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The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery

this is a discussion within the Poli-Sci Community Forum; The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says "State" instead of "Country" (the Framers knew the difference - see the 10th Amendment), was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary ...

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Old 01-17-2013, 02:08 AM   #1
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The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery

The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says "State" instead of "Country" (the Framers knew the difference - see the 10th Amendment), was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary to get Virginia's vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason, and James Madison were totally clear on that . . . and we all should be too.

In the beginning, there were the militias. In the South, they were also called the "slave patrols," and they were regulated by the states.

In Georgia, for example, a generation before the American Revolution, laws were passed in 1755 and 1757 that required all plantation owners or their male white employees to be members of the Georgia Militia, and for those armed militia members to make monthly inspections of the quarters of all slaves in the state. The law defined which counties had which armed militias and even required armed militia members to keep a keen eye out for slaves who may be planning uprisings.

As Dr. Carl T. Bogus wrote for the University of California Law Review in 1998, "The Georgia statutes required patrols, under the direction of commissioned militia officers, to examine every plantation each month and authorized them to search 'all Negro Houses for offensive Weapons and Ammunition' and to apprehend and give twenty lashes to any slave found outside plantation grounds."

It's the answer to the question raised by the character played by Leonardo DiCaprio in Django Unchained when he asks, "Why don't they just rise up and kill the whites?" If the movie were real, it would have been a purely rhetorical question, because every southerner of the era knew the simple answer: Well regulated militias kept the slaves in chains.

Sally E. Haden, in her book Slave Patrols: Law and Violence in Virginia and the Carolinas, notes that, "Although eligibility for the Militia seemed all-encompassing, not every middle-aged white male Virginian or Carolinian became a slave patroller." There were exemptions so "men in critical professions" like judges, legislators and students could stay at their work. Generally, though, she documents how most southern men between ages 18 and 45 - including physicians and ministers - had to serve on slave patrol in the militia at one time or another in their lives.

And slave rebellions were keeping the slave patrols busy.

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The Tenth Amendment is about ensuring the States' rights.

Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

About the Tenth Amendment – Tenth Amendment Center

This administration is usurping it and chipping away at it.
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The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says "State" instead of "Country" (the Framers knew the difference - see the 10th Amendment), was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary to get Virginia's vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason, and James Madison were totally clear on that . . . and we all should be too.

In the beginning, there were the militias. In the South, they were also called the "slave patrols," and they were regulated by the states.

In Georgia, for example, a generation before the American Revolution, laws were passed in 1755 and 1757 that required all plantation owners or their male white employees to be members of the Georgia Militia, and for those armed militia members to make monthly inspections of the quarters of all slaves in the state. The law defined which counties had which armed militias and even required armed militia members to keep a keen eye out for slaves who may be planning uprisings.

As Dr. Carl T. Bogus wrote for the University of California Law Review in 1998, "The Georgia statutes required patrols, under the direction of commissioned militia officers, to examine every plantation each month and authorized them to search 'all Negro Houses for offensive Weapons and Ammunition' and to apprehend and give twenty lashes to any slave found outside plantation grounds."

It's the answer to the question raised by the character played by Leonardo DiCaprio in Django Unchained when he asks, "Why don't they just rise up and kill the whites?" If the movie were real, it would have been a purely rhetorical question, because every southerner of the era knew the simple answer: Well regulated militias kept the slaves in chains.

Sally E. Haden, in her book Slave Patrols: Law and Violence in Virginia and the Carolinas, notes that, "Although eligibility for the Militia seemed all-encompassing, not every middle-aged white male Virginian or Carolinian became a slave patroller." There were exemptions so "men in critical professions" like judges, legislators and students could stay at their work. Generally, though, she documents how most southern men between ages 18 and 45 - including physicians and ministers - had to serve on slave patrol in the militia at one time or another in their lives.

And slave rebellions were keeping the slave patrols busy.

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Brother, you should choose your sources a little carefully. You actually quoted Decaprio????
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He also published this: Claiming that it is Corporations and Conservatives that are screwing the Middle Class and not the Government and Unions.



Ill also add he thinks members of Congress should wear NASCAR patches:
Make Members of Congress Wear NASCAR Patches


This is where your "author" got his information from... Not History books.
The Real And Racist Origins of the Second Amendment | Black Agenda Report

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A Black Agenda Radio commentary by BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon
The “well-regulated militia” that the US Constitution's second amendment refers to were slave patrols, land stealers and Indian killers, all quite necessary as the amendment's language states “to the security of a free state” built with stolen labor upon stolen land. Unless and until we acknowledge that history, we cannot have an honest discussion about gun control."

The Tenth Amendment reserves to the States all powers not granted to the federal Government. If the drafters intent was to allow slavery it would have been covered by this.

The entire "notion" is only being supported by the extreme left and people with racial agendas. If you want to learn about American History grab a History Book... Not a Liberal blog.

Here is a view for you... The Conservative Right freed the slaves. Abraham Lincoln was Republican and not only freed the slaves but an avid gun owner and supporter.

Read this:
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-shots/2009/07/abraham-lincoln-and-assault-weapons

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Ill remind you the Second Amendment was ratified only 8 years after militias helped kept this Country from being named New Britain.

http://www.historyisfun.org/militia-...ionary-war.htm
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Crusader:

Please refrain from seeking out interpretations. Do yourself a favor - that is if you truly want to understand. Someone else posted this link here a while back. Start here: https://constitution.hillsdale.edu/page.aspx?pid=825

Once you've read it - once you've become completely familiar with how it was written. Why it was written. The end game...the motivation for it. Once you've done that, if you do it with a truly open mind, you will be better equipped to filter through the kind of crap you posted in this thread.

No disrespect, but you really do need to get educated, otherwise you start quoting actors in discussions about the United States Constitution, and that just isn't very wise.

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At the very least search for alternative point of views....


Somewhere in between the Left and the Right is the truth.
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Originally Posted by saintfan View Post
Crusader:

Please refrain from seeking out interpretations. Do yourself a favor - that is if you truly want to understand. Someone else posted this link here a while back. Start here: https://constitution.hillsdale.edu/page.aspx?pid=825
Of course I will read interpretations, the funny thing with this article is that I got it as a recomended read from one of my republican friends. I have visited that Constitution 101 page before, its really good. Good thing yu posted the link so more people can go there.

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Once you've read it - once you've become completely familiar with how it was written. Why it was written. The end game...the motivation for it. Once you've done that, if you do it with a truly open mind, you will be better equipped to filter through the kind of crap you posted in this thread.

No disrespect, but you really do need to get educated, otherwise you start quoting actors in discussions about the United States Constitution, and that just isn't very wise.
You know I always believed the reason for a forum like this was so that people could share things they read or see that might come from different points of view. You're trying to tell me about having an open mind and still it seems like you have already decided that I posted it because I liked it. If you look back at the thread you will notice that I have not commented it at all.

And about quoting actors, I would most certainly not quote what an actor says in a movie. I do wonder however why you woul automatically disqualify actors from knowing anyhing about the constitution (in real life that is), or did I misunderstand you there?

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Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
At the very least search for alternative point of views....


Somewhere in between the Left and the Right is the truth.
What do you think I am doing here?
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At the very least search for alternative point of views....
If the topic was "rape is bad", would you search for an alternative point of view?
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Of course I will read interpretations, the funny thing with this article is that I got it as a recomended read from one of my republican friends. I have visited that Constitution 101 page before, its really good. Good thing yu posted the link so more people can go there.



You know I always believed the reason for a forum like this was so that people could share things they read or see that might come from different points of view. You're trying to tell me about having an open mind and still it seems like you have already decided that I posted it because I liked it. If you look back at the thread you will notice that I have not commented it at all.

And about quoting actors, I would most certainly not quote what an actor says in a movie. I do wonder however why you woul automatically disqualify actors from knowing anyhing about the constitution (in real life that is), or did I misunderstand you there?
You posted the article. You defended it. Based on your leanings, it is a fair assumption by me, don't you agree?

The thing that is most prominent in the people I have discussions like this with - and I'm not including you necessarily - is that they have little to no knowledge. They take a statement from the Constitution and have it so twisted when they're done they themselves aren't sure how they arrived at their position.

I have found that the best way to grasp that document is to dig deep into the lives of the men who wrote it - in fact it is the only way. The Federalists papers are simply a MUST READ. Without it you (not you specifically) cannot absorb it.

And yes, you SHOULD be open-minded. Are you? I sometimes question myself in that regard when it comes to politics, and I like to think that I am willing to give the floor to others such that they have an opportunity to show me where I'm mistaken. It happens sometimes.

But rarely on this topic - and not because I'm some uber-knowledgeable person on the Constitution. I am far FAR from it. It is because the document defends itself. Again, the amazing brilliance of the people who crafted it.

But lets not confuse open-mindedness with deliberate misrepresentation and interpretation, okay? Let's be willing to recognize what's really going on. To do that you have to dig deep into our history, same as you would for any other culture. Our own people refuse to do it. They watch as we cut Civics and American History from our public schools whilst keeping woodworking and ROTC and other (IMO) less critical programs. People can remember very little about what Sarah Palin said, but they know what dress she was wearing. See it yet?

This is by design. The liberal mindset of Hollywood and the propaganda that is produced there is BY DESIGN. The liberal mindset of our higher learning institutions is BY DESIGN. The liberal leanings (understatement) of our media, a direct product of our liberal learning institutions, is BY DESIGN. Our eroding ethics and morals. BY DESIGN.

No. If you want to quote someone, DeCaprio is not the guy. Matt Damon is not the guy. And while I enjoy Mr Eastwood and agree with him politically on many things, he isn't the guy either. I mean, you can do that if you want. You are correct. This is a forum where all opinions are welcome. I think however you're going to get a better response if you avoid the propaganda on either side and look to the facts as they were written by the men who risked their lives by simply putting their ideas on paper or at least someone who has studied the document in a meaningful way. DeCaprio would hardly risk breaking a nail.
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