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Old 03-25-2003, 01:41 PM   #21
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Old 03-25-2003, 02:56 PM   #22
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Lumm0x - that\'s all I\'m asking for. Your post was obviously well thought out, articulate, and dealt with the issues rather than taking pot shots at those who voiced their opinions. Excellent post.

I agree completely with your assessment of last year. I also agree that we never know until the season begins.

However, like Gator, I grow weary of looking towards the future. At some point you just have to expect results. That\'s what I\'m looking for. After last year\'s collapse I thought that Haslett would undoubtedly make some bold moves in the off-season simply because he was in the hot seat and had to show the owner, players, and fans that he was really trying to enact change in the organization (let alone the fact that he needed to make bold moves to improve this defense).

However, this off-season has gone by just like a Haslett post-game interview. No real answers, more new questions are raised simply by his responses, and most important, no definitive action or take on how to improve. I see the NFC South getting even stronger around us, and as you said, we have only marginally improved a defense that needs drastic improvement.

I remain optimistic, but realistic. I still think there are some moves that the Saints could make to improve their defense. However, they\'ve missed a lot of chances and most of the impact players are gone. I will continue to believe that if this defense doesn\'t improve, the Saints\' results (W/L) will not improve either in the upcoming season.

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Old 03-25-2003, 04:16 PM   #23
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O.K. I guess I\'m just not as well \"thought out\" as WhoDat would like for me to be. It\'s just a crying shame we can\'t all be like him. Ya know? It breaks my heart every day to know that I can\'t be a whining, crying little school girl like WhoDat. I don\'t have to ***** and moan every post. I have a term you all can use for WhoDat....I call it \"Turley\"ism. Yep, that\'s it. Go ahead and cry some more. I feed off of it.

As for being MUCH improved, no I don\'t think we are on defense. I\'m just not going to beat a dead horse every single post. WhoDat has become so redundant about ONE SUBJECT that I believe he just likes seeing his words on the screen. Is this thought out enough for you? It isn\'t? Oh, my, my! Whatever shall I do? I guess I should morph into the almighty WHODAT. If you were a TRUE Saints fan then you would realize that the Saints aren\'t doing anything different than they normally do. I\'m not screaming that the Saints are going to the Super Bowl or even the playoffs this year. I just don\'t see them as bad as you think they are. Maybe it\'s just me. Then again, the Saints aren\'t going to jump through their skin to please just you. Too bad if they didn\'t sign who you wanted....GET OVER IT! Why act like a little ***** about it every post? I can probably go through AT LEAST 10 posts and send them to you where you were basically *****ing about the same thing and have YET to realize that the Saints aren\'t going to do anything different. You want to say things aren\'t thought out? I think you should be asking yourself if YOU are thinking! I\'d be willing to lay money on it that you aren\'t. By the way, iceshack149. Let me know if you find out about that class. I want to take it so I can be just like my hero, WhoDat. Wait! Nevermind! I wouldn\'t waste my money, because I can learn to be a crybaby right here by reading his posts.

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Old 03-25-2003, 04:20 PM   #24
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I wish there was a blue in the face icon. Winning is why you own a Franchise. We have done nothing to help ourselves do that this season. Uh Uh ...no rebuilding crap. We need to win now. Impact players are needed. I want a great season as well as the next guy, but you must be realistic. The additions we have made are not heading us in that winning direction. We will ultimately make Horn angry by messing him around. Then the fans will say that Horn was the bad guy,not the admin. Sign your key existing players make them happy first,don\'t give them the distraction of worrying about being shown appreciation. Offseason has been so lame. I am sure we will be just thrilled over our great draft selections, that may or may not create an impact in a couple of years.
HMMMMM.........wishful thinking vs. realism. Thus far I see a whole bunch of wishful thinking and not much realistic thinking. Two years of choking down the stretch indicates we have issues. Our D was pathetic(MLB,DT) now Knight is gone,the return of Ambrose in Black and Gold is our answer??? The offense, particularly the line and Aaronplayed poorly. I realize Aaron was hurt. ADDRESS THE ISSUES!!!!!!!

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Old 03-25-2003, 04:35 PM   #25
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I will sign my name on a petition right now that says if we don\'t make the playoffs this year, Haslett and the whole coaching staff are done. I agree 4 years is enough time to get it going. He lucked out year one, but mostly thanks to Mueller and his shrewd eye for talent. Haslett has to prove he can be the man by himself.
He needs to hold his players and assistants accountable. I like the guy. He was a hard nosed player and is a hard worker. I like the fact he feels no need to air dirty laundry in public himself. He just needs to take a page from Bill Cowher nad Parcells and grab the reigns and beat the horse until it runs.
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Old 03-25-2003, 04:39 PM   #26
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Hey D_it_up:

You can take my class. It\'s in another thread. Go find it b/c you need it bad man. You\'re only proving me more right. Your inability to do anything other than insult me shows time and again that you cannot make a good argument about the Saints. Maybe I am repetitive, but at least I can speak intelligently about the topic at hand. You seem to be able to do little other than sling mud at me. Where\'s your insight into this off-season? Where\'s your analysis of what they\'re doing? Nowhere - b/c there isn\'t any. You think this team will be better next year? Well WHY? You haven\'t even acknowledged that question. WHY D_it_up? Why will they be better? WHY? WHY? WHY? Go ahead and keep insulting me if it makes you feel big. To the rest of us it just proves that you cannot talk Saints football. Hell, you can\'t answer a simple question.

As for Subguy - we agree again my friend. More good points form you.

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Old 03-25-2003, 04:57 PM   #27
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When you can impress me with intellect, then you can question mine. Until that day, keep spouting off your barbs. I can keep up with you anytime. Your insulting my intelligence only proves you more WRONG. It shows me your ignorance more and more. In the words of Forest Gump, (so you can understand WhoDat) \"That\'s all I have to say about that!\"
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Old 03-25-2003, 05:04 PM   #28
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Talk about the issue D_it_up. Talk about the Saints. Don\'t talk about me. I\'ve posted time and again with specific reason why I have come to my opinions. Veterans of the site like Pak, Gator, and subguy agree in full or in part with what I\'m saying. So do newer guys like lumm0x and blackandblue. Yet you cannot give one reason why you think the Saints will improve. Give me one D. Give us all one. Prove that you have a single reason to believe that I am wrong. You can\'t. You haven\'t done it yet. I posted a quote from you from only a couple of months ago. None of what you said then has come true. Now you can\'t give a single reason why the Saints will be better. Again, Why? Why? Why? Why will they be better? How many times do I have to ask... there\'s no limit. Want to know why? B/c you can\'t answer. Blind faith is your only answer. I can\'t even debate the issue with you b/c you give me nothing to talk about. Nothing. B/c you\'ve got nothing. Come back when you can actually talk about the Saints, b/c I\'d bet we\'re all tired of hearing your empty talk.

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Old 03-25-2003, 05:25 PM   #29
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LMAO...Once again you amaze me, WhoDat! You want an answer? I\'ll give you one. I won\'t sit here and say the Saints will be improved, because NO ONE will know that until they step on the field. You say I have \"blind faith\"? Well you\'ve got the faith part right. I do have faith because I am a TRUE FAN. Being a TRUE FAN, doesn\'t mean that I\'m going to degrade them for every move they make. It means I\'m going to stand behind them NO MATTER WHAT! Being a TRUE FAN, also tells me what I\'ve stated in other posts. THE SAINTS AREN\'T DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN THEY NORMALLY DO! If you are a TRUE FAN, then you would realize that the Saints have NEVER been key players in free agency. They have NEVER gone out for those big names that we\'d love to see in a Saints jersey. They have NEVER kept many of the players that should have been re-signed, all for the fact that they want \"too much money\". It\'s like I told gator in chat earlier. As long as Tom Benson is the owner of the Saints, they will NEVER be more than a 2nd tier team. Does that make me not a fan because I say that? NO! It just means I\'ve learned to accept that and I\'m STILL going to stand behind them 100%. As far as you telling me not to come back until I can talk about the Saints? LMAO. You are the least of my worries about being run off. I love a good debate. Just remember. YOU were the one who started with the insults. At the risk of sounding cliche\', if you can\'t take the heat, get outta the kitchen. As far as people being tired of my \"empty posts\" as you call them, I\'m sure there a few out there that are JUST AS TIRED of hearing you complain on a daily basis. I\'m sure most of us have been married or are married and put up with it enough from their spouses. If this doesn\'t answer your question or you don\'t feel that I\'ve supported my statements, then you are more thick-headed than I first thought. As far as my statement on the Saints on what I would have liked them to do, is just that....what I would LIKE them to do. Then again, I live in reality and KNOW that the Saints would have never gotten any of those big free agents. Now it\'s your turn to take that bus to Reality Avenue.

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Old 03-25-2003, 07:04 PM   #30
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Oh...one question for you WhoDat. When you told me to come back when I can talk about the Saints, was that only when I could TALK BAD about them? Seems like to me that\'s the only thing you can do. Just checking.

Now! Let\'s get down to business. As far as improving on defense, it hasn\'t been dramatic, but then again, it\'s still early. Sure all of the \"big name\" free agents are gone, but there could be some steals when other teams make their cuts. There could be some good players available then. Will the Saints get any of them? Possible. Who\'s to say? Depending on how the Saints manage their picks in the draft, they could rack up. They have the ability to do so with 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. As for the signings on defense the Saints have made to date, they haven\'t improved greatly, but they have improved. IMO Ruff will be a better MLB than Clemons due to the fact that Clemons is more of a pass rusher than a run stopper. With Ashley Ambrose signing, the Saints picked up a guy that will be a great addition to the nickel and dime packages. Now here\'s a hypothetical situation for you. Let\'s say Carter and Thomas are the starters at cornerback and one of them gets injured. Who would you rather have to replace them? Ken (thank goodness he\'s a Viking) Irvin, Michael Hawthorne, or Ashley Ambrose? I think the consensus would say Ambrose. Hopefully, Craver would get the go-ahead to start over Ambrose, but then again, we aren\'t the coaches and we don\'t make that decision. As far as the other positions that are big concerns on defense, such as safety and defensive tackle, those are positions that WILL BE ADDRESSED. We are alright at CB and DE, but I do agree that DT and safety must be looked at. Another IMO for ya, is that Mel Mitchell will do fine as a starter next year. No, he may not be Sammy Knight, but I think he\'ll fit in good with the defense. Losing Knight will be a bigger blow to the defense than the organization will realize. I still believe they should try to bring him back, and I still believe that he was the scapegoat on a defense that was more porous than a SOS pad. Jay Bellamy is definitely a back-up, so the Saints will definitely have to find someone to replace him. Now at defensive tackle. If the Saints were to keep Hand and he play like the man he was his first season in New Orleans and keep his weight down, then he\'ll be fine. I don\'t see it happening, but it\'s an idea. Grady Jackson has the ability to be one of the most solid DT\'s in football if he could keep his weight down as well. One man in my mind that deserves a chance to show what he\'s got at DT is Kenny Smith. He played well in limited time last season, but he\'s just a little too over-anxious. If he could work on that, then he\'d be a good fill-in or possible starter. Someone will need to be brought in, however, to start at that position.


Are the Saints better on defense? Mildly. At least on paper. There are still things that need to be addressed to say that they have improved drastically. Will these things happen? Time will only tell. No matter what, I\'m still a fan and will be til the bitter end.

WhoDat? Is this more of what you were looking for? I sure hope I could satisfy you since nothing else seems like it can. If it doesn\'t, then you\'ve got serious issues, because I don\'t make it a habit of pleasing others.

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