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this is a discussion within the Poli-Sci Community Forum; US jobless rate falls to 7.8 pct., 44-month low - Yahoo! Finance Despite Republican obstructionism the President and the Democrats move our nation forward....
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Unemployment Falls
US jobless rate falls to 7.8 pct., 44-month low - Yahoo! Finance
Despite Republican obstructionism the President and the Democrats move our nation forward. |
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Re: Unemployment Falls
Originally Posted by Cruize
That is great news the numbers are falling. Factoring in Americans who have dropped off the rolls due to the expiration of benefits, underemployed, and/or quit looking, the real rate is still in the double digits as elicited by numerous sources. Forbes lists it at near 15%. Romney Slams Lowest Unemployment Rate Since 2009, Calling It 'Not A Real Recovery' - Forbes
Still good news to hear... and this is despite Obummer and his policies. It is not coincidental, btw, that the states faring the best in terms of lower employment numbers, many of which are swing states, are led by Republican governors. It is rather interesting that the President would attempt to take credit for something that a governor actually accomplished. I just wonder why he is not taking credit for his woeful performance the other night; we are hearing many excuses instead. btw... all of the reported numbers have been adjusted subsequently throughout Obama's term. Yes, that means when the "official numbers" are released as they were today, they actually are off. A corrected number is quietly released a later date. To date it has proven to be less than half a point difference, give or take... and heretofore during PRESBO's term it has reflected negatively. In addition, these latest numbers are "seasonally adjusted". That means this: What is a "Seasonal Adjustment"? Although it does appear to be a positive trend, in reality the number reflects about the same as last month with all of the factors considered. | |
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Re: Unemployment Falls
In the homestretch of a presidential race where every minute shift in the economy can translate into potential votes, both campaigns took aim Friday at the Labor Department's estimate that the jobless rate fell below 8 percent for the first time in nearly four years.
President Obama's team touted the numbers as a sign the economy is improving. Mitt Romney, along with several economists, expressed deep skepticism about the report. The data even elicited a conspiracy theory from former General Electric CEO Jack Welch, who tweeted: "Unbelievable jobs numbers..these Chicago guys will do anything..can't debate so change numbers." The Labor Department reported that the rate dipped in September from 8.1 percent to 7.8 percent. It was a glimmer of good news for Obama, who's trying to recover from a disappointing debate performance and whose central argument is that the economy is moving in the right direction. "This morning, we found out that the unemployment rate has fallen to its lowest level since I took office," Obama said at a Virginia rally Friday. "It's a reminder that this country has come too far to turn back now. ... We've made too much progress to return to the policies that led to the crisis in the first place." But skeptics pointed out that not only is 7.8 percent unemployment hardly a "real recovery," but the report reflected an uptick in part-time jobs and the number of self-employed. Further, they stressed that there appeared to be a huge disconnect between the modest number of new jobs reported and the significant decrease in the unemployment rate. The Labor Department, based on a broad survey of employers, said 114,000 jobs were added in September. But the unemployment rate itself is based on a separate "household survey," which showed a whopping 873,000 new jobs in September. "This must be an anomaly," former Congressional Budget Office director Doug Holtz-Eakin said in a snap analysis of the numbers. "It is out of line with any of the other data.." Holtz-Eakin noted the household survey is smaller, suggesting it is not as reliable. He called estimate of 873,000 new jobs "implausible." He said the report was otherwise "solid," but reflected "the economy is merely moving sideways." Liberal economist Dean Baker, with the Center for Economic and Policy Research, called the September rate drop "almost certainly a statistical fluke." "It is common to have large monthly changes in the employment numbers that are not consistent with other economic data. For example, employment reportedly rose by 649,000 in November of 2007, the month before the recession began," he said in a statement. "Still, this month's numbers almost certainly indicate that the unemployment rate is moving downward, even if the speed is considerably slower than the latest data indicate." Romney's campaign quickly pointed out the number of people who have left the workforce has also helped keep the jobless rate down. "This is not what a real recovery looks like. We created fewer jobs in September than in August, and fewer jobs in August than in July, and we've lost over 600,000 manufacturing jobs since President Obama took office," Romney said in a statement. "If not for all the people who have simply dropped out of the labor force, the real unemployment rate would be closer to 11 percent." The recovery has been tepid, but the president is trying to show that it's at least improving. The Labor Department report showed the economy created 86,000 more jobs in July and August than first estimated. Wages rose in September and more people started looking for work. The revisions also show employers added 146,000 jobs per month from July through September, up from 67,000 in the previous three months. Still, the 2012 average of 146,000 jobs per month remains lower than last year's average of 153,000 jobs per month. The monthly numbers are subject to change. Voters will see one final jobless report on Nov. 2, just days before the election. The increase in September was due in part to employment growth in the health care and transportation sectors. The unemployment rate fell from 8.1 percent in August, matching its level in January 2009, when Obama took office. The decline could help Obama, who is coming off a disappointing debate performance against Romney. Stock futures rose modestly after the report. Dow Jones industrial average futures, up 30 points just before the report came out, were up 45 points after it was released. The job market has been improving, sluggishly but steadily. Jobs have been added for 24 straight months. There are now 325,000 more than when Obama took office. Still, many of the jobs added last month were part time. The number of people with part-time jobs who wanted full-time work rose 7.5 percent to 8.6 million. The Associated Press contributed to this report. Read more: Labor report reflecting falling jobless rate stirs campaign firestorm | Fox News | |
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Re: Unemployment Falls
Originally Posted by Cruize
There hasn't been any obstructionism. Clueless again.
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Anybody who believes we just added almost a million jobs this close to the election after the President just got his ass handed to him in the first debate - THE LARGEST MONTH-TO-MONTH INCREASE IN NINE YEARS -
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Re: Unemployment Falls
Wanna bet a whole lot of folks believe that crap?
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Re: Unemployment Falls
Total unenployment might have decreased but people with only a part time job has increased so there are still major problems to be dealt with.
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Re: Unemployment Falls
I haven't seen an election yet where 30-days before miraculous solutions to the issues of the day don't happen, ie fuel prices drop, unemployment lowers, economy picks up, et...
I don't need a 'jobs report' to let me know how unemployment is doing, I can walk out my front door and see the labor situation firsthand. The SloMotion jobs/labor report does not necessarily agree with these latest statistics. To look at these numbers as any kind of a victory or indication of success is a little shortsighted, IMO. |
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