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LordOfEntropy 09-18-2005 02:29 PM

Culpepper
 
Jesus, what happened to Culpepper?

yasoon 09-18-2005 03:27 PM

I don't know LOE......he appears to suck. Let's hope we're getting him at the right time.

spkb25 09-18-2005 03:46 PM

looks like the loss of their starting center was huge. the worst is he gave them the option of giving his money even if he was hurt next year and said he would play this year through the pain. they told him no. now look at them. when they were showing the game last week against tampa they were showing how their oline in the middle was just getting killed. they are in big trouble

BoudinSandwich 09-18-2005 04:45 PM

It looks like Drew Brees will be my starting fantasy quarterback. Thanks a lot, Culpepper.

maximkat 09-18-2005 04:53 PM

i watched most of this game because i had palmer as my starting quarterback in a local fantasy football league. It isn't just the center of the line, Cincy was getting pressure on the ends as well most of the day. Even with this said though, it is clear that c-pep was completely lost at the different defensive schemes cincy was throwing his way.

i forget who the commentator was, but they knew what they were talking about. He was saying that in the past, every single game the safety to the side of moss would always roll out to double cover him, when that happened c-pep knew to go elsewhere, when it didnt happen it meant moss was in one on one. Cincy didn't have to double cover anyone really, because there isn't anyone of that calibur on the team now. so basically they were able to stack the line, or bring whatever blitz package they wanted. By the time he threw his 3rd Int his moral was completely 0. the 4th and 5th int's there wasn't a viking anywhere near the pass, it was almost as if he was just like screw it, i aint gettin hit and just gave it a toss.... very pathetic at the end...

TheDeuce 09-19-2005 12:06 AM

So what happened to that whole, "we'll be so much better without Randy" thing?

You don't lose the most explosive wideout in the league and get better offensively. That's what happened to Daunte, he lost his main man Moss.

LordOfEntropy 09-19-2005 01:19 AM

Well, I'd like to order a nice pan of crow souffle. I picked Minny for the Superbowl, and Culpepper for my fantasy team. Crow tastes similar to finely aged excrement.

CHACHING 09-19-2005 08:27 AM

Some one here said it tasted like chicken........
I watched that game also..(palmer fan) and Culpepper sucked in a way I've never seen...
I mean, pocket sense was gone field vision gone....MIND GONE!!
On the other hand ...Carson is looking to be the real deal.......

TheGambler 09-19-2005 08:31 AM

Boy I'd really love to have him over Brooks!!! [/sarcasm]

CHACHING 09-19-2005 08:34 AM

Man you can say that again....but Brooks is our guy so I'll root for him as if he were Palmer.....
I'd take Kitna over Brooks.......

TheGambler 09-19-2005 08:45 AM

Was referring to "Culpepper" over Brooks..hence the sarcasm.

Let Carson actually get into the playoffs and win a game or 2 before you annoint him the savior for Cincy.

TheGambler 09-19-2005 08:47 AM

Anyway..this upcoming Minnesota game actually scares me a little...


Depsite their last 2 showings...this Minny team is clearly more talented than their performances indicate. They'll probably come out and play "balls to the wall" this Sunday. Hopefully the Saints can bury their season, sending them to 0-3. It would be sweet revenge for the Vikings not handling their own damn business at the end of last year.......had the vikings won 1 of their last 2 games, the Saints would have been in the playoffs.

CHACHING 09-19-2005 08:52 AM

My bad.......but it's gonna be the same shootout it always is.......
38-31
Saints....(payback time)

saintswhodi 09-19-2005 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGambler
Boy I'd really love to have him over Brooks!!! [/sarcasm]

Yikes. Are my words that important to you? Okay, i'd still take Culepper over Brooks. The Culpepper that is playing now, is the same receivers drop balls, our line sucks, etc etc excuses that were being handed out for Brooks for 4 years now. Give me Culpepper and our team now over Brooks any day of the week, unless you can erase the fact he had 39 TDs last year to only 11 INTs and would have been MVP if not for Peyton's 49 TDs. And that was without Moss half the season. So yup, I STILL would love to have him over Brooks. Guess what? Peyton had a 44 passer rating last game. 44!!!! I guess you'd take Brooks over him too.

ScottyRo 09-19-2005 09:19 AM

You bring out a good point Whodi. Culpepper did well last year even when Moss wasn't on the field. So, if it's not Moss what else has changed. O-line was mentioned earlier, but I think it's more than that. Minn also lost their O-Coordinator didn't they? Linehan, now Miami's OC. This may have been just too much change all at once for Culpepper.

TheGambler 09-19-2005 09:22 AM

Whodi, where was your name ever mentioned in this thread? You, you, you, .....everything's about you, huh?

I guess Culpepper gets a free pass after playing like utter crap for 2 straight weeks, but Brooks gets labeled a clown after 1 lost fumble in a winning effort.

saintswhodi 09-19-2005 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottyRo
You bring out a good point Whodi. Culpepper did well last year even when Moss wasn't on the field. So, if it's not Moss what else has changed. O-line was mentioned earlier, but I think it's more than that. Minn also lost their O-Coordinator didn't they? Linehan, now Miami's OC. This may have been just too much change all at once for Culpepper.

I agree Scotty. Look at it like Deuce in that two back offense last year. We dumped Fontenot, changed the offensive system, and voila, presto, Deuce looked like instant crap for the first few games. People were saying he wasn't a top 10 back, he lost a step, he was fat and lazy, etc etc, but the changes around him caused that. When they put Karney in front of him, he was Deuce again. At no point did I feel then Deuce was not a top 5 back, and like now, at no point do I feel Culpepper is not a top 5 QB. It's just right now, the changes they have made have all been bad. When they fire Tice, it will even out.

saintswhodi 09-19-2005 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGambler
Whodi, where was your name ever mentioned in this thread? You, you, you, .....everything's about you, huh?

I guess Culpepper gets a free pass after playing like utter crap for 2 straight weeks, but Brooks gets labeled a clown after 1 lost fumble in a winning effort.

One, why are you trying to start an argument? Seriously? You just PMed me about this thread and me not defending Culpepper, so who else were you talking to? Seriously dude, Give it up.

Two, this has been FIVE YEARS of this from Brooks. Sorry bro, but my memory does not fade that quickly. That's like saying if Sullivan goes to the pro bowl this year, everyoen who thought he sucked for the past two years would be wrong. Well, no. He did suck for the last two years. Things change. How about you change and grow up?

TheGambler 09-19-2005 09:38 AM

Are you the only Brooks basher in this forum? That message could have been intended for several people. Also, the reason it's called PM is because nobody gives a crap about reading it here. But since you bring it up, i DID make a comment about you defending Culpepper IN THE PM, but nowhere in here did I call you out.

Please don't tell anyone else on this forum to grow up. That's like Richard Simmons telling somebody not to be gay.

CHACHING 09-19-2005 09:43 AM

I hope this is not turning into another Brooks thread...
Play nice boys....

saintswhodi 09-19-2005 09:45 AM

So you made a direct comment about me defending Culpepper AND this thread in a PM to ME, but the comment wasn't directed to me? Sorry, thanks for playing. I'll spend my time with those who don't directly contradict themselves in plain view.

But I like how you addressed NONE of the points I raised, and went straight to personal shots. Good job. What about the points Scotty raised? Nothing to say there, or just personal shots at me? I don;t see where you addressed one point raised. I guess people can see this for what it is. Little advice though, the next time you want to take a "subtle" shot at someone in a thread, don't PM them and ask them why they aren't in the thread defending their point, in a thread they had not taken part in at all until you made it a point to bring them into it. Then should you choose to bring them into it, at least address what is said, and not just pull them in to take personal shots and make another argument. Clear?

TheGambler 09-19-2005 09:50 AM

Here's some fun facts for Saints Whodi...then I'm done:



Aaron Brooks

Fumbles lost: 21

Interceptions: 67


Total: 89



Daunte Culpepper

Fumbles lost: 33

Interceptions: 82

Total: 115



Both have been playing significantly in 2000. Both have played roughly the same amount of games. Conclusion: Culpepper has more lost fumbles AND turnovers than Brooks in their respective careers.

saintswhodi 09-19-2005 09:57 AM

Ooh, stats in a vacuum, I wanna play. We are going since 2000?

Culpepper since 2000, 158 total Tds.

Brooks since 2000, 118.

Career passer rating for Culpepper 91.5

Career for Brooks 81.7

Career completion percentage for Culpepper 64.3

Career for Brook, 56.7

Career rushing yards for Brooks, 1161

Career for Culpepper, 2358

Shall we continue?

CHACHING 09-19-2005 09:59 AM

Wow Gambler......
interesting........

saintswhodi 09-19-2005 09:59 AM

Career passing yards for Pep 19067

Career for Brooks 16466

So Culpepper has more passing yards, rushing yards, therefore total yards, a 10 point higher career passer rating even after the first two games, a higher completion percentage for his career and more total TDs? Yeah, go with Brooks.

TheGambler 09-19-2005 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saintswhodi
Ooh, stats in a vacuum, I wanna play. We are going since 2000?

Culpepper since 2000, 158 total Tds.

Brooks since 2000, 118.

Career passer rating for Culpepper 91.5

Career for Brooks 81.7

Career completion percentage for Culpepper 64.3

Career for Brook, 56.7

Career rushing yards for Brooks, 1161

Career for Culpepper, 2358

Shall we continue?

That's fine and good.........but if Brooks is "Fumbles the Clown", then what is Culpepper?

saintswhodi 09-19-2005 10:02 AM

Runner up for league MVP. Next question. What's funny as hell to me is, only on a Saints board would two games into a new season be reason to say Brooks is better than Culpepper. You can post a poll on any forum in the free wrold that isn't a Saints forum and I am guaranteeing 90% take Culpepper. And that may be a low estimate. At any rate, what does it matter if I would take culpepper over Brooks? does that ruin someone's day? Seriously? I DON'T LIKE AARON BROOKS AND THINK HE IS A MEDIOCRE QB. Now, explain to me how any of this was supposed to change my mind.

maximkat 09-19-2005 10:40 AM

While I'll agree with part of some earlier posts on the changes in Minnesota, it isn't just the changes. A lot of the fault should still go to C-pep, like I said, I was watching most of this game. Many times I saw him throw into coverage, when there was not one, but 2 guys open on the other side of the field. The last two interceptions there wasn't a vikings receiver within 10 yards of where the ball ended up. I like C-pep, he is pretty much what you look for in a QB. I hope he pulls out of this slump, but not until after the Saints game. :)

TheGambler 09-19-2005 10:44 AM

I'm not the one ranting and raving that Culpepper is "100X" better than Brooks. And quite frankly, I never once argued that Brooks was better (you jumped the gun on that one)........I did, however, say I'd rather have Brooks than Culpepper in another thread, and I still stand by it.

You have yet to show me one single stat that shows Culpepper to be as superior to Brooks as you make him out to be. No, I'm not trying to convert you into a Brooks fan.....but I will say something when I feel he is being unjustifiably roasted at the expense of others.


Let's look at the Vikings and Saints won-loss records since 2001 (i exclude 2000 since Brooks took over around or after midseason)


Vikings- 28-36

Saints- 32-32


Playoff wins since 2001:

Culpepper - 1

Brooks - 0


Yeah, Culpepper is just light years ahead of Brooks.

papz 09-19-2005 10:50 AM

That ONE playoff win would mean the world to us Saints' fans. We've been waiting way too long for it.

Culpepper > Brooks anyday. It's extremely interesting and weird why anyone would consider Brooks over Culpepper? That's a first for me.

saintz08 09-19-2005 10:51 AM

Once and for all

Its " Fumbalaya Brooks " and " Dropsie Culpepper "

TheGambler 09-19-2005 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papz
Culpepper > Brooks anyday.

Just like he was yesterday right? And the Sunday before that.


Anyway......my only problem is the fact that people sweep Daunte's mistake's under the rug while bashing Brooks for very similar errors. I don't really care if people prefer Culpepper over Brooks.........but there's no need to act like the margin of difference is vastly wide.

saintswhodi 09-19-2005 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papz
That ONE playoff win would mean the world to us Saints' fans. We've been waiting way too long for it.

Culpepper > Brooks anyday. It's extremely interesting and weird why anyone would consider Brooks over Culpepper? That's a first for me.

Me too papz. I have decided I just won't entertain this any more. Certain arguments are not even worth it.

papz 09-19-2005 11:13 AM

If you knew that the starting left tackle played in one game last year, the guard is a rookie, and Matt Birk is out... then you would know that it's not entirely Culpepper's fault. So basically, he's playing with only 2 regulars on that line.

He might have blew this weekend and the last, but he definately is one of the elite quarterbacks out there and has proven to be year in and year out. He has two playoff appearances, which to me is the only thing that counts even though he's had 2 Probowl appearances to go along with some sick numbers, to AB's one.

You are trying to discredit Culpepper over two bad games. So would you have rather had Culpepper or Brooks on your team last season. How about the year before that? Come on now we all can see you're a pretty hardcore Saints fan and like to defend our players... but you are denying the fact that Brooks has been a part of the problem here.

chRxis 09-19-2005 05:05 PM

with randy gone (which was the biggest offseason mistake in the nfl) they have no real downfield threat... combine that with a lack luster running game, shotty at best offensive line, and you have the vikings... they greatly improved the defense on paper, but that hasn't really materialized on the field, where the game is played... tice now sits on the hottest seat in the nfl, thanks to trading away the premier wr in the game...


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