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Go On Strike and We'll Close the Plant.

this is a discussion within the Poli-Sci Community Forum; Originally Posted by halloween 65 And the flip side of the coin, management puts all those people out of work instead of giving them a small raise, sad, sad day to be a working man in todays world!! They didn't ...

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Old 11-16-2012, 11:45 AM   #21
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And the flip side of the coin, management puts all those people out of work instead of giving them a small raise, sad, sad day to be a working man in todays world!!
They didn't have the money halloween. They were in bankruptcy. That means the company is being reorganized, so that it can be operated more effieciently and make a profit. These people didn't give a rats ass about their company. All they wanted was more money. Now they have NO money. ALL companies are in business to make a profit. Businesses are not in business to provide a bunch of lazy ingrates a job. If the people don't want to work for what is offered them, then they don't work. It's that simple. You guys just want every company to be like the Post Office. Employees just show up for work, get a life time pension, get lifetime benifits, and the company loses billions of dollars every year. Sorry, that's not how the real worl works. It only works for government subsidized businesses, like the Post Office. Those government subsidies are MY money and your money. It pisses me off to have to pay it. It should piss you off too.
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Old 11-16-2012, 01:07 PM   #22
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Well, the article states that it is based in Irving, Texas. And of course, Texas is one of those right-to-work states. They must be dealing with multiple unions in multiple states. The article also states it is not their first rodeo with Chapter 11. The company was likely on the brink anyway for likely a plethora of reasons, not the least of which were the overburdening costs associated with all of the unions they were dealing with.
Yeah, that's what I thought, Hostess was already hemorrhaging before the threat to strike, the union not willing to accept concessions was just the last straw.

Oh well, the unions are going to have to realize not every corporation/industry is going to get the big government bailout like GM & start going along or risk losing their jobs. I guess we just need cars more than we do Twinkies, .

I'm gonna' miss my fruit pies & ding-dongs from the local day-old Hostess Outlet, even if they sell their assets & someone else makes 'em, they'll never be the same, .

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Old 11-16-2012, 01:12 PM   #23
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... and no sooner do I finish posting that, do I see this :

America’s biggest retailer may be in for an unexpectedly painful holiday season. Protesting low wages, spiking health care premiums, and alleged retaliation from management, Wal-Mart Stores workers have started to walk off the job this week. First, on Wednesday, about a dozen workers in Wal-Mart’s distribution warehouses in Southern California walked out, followed the next day by 30 more from six stores in the Seattle area.

Wal-Mart Workers' Black Friday Strike - Yahoo! Finance
WTF is going on?!?! ... is it class-goddang-warfare?
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Old 11-16-2012, 01:57 PM   #24
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... and no sooner do I finish posting that, do I see this :



WTF is going on?!?! ... is it class-goddang-warfare?
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Old 11-16-2012, 02:14 PM   #25
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I wish I could push the "Like" button 5 Zillion times on this one. Good post Sarge!
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Old 11-16-2012, 04:53 PM   #26
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Yeah, that's what I thought, Hostess was already hemorrhaging before the threat to strike, the union not willing to accept concessions was just the last straw.

Oh well, the unions are going to have to realize not every corporation/industry is going to get the big government bailout like GM & start going along or risk losing their jobs. I guess we just need cars more than we do Twinkies, .

I'm gonna' miss my fruit pies & ding-dongs from the local day-old Hostess Outlet, even if they sell their assets & someone else makes 'em, they'll never be the same, .
Time after time in big buisness upper management missuses the profits they have made over the years and Hostest has been around since I can remember, I don't understand why someone like the working man gets blamed for upper management mishandling funds, neglecting to put up money that should go back in the buisness that goes into their pocket. They want cheap labor(slave labor) without good conditions and maybe thats o.k. for some but what happens when someone gets old, they get replaced and a check. To me that is crazy, to work all your life to come out with nothing, to end up on food stamps and let the government dictate every thing to someone. I don't agree with everything the Union leaders do but as a working man in my trade if it were not for the Union I would not be able to provide the way of life the way I have been very fortunate to provide. The companys have more power than one thinks and for someone like Hostess to fold it's far more than Union labor that put them there, thats just a small portion of their problem.
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... The companys have more power than one thinks and for someone like Hostess to fold it's far more than Union labor that put them there, thats just a small portion of their problem.
Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at, it seems like Hostess was already going under and a work stoppage was more then they could handle. Detroit is a union town, I've been in a few and I see a lot of good & bad with the union, but thinking of the abuses I've endured at the hands of non-union employers, I'd hate to see them go away.

Maybe the unions, like the Republican Party, need to reinvent themselves and find a better way to get their message across, eh?
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Time after time in big buisness upper management missuses the profits they have made over the years and Hostest has been around since I can remember,
How do they "misuse profits"? Its their business isn't it? Its their money, not yours.

I don't understand why someone like the working man gets blamed for upper management mishandling funds, neglecting to put up money that should go back in the buisness that goes into their pocket.
The working man gets blamed for demanding more than they are worth. A real working man is compensated exactly whats he's worth, or he should find employment elsewhere at a company that will pay him what he's worth.

They want cheap labor (slave labor) without good conditions
No they don't. They want to make a profit and pay their employees a fair competitive wage.


but what happens when someone gets old, they get replaced and a check. To me that is crazy, to work all your life to come out with nothing, to end up on food stamps
If someone is stupid enough to not save money for retirement and even stupider to think an employer must take care of them their whole life because they didn't save for retirement then thats the employees problem, not the employers problem.


The companys have more power than one thinks and for someone like Hostess to fold it's far more than Union labor that put them there, thats just a small portion of their problem.
I think its much more than a small portion.
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Time after time in big buisness upper management missuses the profits they have made over the years and Hostest has been around since I can remember, I don't understand why someone like the working man gets blamed for upper management mishandling funds, neglecting to put up money that should go back in the buisness that goes into their pocket. They want cheap labor(slave labor) without good conditions and maybe thats o.k. for some but what happens when someone gets old, they get replaced and a check. To me that is crazy, to work all your life to come out with nothing, to end up on food stamps and let the government dictate every thing to someone. I don't agree with everything the Union leaders do but as a working man in my trade if it were not for the Union I would not be able to provide the way of life the way I have been very fortunate to provide. The companys have more power than one thinks and for someone like Hostess to fold it's far more than Union labor that put them there, thats just a small portion of their problem.
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They want cheap labor(slave labor) without good conditions and maybe thats o.k. for some but what happens when someone gets old, they get replaced and a check. To me that is crazy, to work all your life to come out with nothing, to end up on food stamps and let the government dictate every thing to someone.
You think they were making their workers perform in slave labor conditions?

Seriously?

Let me inform you - This was a problem with the baker's union - managing 5000 of the over 18500 who lost their jobs. The Teamsters Union, representing over 6000 of the 18500 who lost their jobs, actually approved the deal which was ultimately going to replace 4% of the 8% initially lost. It was a deal that was going to give the company some wiggle room to right the ship. Those amazingly selfish 5000 baker's union employees killed the golden goose.

8%, of which 4% was guaranteed, AND they offered profit sharing. So the Union members were going to get a equity stake in the company, and the Board was going to place two union reps on the Board of Directors.

So they were going to lose a hundred bucks a paycheck give or take, depending on their salaries which I am not aware, initially, and I grant you that can sting. But they were getting half of that back over 4 years, and the 25% equity stake was to offset the pension and insurance cuts - NOT eliminations mind you.

It was a fair deal given the times. Especially if that industry is as saturated as I'm to understand.

So that all-for-one union mentality? Well, the needs of the 5k outweighed the needs of the other 13.5k didn't it?

And they weren't working in 'slave' conditions. No, not by any stretch.

And you defend that?

Really? You do?

Well, I guess you can be among the righteous, and the righteous are lining up for food stamps as we speak, and they're forcing 13.5 thousand of their brothers and sisters into the same fate.

I cannot abide. I just can't. I don't see how anybody can.
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