Culpepper

saintswhodi · 09-19-2005, 09:45 AM

So you made a direct comment about me defending Culpepper AND this thread in a PM to ME, but the comment wasn't directed to me? Sorry, thanks for playing. I'll spend my time with those who don't directly contradict themselves in plain view.

But I like how you addressed NONE of the points I raised, and went straight to personal shots. Good job. What about the points Scotty raised? Nothing to say there, or just personal shots at me? I don;t see where you addressed one point raised. I guess people can see this for what it is. Little advice though, the next time you want to take a "subtle" shot at someone in a thread, don't PM them and ask them why they aren't in the thread defending their point, in a thread they had not taken part in at all until you made it a point to bring them into it. Then should you choose to bring them into it, at least address what is said, and not just pull them in to take personal shots and make another argument. Clear?

TheGambler · 09-19-2005, 09:50 AM

Here's some fun facts for Saints Whodi...then I'm done:

Aaron Brooks

Fumbles lost: 21

Interceptions: 67

Total: 89

Daunte Culpepper

Fumbles lost: 33

Interceptions: 82

Total: 115

Both have been playing significantly in 2000. Both have played roughly the same amount of games. Conclusion: Culpepper has more lost fumbles AND turnovers than Brooks in their respective careers.

saintswhodi · 09-19-2005, 09:57 AM

Ooh, stats in a vacuum, I wanna play. We are going since 2000?

Culpepper since 2000, 158 total Tds.

Brooks since 2000, 118.

Career passer rating for Culpepper 91.5

Career for Brooks 81.7

Career completion percentage for Culpepper 64.3

Career for Brook, 56.7

Career rushing yards for Brooks, 1161

Career for Culpepper, 2358

Shall we continue?

CHACHING · 09-19-2005, 09:59 AM

Wow Gambler......
interesting........

saintswhodi · 09-19-2005, 09:59 AM

Career passing yards for Pep 19067

Career for Brooks 16466

So Culpepper has more passing yards, rushing yards, therefore total yards, a 10 point higher career passer rating even after the first two games, a higher completion percentage for his career and more total TDs? Yeah, go with Brooks.

TheGambler · 09-19-2005, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Ooh, stats in a vacuum, I wanna play. We are going since 2000?

Culpepper since 2000, 158 total Tds.

Brooks since 2000, 118.

Career passer rating for Culpepper 91.5

Career for Brooks 81.7

Career completion percentage for Culpepper 64.3

Career for Brook, 56.7

Career rushing yards for Brooks, 1161

Career for Culpepper, 2358

Shall we continue?

That's fine and good.........but if Brooks is "Fumbles the Clown", then what is Culpepper?

saintswhodi · 09-19-2005, 10:02 AM

Runner up for league MVP. Next question. What's funny as hell to me is, only on a Saints board would two games into a new season be reason to say Brooks is better than Culpepper. You can post a poll on any forum in the free wrold that isn't a Saints forum and I am guaranteeing 90% take Culpepper. And that may be a low estimate. At any rate, what does it matter if I would take culpepper over Brooks? does that ruin someone's day? Seriously? I DON'T LIKE AARON BROOKS AND THINK HE IS A MEDIOCRE QB. Now, explain to me how any of this was supposed to change my mind.

maximkat · 09-19-2005, 10:40 AM

While I'll agree with part of some earlier posts on the changes in Minnesota, it isn't just the changes. A lot of the fault should still go to C-pep, like I said, I was watching most of this game. Many times I saw him throw into coverage, when there was not one, but 2 guys open on the other side of the field. The last two interceptions there wasn't a vikings receiver within 10 yards of where the ball ended up. I like C-pep, he is pretty much what you look for in a QB. I hope he pulls out of this slump, but not until after the Saints game.

TheGambler · 09-19-2005, 10:44 AM

I'm not the one ranting and raving that Culpepper is "100X" better than Brooks. And quite frankly, I never once argued that Brooks was better (you jumped the gun on that one)........I did, however, say I'd rather have Brooks than Culpepper in another thread, and I still stand by it.

You have yet to show me one single stat that shows Culpepper to be as superior to Brooks as you make him out to be. No, I'm not trying to convert you into a Brooks fan.....but I will say something when I feel he is being unjustifiably roasted at the expense of others.

Let's look at the Vikings and Saints won-loss records since 2001 (i exclude 2000 since Brooks took over around or after midseason)

Vikings- 28-36

Saints- 32-32

Playoff wins since 2001:

Culpepper - 1

Brooks - 0

Yeah, Culpepper is just light years ahead of Brooks.

papz · 09-19-2005, 10:50 AM

That ONE playoff win would mean the world to us Saints' fans. We've been waiting way too long for it.

Culpepper > Brooks anyday. It's extremely interesting and weird why anyone would consider Brooks over Culpepper? That's a first for me.

09-19-2005, 09:50 AM	#22
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	Here's some fun facts for Saints Whodi...then I'm done: Aaron Brooks Fumbles lost: 21 Interceptions: 67 Total: 89 Daunte Culpepper Fumbles lost: 33 Interceptions: 82 Total: 115 Both have been playing significantly in 2000. Both have played roughly the same amount of games. Conclusion: Culpepper has more lost fumbles AND turnovers than Brooks in their respective careers.
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09-19-2005, 10:01 AM	#26
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Ooh, stats in a vacuum, I wanna play. We are going since 2000? Culpepper since 2000, 158 total Tds. Brooks since 2000, 118. Career passer rating for Culpepper 91.5 Career for Brooks 81.7 Career completion percentage for Culpepper 64.3 Career for Brook, 56.7 Career rushing yards for Brooks, 1161 Career for Culpepper, 2358 Shall we continue? That's fine and good.........but if Brooks is "Fumbles the Clown", then what is Culpepper?
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09-19-2005, 10:40 AM	#28
maximkat ChocolateMilk Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Live Free or Die Posts: 362	While I'll agree with part of some earlier posts on the changes in Minnesota, it isn't just the changes. A lot of the fault should still go to C-pep, like I said, I was watching most of this game. Many times I saw him throw into coverage, when there was not one, but 2 guys open on the other side of the field. The last two interceptions there wasn't a vikings receiver within 10 yards of where the ball ended up. I like C-pep, he is pretty much what you look for in a QB. I hope he pulls out of this slump, but not until after the Saints game.
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09-19-2005, 10:44 AM	#29
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	I'm not the one ranting and raving that Culpepper is "100X" better than Brooks. And quite frankly, I never once argued that Brooks was better (you jumped the gun on that one)........I did, however, say I'd rather have Brooks than Culpepper in another thread, and I still stand by it. You have yet to show me one single stat that shows Culpepper to be as superior to Brooks as you make him out to be. No, I'm not trying to convert you into a Brooks fan.....but I will say something when I feel he is being unjustifiably roasted at the expense of others. Let's look at the Vikings and Saints won-loss records since 2001 (i exclude 2000 since Brooks took over around or after midseason) Vikings- 28-36 Saints- 32-32 Playoff wins since 2001: Culpepper - 1 Brooks - 0 Yeah, Culpepper is just light years ahead of Brooks.
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09-19-2005, 09:45 AM	#21
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	So you made a direct comment about me defending Culpepper AND this thread in a PM to ME, but the comment wasn't directed to me? Sorry, thanks for playing. I'll spend my time with those who don't directly contradict themselves in plain view. But I like how you addressed NONE of the points I raised, and went straight to personal shots. Good job. What about the points Scotty raised? Nothing to say there, or just personal shots at me? I don;t see where you addressed one point raised. I guess people can see this for what it is. Little advice though, the next time you want to take a "subtle" shot at someone in a thread, don't PM them and ask them why they aren't in the thread defending their point, in a thread they had not taken part in at all until you made it a point to bring them into it. Then should you choose to bring them into it, at least address what is said, and not just pull them in to take personal shots and make another argument. Clear?

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09-19-2005, 09:57 AM	#23
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Ooh, stats in a vacuum, I wanna play. We are going since 2000? Culpepper since 2000, 158 total Tds. Brooks since 2000, 118. Career passer rating for Culpepper 91.5 Career for Brooks 81.7 Career completion percentage for Culpepper 64.3 Career for Brook, 56.7 Career rushing yards for Brooks, 1161 Career for Culpepper, 2358 Shall we continue?

09-19-2005, 09:59 AM	#24
CHACHING 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Golden State Posts: 830	Wow Gambler...... interesting........

09-19-2005, 10:02 AM	#27
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Runner up for league MVP. Next question. What's funny as hell to me is, only on a Saints board would two games into a new season be reason to say Brooks is better than Culpepper. You can post a poll on any forum in the free wrold that isn't a Saints forum and I am guaranteeing 90% take Culpepper. And that may be a low estimate. At any rate, what does it matter if I would take culpepper over Brooks? does that ruin someone's day? Seriously? I DON'T LIKE AARON BROOKS AND THINK HE IS A MEDIOCRE QB. Now, explain to me how any of this was supposed to change my mind.

09-19-2005, 10:50 AM	#30
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,682	That ONE playoff win would mean the world to us Saints' fans. We've been waiting way too long for it. Culpepper > Brooks anyday. It's extremely interesting and weird why anyone would consider Brooks over Culpepper? That's a first for me.