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Obama pins blame on Republicans for looming cuts, as fiscal hawk warns of 'failed presidency'

this is a discussion within the Poli-Sci Community Forum; I'm a little confused. Aren't people on the right happy now that government FINALLY has cut spending. This idea came from the House Republicans (Boehner got 98% of what he wanted, remember?) So why blame anyone especially Obama? I would ...

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Old 03-05-2013, 08:50 AM   #11
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Re: Obama pins blame on Republicans for looming cuts, as fiscal hawk warns of 'failed presidency'

I'm a little confused. Aren't people on the right happy now that government FINALLY has cut spending. This idea came from the House Republicans (Boehner got 98% of what he wanted, remember?)

So why blame anyone especially Obama?

I would think that everyone on the GOP side would be celebrating.
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Old 03-05-2013, 08:54 AM   #12
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Re: Obama pins blame on Republicans for looming cuts, as fiscal hawk warns of 'failed presidency'

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If you're willing to listen and learn, I'll explain it to you. Unfortunately 99% of the time it gets ignored.

First off... the "rich" isn't the same every year. People move in and out of this category constantly. The freedoms we have here allow this to happen. Wealth envy targets jealousy, which the Democrats do constantly.

This is the land of opportunity that allows anyone the freedom to succeed beyond their wildest imagination if they work hard enough.

Demonizing the "rich" is basically an attack on those freedoms we have here. The ignorant in this nation applaud this attack and Democrats seize the opportunity to gain more and more power to rule over American lives. It's elitism at its worst.

When I hear anyone demonize the "rich" I automatically assume they're ignorant and will likely stay that way based on the 1,000's of conversations with wealth envy democrats I've had over the years.

So if you're able to accept the fact that "rich" isn't derogatory, then we can address the other wrongs you posted. If you can't, then I'm simply wasting my time.
By "demonizing the rich" do you mean asking them to pay the same tax rate as everyone else?

I would be for a flat tax w/o loopholes as would many Libertarians I know. If that were actually proposed today though, the GOP lobby in the house would cry "class warfare" b/c corporations would be saddled with a much higher tax bill.
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Re: Obama pins blame on Republicans for looming cuts, as fiscal hawk warns of 'failed presidency'

Originally Posted by Rickh View Post
I'm a little confused. Aren't people on the right happy now that government FINALLY has cut spending. This idea came from the House Republicans (Boehner got 98% of what he wanted, remember?)

So why blame anyone especially Obama?

I would think that everyone on the GOP side would be celebrating.
Obummer is especially to blame as he ran on a platform of openness and transparency and reaching across the aisle. He missed a real big opportunity, obviously! He is merely just another snake oil salesman, except worse. Don't you feel duped that he took you for a sucker and now also ashamed for voting for him?

For the record, they merely cut the rate of spending, despite what you hear from the lamestream media and their mischaracterizations. That means there is still a spending increase on their baseline budgeting... just not as much. Besides, virtually no one is mentioning that their baseline budgeting has practically doubled under this administration. And they use the term "budgeting" loosely, obviously, as there has not been a budget passed by the Senate in over 4 years.

What they ought to do is freeze automatic budget increases, cut spending by 1% every year for 7 years, increase the efficiencies (as if there were any to begin with) across all departments, and implement Arizona's model for Medicaid/Medicare nationally where medical providers donate 5% their time in return for joining the state's malpractice insurance program at no cost to the doctor. There are, of course, a whole hosts of other changes that could actually reduce costs, not this monstrous ObummerCare which was sold as revenue neutral and passed sans actually reading the bill at the eleventh hour on Christmas Eve while no one was really looking.

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Old 03-05-2013, 07:18 PM   #14
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Re: Obama pins blame on Republicans for looming cuts, as fiscal hawk warns of 'failed presidency'

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Obummer is especially to blame as he ran on a platform of openness and transparency and reaching across the aisle. He missed a real big opportunity, obviously! He is merely just another snake oil salesman, except worse. Don't you feel duped that he took you for a sucker and now also ashamed for voting for him?

For the record, they merely cut the rate of spending, despite what you hear from the lamestream media and their mischaracterizations. That means there is still a spending increase on their baseline budgeting... just not as much. Besides, virtually no one is mentioning that their baseline budgeting has practically doubled under this administration. And they use the term "budgeting" loosely, obviously, as there has not been a budget passed by the Senate in over 4 years.

What they ought to do is freeze automatic budget increases, cut spending by 1% every year for 7 years, increase the efficiencies (as if there were any to begin with) across all departments, and implement Arizona's model for Medicaid/Medicare nationally where medical providers donate 5% their time in return for joining the state's malpractice insurance program at no cost to the doctor. There are, of course, a whole hosts of other changes that could actually reduce costs, not this monstrous ObummerCare which was sold as revenue neutral and passed sans actually reading the bill at the eleventh hour on Christmas Eve while no one was really looking.
Here's the thing. If people repeat something often enough, they start believing it.
US Federal Spending by Year - Charts Tables History

here is a chart (from the govt.) of Federal spending since 2008. You'll see the number hold steady and as a % of GDP are actually going down.

The Affordable Care Act (Obummer Care) will actually save money and reduce the deficit over the next 10 years.

You should be happy, spending really is going down and if a Republican were in the White House he may even be getting credit for it.

Then again, the last three Republicans in the White House actually BLEW UP the deficit didn't they?
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Old 03-06-2013, 01:23 AM   #15
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Can anybody explain who all these trillion of Dollars/Pounds the US/UK are actually owed too?.
Just about none of this money actually exists as it traditionally did(Banks had to have equivalent gold for every $ loaned).
What happens if all the governments around the world just press the reset button.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:59 AM   #16
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Re: Obama pins blame on Republicans for looming cuts, as fiscal hawk warns of 'failed presidency'

Originally Posted by Rickh View Post
I'm a little confused. Aren't people on the right happy now that government FINALLY has cut spending. This idea came from the House Republicans (Boehner got 98% of what he wanted, remember?)

So why blame anyone especially Obama?

I would think that everyone on the GOP side would be celebrating.

Seriously yes and no. I am ecstatic that spending has been cut, our entire operation can be cut 10% unless your going to tell me that as a whole our Government operates with the efficiency of Six Sigma. What i am unhappy about is that no cuts were made to wasteful spending. We are cutting military, education, transportation, public service...

I do not see cuts to parks and recreation, foreign aid, unemployment, welfare, Obama's and Congress's benefits etc...

EG.. Obama didn't cut where he could lose votes.

Lets all be reminded, this is an Obama idea, but now he is criticizing the outcome.
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Old 03-06-2013, 07:27 AM   #17
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Re: Obama pins blame on Republicans for looming cuts, as fiscal hawk warns of 'failed presidency'

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Seriously yes and no. I am ecstatic that spending has been cut, our entire operation can be cut 10% unless your going to tell me that as a whole our Government operates with the efficiency of Six Sigma. What i am unhappy about is that no cuts were made to wasteful spending. We are cutting military, education, transportation, public service...

I do not see cuts to parks and recreation, foreign aid, unemployment, welfare, Obama's and Congress's benefits etc...

EG.. Obama didn't cut where he could lose votes.

Lets all be reminded, this is an Obama idea, but now he is criticizing the outcome.
That's not entirely accurate.
Unemployment, parks & rec are also cut. That was put in by the House Republicans. There was no other way in 2011 that the Tea Party cause would have raised the debt ceiling with out this sequester. The GOTP insisted on this, Obama getting credit now is revisionist history. The tea Party gave ythis country its first ever credit downgrade, how awesome was that.
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Old 03-06-2013, 07:45 AM   #18
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Re: Obama pins blame on Republicans for looming cuts, as fiscal hawk warns of 'failed presidency'

Originally Posted by Rickh View Post
That's not entirely accurate.
Unemployment, parks & rec are also cut. That was put in by the House Republicans. There was no other way in 2011 that the Tea Party cause would have raised the debt ceiling with out this sequester. The GOTP insisted on this, Obama getting credit now is revisionist history. The tea Party gave ythis country its first ever credit downgrade, how awesome was that.
The "Tea Party" gave the US a credit downgrade? Explain
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:25 AM   #19
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Re: Obama pins blame on Republicans for looming cuts, as fiscal hawk warns of 'failed presidency'

Originally Posted by Rickh View Post
Here's the thing. If people repeat something often enough, they start believing it.
US Federal Spending by Year - Charts Tables History

here is a chart (from the govt.) of Federal spending since 2008. You'll see the number hold steady and as a % of GDP are actually going down.

The Affordable Care Act (Obummer Care) will actually save money and reduce the deficit over the next 10 years.

You should be happy, spending really is going down and if a Republican were in the White House he may even be getting credit for it.

Then again, the last three Republicans in the White House actually BLEW UP the deficit didn't they?
You may want to dig a little deeper.
Health care spending..

Please explain where the "save money" is coming from.
Charts of Healthcare Spending - UsGovernmentSpending.com

"In 2000 the total spending on health care reached nearly 5 percent of GDP, with federal at 3.56% GDP (with 1.66% GDP transferred to states); states at 2.15% GDP, and local at 0.71% GDP. By 2010 total spending on health care reached 7 percent of GDP, with federal at 5.64% GDP (with 2.21% GDP transferred to states); states at 2.80% GDP, and local at 0.84% GDP. "

Future Healthcare Spending
Charts of Future Spending - UsGovernmentSpending.com

Government Debt
Past
USGovernmentSpending.com Past Debt Briefing

Recent
USGovernmentSpending.com Recent Debt Briefing

"In the Crash of 2008 government debt increased sharply to bail out the banks and to provide "stimulus" to the economy. Debt reached 104 percent of GDP in 2009. But debt is expected to plateau at about 122 percent of GDP in the next few years. "

Education Spending
Charts of Education Spending - UsGovernmentSpending.com

So your saying the ACA is reducing the deficit? Please explain..


As I see it we are sacrificing Defense and Education to provide healthcare at a more expensive cost to the Citizen.

Health Care insurance is NOT an entitlement. The Government does not have ITS OWN money.

What Barry and the rest of the Healthcare is an entitlement group are failing to outline is the following statement. Future generations will have neighbor provided healthcare that is completely funded by the working class. The working class is the only group of people that "make their own money".

So the burden of healthcare falls on the backs of employed people, while unemployment is at an all time high.

Now you want to pin deficit numbers to Republicans:

Lets look at Unemployment:
https://www.google.com/publicdata/ex...loyment%20rate

Look at the Spikes:
1982 Carter caused
Look at Obama Spike and notice how it is NOT falling with the same speed as previous spikes.

Now lets look at the Blue States that are run the same way Obama is running the country

https://www.google.com/publicdata/ex...l=en&ind=false


Conclusion, Running the entire Country like it is California, Rhode Island, Nevada will be its demise.... Unemployed people can not fund the Government.... And if the Government is not funded, neither is health care.

You should expect some in my replies.
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:37 AM   #20
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Re: Obama pins blame on Republicans for looming cuts, as fiscal hawk warns of 'failed presidency'

Now back to the Republicans Causing the Sequester..... If you mean the Republicans caused it by refusing to raise the debt ceiling and allow our Country to dig it self deeper into financial hell...

You are correct, and I support the decision.

This Country has a SPENDING problem, not an income problem.
As it looks like Government Revenue is UP
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