AB is AWESOME!!!!!!!!

yasoon · 09-20-2005, 12:38 PM

Wow, xan. Nice post.

I don't throw all the blame on Brooks. There was no running game, no pass rush, bad coaching, Jason Craft, bad special teams.

I think the point is this...Brooks was in a position to rise above it...to put the team on his back and carry us to a win. We still had a shot until the fumble and we dominated the 3rd defensively. How do you teach a five year pro to handle a snap? Like you said, the reason people are going crazy is that this is how brooks kills us. So to most of us, his mistakes were most glaringm and thus draw the most ire.

xan · 09-20-2005, 12:49 PM

I'm not suggesting that this loss was all Brooks' fault. This was more coaching than playing. The decisionmaking at most every level was baffling:

Opening kickoff. No need to delve there.

5'10" in stilts Jason Craft on 6'5 Plaxico Burress for each score in the 1st half.

The run blocking schemes.

The play calling. No misdirection, no sweeps, no traps. No rollouts. No designed QB runs.

The D-line getting manhandled by one of the weakest O-lines in the league.

Bad tackling

Bad special teams.

Tagliabue designating this a HOME game.

Brooks just fell into the trap that every team wants the Saints to fall into, which is let the Saints beat themselves. All the Giants did was give a lot of rope. The Giants weren't particularly impressive.

WhoDat · 09-20-2005, 01:40 PM

woah Whodat!......someone needs a cup of coffee and a bagel (or a BJ)
relax homie just discussing the game.......no fingers pointed..
...yet...

I'm not the least bit aggitated. When I get worked up it'll look a lot worse than that. I think AB is being unduly criticized. Just as I attacked the points of view of the people who defended Brooks no matter what in previous years, I will challenge those who criticize Brooks no matter what this year. Just the way I work.

One, Horn fumbled trying to make a play with less than 4 minutes left in a 17 point game. He reached for the goalline. Not quite the same as ending a drive in Giants territoy with an INT which led to points, and then fumbling away another drive, as well as trying to drill a hole through a guy 7-10 feet from you.

Right. Sure. When Horn fumbled he was trying to make a play. When Brooks threw a pick he was doing what, exactly? Trying to get back to the sideline ASAP? Horn's garbage fumble doesn't count but AB's garbage INT does? Or the tipped ball does? Whatever. That bias showing.

And to say AB didn't put us INTO the hole is one thing, but he helped dig it deeper before trying to help us climb out.

Really? You should go back to the film Whodi. You think we scored those 10 first half points on the legs of McAllister? That was all AB. And yes, he threw an INT, I know.

As a matter of fact they are less acceptable coming from AB cause his F' ups leads to our losing.

Again - inconsistent. Other QBs' screw-ups don't lead to their teams losing? Let me ask you this Whodi - would you take Culpepper and his 8 INTs right now straight up for Brooks? If so, why?

TheGambler · 09-20-2005, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat

Again - inconsistent. Other QBs' screw-ups don't lead to their teams losing? Let me ask you this Whodi - would you take Culpepper and his 8 INTs right now straight up for Brooks? If so, why?

BECAUSE CULPEPPER WAS RUNNER UP FOR LEAGUE MVP LAST YEAR AND AB'S INEPT PLAY HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 5 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-SaintsWhodi

saintswhodi · 09-20-2005, 01:47 PM

WhoDat, can;t say I am digging the new you, but he seems to be able to make the same spin.

Right. Sure. When Horn fumbled he was trying to make a play. When Brooks threw a pick he was doing what, exactly? Trying to get back to the sideline ASAP? Horn's garbage fumble doesn't count but AB's garbage INT does? Or the tipped ball does? Whatever. That bias showing.

What bias? Horn's fumble came in the 4th quarter when the game was pretty much over. AB's turnovers came in the first half. Nice try.

Really? You should go back to the film Whodi. You think we scored those 10 first half points on the legs of McAllister? That was all AB. And yes, he threw an INT, I know.

what the hell does this have to do with turnovers that lead directly to points for the other team? If AB leads us to 10 points but he has two turnovers that give the other team 10 points, you are satisfied with that? Fall in line with the mediocre is fine crowd forming to your left.

Again - inconsistent. Other QBs' screw-ups don't lead to their teams losing? Let me ask you this Whodi - would you take Culpepper and his 8 INTs right now straight up for Brooks? If so, why?

Why is that inconsitent? Cause I care more abour our QBs F/ups causing THE SAINTS to lose than I care about another team's QB causing whatever other team to lose? Nice reach. So Culpepper looking like crap the first two games is the same to you as AB looking like crap half this game and helping us to a loss? Those hit you the same? Nice try again. Spin someone else.

And would I take culpepper over AB, any day of the week. I posted his career stats in the Culpepper thread, have a look.

saintswhodi · 09-20-2005, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by TheGambler

Originally Posted by WhoDat

Again - inconsistent. Other QBs' screw-ups don't lead to their teams losing? Let me ask you this Whodi - would you take Culpepper and his 8 INTs right now straight up for Brooks? If so, why?

BECAUSE CULPEPPER WAS RUNNER UP FOR LEAGUE MVP LAST YEAR AND AB'S INEPT PLAY HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 5 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-SaintsWhodi

You finally got it. Bravo. Man, you must be running out of breath running form thread to thread defending AB. I must say I find this quite amusing.

TheGambler · 09-20-2005, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by TheGambler

Originally Posted by WhoDat

Again - inconsistent. Other QBs' screw-ups don't lead to their teams losing? Let me ask you this Whodi - would you take Culpepper and his 8 INTs right now straight up for Brooks? If so, why?

BECAUSE CULPEPPER WAS RUNNER UP FOR LEAGUE MVP LAST YEAR AND AB'S INEPT PLAY HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 5 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-SaintsWhodi

You finally got it. Bravo. Man, you must be running out of breath running form thread to thread defending AB. I must say I find this quite amusing.

And I find it equally as amusing that I can sum up 90% of your posts fairly accurately in about 2 sentences.

saintswhodi · 09-20-2005, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by TheGambler

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by TheGambler

Originally Posted by WhoDat

Again - inconsistent. Other QBs' screw-ups don't lead to their teams losing? Let me ask you this Whodi - would you take Culpepper and his 8 INTs right now straight up for Brooks? If so, why?

BECAUSE CULPEPPER WAS RUNNER UP FOR LEAGUE MVP LAST YEAR AND AB'S INEPT PLAY HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 5 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-SaintsWhodi

You finally got it. Bravo. Man, you must be running out of breath running form thread to thread defending AB. I must say I find this quite amusing.

Ditto. Let me try. It's not AB's fault. Ever. He is better than all other QBs. If he fumbles or throws an INt, it's someone else's fault and we should ignore it and move on to the next game, cause he won't do it this time, I promise. Bout right?
And I find it equally as amusing that I can sum up 90% of your posts fairly accurately in about 2 sentences.

TheGambler · 09-20-2005, 02:41 PM

Your summary is more like 20%...not 90%......

Where did I ever say that we should "blame someone else" for all of Brooks's mistakes, or "overlook" them for that matter?

saintswhodi · 09-20-2005, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by TheGambler

Your summary is more like 20%...not 90%......

Where did I ever say that we should "blame someone else" for all of Brooks's mistakes, or "overlook" them for that matter?

It was a TEAM loss guys, let's move on. Remember that? An obvious attempt to gloss over anyone giving Brooks any blame at all. Let's move on? how fast did you wanna move on when Delhomme was getting ragged on? Very, very slowly. So either your are inconsistent in the way you view talking about QB mistakes, or you want to sweep ABs errors under the rug and quickly focus on next week.

09-20-2005, 12:38 PM	#21
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	Wow, xan. Nice post. I don't throw all the blame on Brooks. There was no running game, no pass rush, bad coaching, Jason Craft, bad special teams. I think the point is this...Brooks was in a position to rise above it...to put the team on his back and carry us to a win. We still had a shot until the fumble and we dominated the 3rd defensively. How do you teach a five year pro to handle a snap? Like you said, the reason people are going crazy is that this is how brooks kills us. So to most of us, his mistakes were most glaringm and thus draw the most ire.
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09-20-2005, 01:40 PM	#23
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	woah Whodat!......someone needs a cup of coffee and a bagel (or a BJ) relax homie just discussing the game.......no fingers pointed.. ...yet... I'm not the least bit aggitated. When I get worked up it'll look a lot worse than that. I think AB is being unduly criticized. Just as I attacked the points of view of the people who defended Brooks no matter what in previous years, I will challenge those who criticize Brooks no matter what this year. Just the way I work. One, Horn fumbled trying to make a play with less than 4 minutes left in a 17 point game. He reached for the goalline. Not quite the same as ending a drive in Giants territoy with an INT which led to points, and then fumbling away another drive, as well as trying to drill a hole through a guy 7-10 feet from you. Right. Sure. When Horn fumbled he was trying to make a play. When Brooks threw a pick he was doing what, exactly? Trying to get back to the sideline ASAP? Horn's garbage fumble doesn't count but AB's garbage INT does? Or the tipped ball does? Whatever. That bias showing. And to say AB didn't put us INTO the hole is one thing, but he helped dig it deeper before trying to help us climb out. Really? You should go back to the film Whodi. You think we scored those 10 first half points on the legs of McAllister? That was all AB. And yes, he threw an INT, I know. As a matter of fact they are less acceptable coming from AB cause his F' ups leads to our losing. Again - inconsistent. Other QBs' screw-ups don't lead to their teams losing? Let me ask you this Whodi - would you take Culpepper and his 8 INTs right now straight up for Brooks? If so, why?
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09-20-2005, 01:43 PM	#24
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	Originally Posted by WhoDat Again - inconsistent. Other QBs' screw-ups don't lead to their teams losing? Let me ask you this Whodi - would you take Culpepper and his 8 INTs right now straight up for Brooks? If so, why? BECAUSE CULPEPPER WAS RUNNER UP FOR LEAGUE MVP LAST YEAR AND AB'S INEPT PLAY HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 5 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -SaintsWhodi
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09-20-2005, 01:47 PM	#25
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	WhoDat, can;t say I am digging the new you, but he seems to be able to make the same spin. Right. Sure. When Horn fumbled he was trying to make a play. When Brooks threw a pick he was doing what, exactly? Trying to get back to the sideline ASAP? Horn's garbage fumble doesn't count but AB's garbage INT does? Or the tipped ball does? Whatever. That bias showing. What bias? Horn's fumble came in the 4th quarter when the game was pretty much over. AB's turnovers came in the first half. Nice try. Really? You should go back to the film Whodi. You think we scored those 10 first half points on the legs of McAllister? That was all AB. And yes, he threw an INT, I know. what the hell does this have to do with turnovers that lead directly to points for the other team? If AB leads us to 10 points but he has two turnovers that give the other team 10 points, you are satisfied with that? Fall in line with the mediocre is fine crowd forming to your left. Again - inconsistent. Other QBs' screw-ups don't lead to their teams losing? Let me ask you this Whodi - would you take Culpepper and his 8 INTs right now straight up for Brooks? If so, why? Why is that inconsitent? Cause I care more abour our QBs F/ups causing THE SAINTS to lose than I care about another team's QB causing whatever other team to lose? Nice reach. So Culpepper looking like crap the first two games is the same to you as AB looking like crap half this game and helping us to a loss? Those hit you the same? Nice try again. Spin someone else. And would I take culpepper over AB, any day of the week. I posted his career stats in the Culpepper thread, have a look.

09-20-2005, 01:47 PM	#26
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by TheGambler Originally Posted by WhoDat Again - inconsistent. Other QBs' screw-ups don't lead to their teams losing? Let me ask you this Whodi - would you take Culpepper and his 8 INTs right now straight up for Brooks? If so, why? BECAUSE CULPEPPER WAS RUNNER UP FOR LEAGUE MVP LAST YEAR AND AB'S INEPT PLAY HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 5 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -SaintsWhodi You finally got it. Bravo. Man, you must be running out of breath running form thread to thread defending AB. I must say I find this quite amusing.

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09-20-2005, 12:49 PM	#22
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,355 Blog Entries: 34	I'm not suggesting that this loss was all Brooks' fault. This was more coaching than playing. The decisionmaking at most every level was baffling: Opening kickoff. No need to delve there. 5'10" in stilts Jason Craft on 6'5 Plaxico Burress for each score in the 1st half. The run blocking schemes. The play calling. No misdirection, no sweeps, no traps. No rollouts. No designed QB runs. The D-line getting manhandled by one of the weakest O-lines in the league. Bad tackling Bad special teams. Tagliabue designating this a HOME game. Brooks just fell into the trap that every team wants the Saints to fall into, which is let the Saints beat themselves. All the Giants did was give a lot of rope. The Giants weren't particularly impressive.

09-20-2005, 01:58 PM	#27
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by TheGambler Originally Posted by WhoDat Again - inconsistent. Other QBs' screw-ups don't lead to their teams losing? Let me ask you this Whodi - would you take Culpepper and his 8 INTs right now straight up for Brooks? If so, why? BECAUSE CULPEPPER WAS RUNNER UP FOR LEAGUE MVP LAST YEAR AND AB'S INEPT PLAY HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 5 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -SaintsWhodi You finally got it. Bravo. Man, you must be running out of breath running form thread to thread defending AB. I must say I find this quite amusing. And I find it equally as amusing that I can sum up 90% of your posts fairly accurately in about 2 sentences.
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09-20-2005, 02:00 PM	#28
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by TheGambler Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by TheGambler Originally Posted by WhoDat Again - inconsistent. Other QBs' screw-ups don't lead to their teams losing? Let me ask you this Whodi - would you take Culpepper and his 8 INTs right now straight up for Brooks? If so, why? BECAUSE CULPEPPER WAS RUNNER UP FOR LEAGUE MVP LAST YEAR AND AB'S INEPT PLAY HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 5 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -SaintsWhodi You finally got it. Bravo. Man, you must be running out of breath running form thread to thread defending AB. I must say I find this quite amusing. Ditto. Let me try. It's not AB's fault. Ever. He is better than all other QBs. If he fumbles or throws an INt, it's someone else's fault and we should ignore it and move on to the next game, cause he won't do it this time, I promise. Bout right? And I find it equally as amusing that I can sum up 90% of your posts fairly accurately in about 2 sentences.

09-20-2005, 02:41 PM	#29
TheGambler 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 610	Your summary is more like 20%...not 90%...... Where did I ever say that we should "blame someone else" for all of Brooks's mistakes, or "overlook" them for that matter?
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09-20-2005, 02:46 PM	#30
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by TheGambler Your summary is more like 20%...not 90%...... Where did I ever say that we should "blame someone else" for all of Brooks's mistakes, or "overlook" them for that matter? It was a TEAM loss guys, let's move on. Remember that? An obvious attempt to gloss over anyone giving Brooks any blame at all. Let's move on? how fast did you wanna move on when Delhomme was getting ragged on? Very, very slowly. So either your are inconsistent in the way you view talking about QB mistakes, or you want to sweep ABs errors under the rug and quickly focus on next week.