most of whom are included in the 47% their hero spoke of, will continually vote against their own self interests. Isn't the whole point of electing someone to be your representive being that they will fight for you and represent your wishes and interests? Most of those in Washington does EXACTLY the opposite. And they do so with the full knowledge that a guaranteed 45% of Americans are going to vote for them regardless of what they do. If it wasn't so sad it would be funny. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!
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09-27-2012, 06:08 AM	#4
SloMotion Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: the Motor City Posts: 2,916 Blog Entries: 15	Re: The 1% and the 47% Thanks for not answering my question. I voted third party last election and I'll probably do so again because I really don't see that big of a difference between Romney/Obama and I know neither one necessarily represents me or my interests. I'm out. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!

09-27-2012, 10:06 AM	#5
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,105	Re: The 1% and the 47% Originally Posted by SloMotion Let me ask you guys this, without starting a big argument ... how do the Democrats feel about Pres. Obama having a lower tax rate then his secretary and why isn't he lumped in there with Romney & the 1% when raising this issue? ---It is his policy. He says "guys like me" should pay their fair share in regards to taxes. That is his very argument. I would think that by pointing this out and Obama calling for change in the tax codes that would directly impact him & the 1%, it would make a huge statement to the American taxpayer and show just how serious the Dems are. ---It does. It's one of the reasons he's up in the polls. As it is, when I see them raising an issue, focusing on only one side of the issue and not really addressing any resolution to the issue, it leaves me blank ... the Repubs do it too, but honestly, it seems to be SOP more with the Dems, or maybe the Repubs just give them more to work with, . ---I guess you just haven't watched or paid attention to his speeches. I honestly assumed your question was rhetorical. You seem very bright. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!
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09-27-2012, 11:19 AM	#6
saintfan Site Donor Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 9,563 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The 1% and the 47% Originally Posted by SloMotion Let me ask you guys this, without starting a big argument ... how do the Democrats feel about Pres. Obama having a lower tax rate then his secretary and why isn't he lumped in there with Romney & the 1% when raising this issue? I would think that by pointing this out and Obama calling for change in the tax codes that would directly impact him & the 1%, it would make a huge statement to the American taxpayer and show just how serious the Dems are. As it is, when I see them raising an issue, focusing on only one side of the issue and not really addressing any resolution to the issue, it leaves me blank ... the Repubs do it too, but honestly, it seems to be SOP more with the Dems, or maybe the Repubs just give them more to work with, . It may the latter there Slomo. LOL The Republicans are so out of touch they can't even beat Obama when it's pretty clear half the country isn't very impressed. But you make a good point. I don't know if it's just because they are completely inept as a party or if they reason that picking up that rock and throwing it back at the Democrats brings them down to that level. I honestly don't know but I wonder the same thing. You know - if we could do it all over again, wouldn't the tax code have been the better place to start? Seems to me the health care stuff should have been a secondary project, but since those changes don't truly affect our politicians - and since we know an improved tax code surely would - I guess I have my answer... Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!
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09-27-2012, 03:20 PM	#7
SloMotion Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: the Motor City Posts: 2,916 Blog Entries: 15	Re: The 1% and the 47% Originally Posted by Cruize ---I guess you just haven't watched or paid attention to his speeches. I honestly assumed your question was rhetorical. You seem very bright. I don't ... I've found the worst possible way to determine a politician's position on anything is to watch them speak ... and I am bright, just not 'fast', Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!

09-27-2012, 03:34 PM	#8
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 14,393 Blog Entries: 22	Re: The 1% and the 47% Originally Posted by saintfan But you make a good point. I don't know if it's just because they are completely inept as a party or if they reason that picking up that rock and throwing it back at the Democrats brings them down to that level. I honestly don't know but I wonder the same thing. You know - if we could do it all over again, wouldn't the tax code have been the better place to start? Seems to me the health care stuff should have been a secondary project, but since those changes don't truly affect our politicians - and since we know an improved tax code surely would - I guess I have my answer... Probably a combination ... their lack of aggressiveness is befuddling at times. It's not like Obama did absolutely nothing wrong to talk about, right? Reagan was seemingly more adroit at handling the left. Perhaps we will see something in the debates. Share Share this post on Digg Reddit! Twitter! Facebook!

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