Brooks Vs. Culpepper or Delhomme
 

Anyone want to revisit this? At one point in the game, Brooks had a 1.9 QB rating. INT when we are down by 10, INT when we are down by 8. Less than 50% completions. Can anyone from the "other side" tell me what Delhomme and Culpepper did today? :wink:

RE: Brooks Vs. Culpepper or Delhomme
 

Okay, last week brooks padded his stat sheet in a losing effort. This week Delhomme did the same thing. He lost, plain and simple! Both Brooks and Delhomme had two turnovers and they hurt the team. As far as I'm concerned they both sucked!

Yeah, cause 3 TDs 1 INT is worse than 1TD, 2 INTs. And how exactly do you "pad stats" in a tied game? Dolphins won by three. They scored 27 points on the Panthers D. If you are gonna give Brooks excuses, they have to be better than that.

I am not giving Brooks an excuse. THe point is they both had the same amount of turnovers if you saw the game! Delhomme fumbled and threw a int. Brooks threw 2 ints. 1+1=2 The big point is that they both lost and both have a 1-2 record so I don't see your reasoning on Delhomme being better than Brooks right now!

Well, my reasoning is Delhomme has been better than Brooks for longer than just NOW, but we can look to season stats. Brooks has now 7 turnovers to 2 TDs, Jake has 7 I believe to 4 TDs. And I DID watch the game, at the same sports bar I watched the Saints game, if not for Jake, the Panthers aren't in that game. Same can't be said for Brooks. If not for Aaron, we MAY have BEEN in our game.

Try this, Jake has only been a starter since 2003. He has had two less years at it. Try Brooks and Culpepper have had the most fumbles the past few years, but Culpepper has WAY more overall TDs and yards. Or try Delhomme has been to the Superbowl in 2 years as a starter, and Brooks hasn't in 5, and piggy backed a playoff trip. Or try....never mind. The last two games say all that need to be said.

I am sorry, is that supposed to prove your point? Okay:

6. The feel-good New Orleans Saints will fade quickly because Aaron Brooks is the most fraudulent QB in the NFL.

Saints fans better enjoy the Week 1 miracle because Brooks will continue to get in the way of the Saints' enjoying consistent success. The Saints have the necessary personnel to field a potent offense -- a decent line, top-flight receivers and a big-play running back.

However, Brooks is the anti-Tom Brady. Brooks makes stupid decisions, has zero leadership ability and isn't particularly tough or poised in the pocket.

Jason Whitlock. ESPN.

dumb, dumb dumb dumb thread.

Brooks didn't play well today to be certain; however, he had plenty of help. No defense the first half, and don't gimmie any crap about it being the fault of the offense. The Vikings first drive was ONE play. The second was 12 plays. The next two were 5 plays a piece. The o-line was predictably bad...again...Deuce had no where to run and Brooks ran for his life from the first snap to the last.

As for our WR's, they plain stink...still. Am I the only one that see's this? The QB is running for his life and they're just standing there. Yeah, Brooks wasn't that good today, but damn he had a lot of help didn't he?

On the other hand, Jake "led" his team to a tie, and then "led" 'em right out the tunnel with a 1-2 record. I think the entire Carolina TEAM played a pretty good game, and if I were a memeber I'd probably be a bit pissed at 'ol Jake for making all my effort officially wasted.

Great Post! :drink:

LMAO!!. SO the fact our QB killed us twice when we could have made this a close game is somehow better than a QB who keeps his team in the game all day then makes a mistake? Which would you rather, 3 TDs 2 TOs, or 1 TD 2 TOs? Yeah, I guess it would be dumb to take the guy who has one TD. We're down by 8, Brooks throws another INT, this is after 4 killer turnovers last week. Boy, some guys know how to back a winner.

Lets throw into the equation that our O-line sucked today as well.

At the end of the day he still lost the game!

I think the fact here is that Jake is 1-2, and that's HIS fault, more than any other player on his team. The Saints are also 1-2, and while Brooks hasn't played like Joe Montana (or even close) the entire TEAM sucks.

No one here is saying Brooks didn't suck today are they? What does it say about you that you're focusing on Brooks?

Hey there numbers boy, check your stats and then check the record for each team...1-2 = 1-2 on this planet. ;)

Oh I get it. So Jake Delhomme gave up 24 points outside of the winning FG to the Dolphins? Really? Good call. Brooks blinders came a little early this year huh? We were down by 10, Brooks INT. Down by 8, Brooks INT. Did you see last week? He had three turnovers when we were still in the game. But let me get to the crux, so if 1-2 is all that matters, is win/loss the deciding factor on who is the better QB? I doubt you wanna make that argument, but it's not like there is ever a good argument FOR Brooks anyway.

Are you serious? The same guy that focused on Jake IN WEEK ONE? You're done.

T...E...A...M. Football, Whodi, is a TEAM game.

Tell me one person posting here today that dosn't think Brooks' play contributed...just one, k? Otherwise, go argue with yourself.

As for 1-2, yeah, that's all that matters. Let's take a little quiz big man. Grade the following and educate the masses on how Brooks single handedly lost us today's game.

Offense:

WR play
RB play
TE play
Line Play
QB play

Defense

Line Play
LB Play
DB play

Special Teams

Now grade honestly, and then try and prove to the rest of us how it's all Brooks' fault.

Yes Aaron sucks...
 

But man, How many Superbowls have Daunte or Delhomme won?
Same number as Brooks.
I don't understand all you Delhomme backers, the guy is average.
Hell we had Kerry Collins on this team once too. Where are all his supporters.

PLEASE STOP BRINGING UP DELHOMME.
The debate is irrelevant.

whodi aren't we and the panthers both 1 AND 2? they both suck!!!!! I used to give AB a pass because it was the defenses fault, this year it isn't. the offense and special teams has put the D in terrible situations this year. To say that we would be better off with jake "the crier" is crazy!!!!!!!

Re: Brooks Vs. Culpepper or Delhomme
 

This is unreal.

Not even a full 2 or 3 hours after the game.....SaintsWhodi is so heartbroken by the loss that he comes to the forum, gleefully starting up some kind of QB comparison.

Brooks has 1 really good game, 1 decent game, and 1 horrible game......while Culpepper has 2 horrible games, and 1 outstanding game. Were you actually rooting for the Vikings to win this game today, just so you could start this post? Culpepper, Brooks, and Delhomme are all QBs of 1-2 teams at this point. It is what it is.

But you know what? I don't even have the energy to defend Brooks after yesterday's game. There's not one Saints player that I have the desire to defend right now. Maybe next week, we can be "Hatfield/McCoy" with each other once more......but for now, you're on your own. Brooks played like crap yesterday, and I am angry at everyone, him included. I created a new post yesterday, ripping nearly every member of the team.....but it was either deleted or didn't go through.

You know.....I woudln't be so mad if I thought they weren't any better than this. But I know they are alot better than they've played these last 2 weeks. THE SAINTS ARE NOT THIS BAD.

Next week is do or die. We will find out alot about the "character" of this Saints team next week when they face a good, but certainly not unbeatable, Buffalo Bills team.

WTF? Again, from the guy who singled out Jake Delhomme in week one? Do you keep a glass of hypocrite juice close by? And if it's a team game, why haven't you addressed all these "Jake lost the game for Carolina" posters? Oh I get it, when Aaron screws up horribly, it's a TEAM game, but when another QB screws up, he lost the game. Yup, done again.

Anyone who considers a game with 1 TD and 4 turnovers decent is not even worth debating. Glad you see Brooks for what he is and decided not to defend him though.

I would have to add THEY still lost lost the game! The whole frickin team sucks.

Re: Yes Aaron sucks...
 

Frank, it is simple , actually.



1.- Jake takes responsibility of his actions when he screws up and his team loses, but credits everyone but himself when his team wins. Sound bites like " I'm greatful of where I am", "without Stephen Davis/Steve Smith/o-line/ we don't win"; "I screwed up, it's my fault", "they were right to boo us, we stunk the place up", can go on and on, but you get the idea...
2.- You'll never hear Jake claiming himself "top 5", or that he's being "disrespected"
3.- Cares none about stats
4.- He's a leader.
4.- He's a local boy (nothing wrong with being a homer, that's why you cheer for the Saints to begin with).

As for Culpepper, I have to admit that all these years I was led to believe he was good by the media. He's not that good. Guess when you are lofting balls so Randy Moss can make a play on the ball, you look good...

RE: Re: Yes Aaron sucks...
 

Could not have said it better myself Reiper.

AB is not and never has been nor ever will be a LEADER! M-O-N-E-Y is AB's only goal, and this is his last tit to suck dry. When and if we ever get rid of this clown lets see how much another team will be willing to pay him and will he start.

RE: Re: Yes Aaron sucks...
 

Guys, our defense was all over Culpepper for 2 1/2 quarters. (End of the 2nd, the 3rd, and 4th) Look at how many sacks we had. We constantly had people in the backfield over and over again going after Culpepper. How many interceptions did he have? How many fumbles did he have? How many dumb drive killing plays did he have?

If the only thing that was switched in this game was the quarterback (Brooks and Culpepper playing for the opposite team), the Saints would have racked up a come back win.

There is NO way Brooks can handle the pressure that Culpepper handled. Brooks was blitzed on occaision and he was running backwards like a little league quarterback. Culpepper was blitzed on nearly every single play in the last two quarters. We were constantly in his face and he was still making plays.

As far as Delhomme goes, I personally think he shouldn't be any higher than a back-up quarterback. However, he did lead his team to a Super Bowl and nearly win it. He's good.

Between Culpepper and Brooks, well, there really is no comparison.

We played damn good defense for 2 1/2 quarters. We were getting all sorts of pressure on Culpepper. We constantly had people in the backfield. We racked up a rediculous amount of sacks.

On the other hand, we didn't play good offense for a single quarter. Pathertic.

Yeah, I see him for what he is, a good QB who had a horrible game yesterday, and needs to snap out of that pretty damn quickly if this team is going to go remotely anywhere.

As I already said....there's not one Saints player whose performance I care to defend from yesterday. I firmly believe they're gonna snap out of it....I just hope it's not Game 11 of the season before it happens.

First mistake.

Why don't you go look at the last 7 games he has played. That would be the 4 wins last year, and the three games this year. The only times he has looked REMOTELY decent is in the Carolina games. Other than that, outside a couple of 4th quarter miracle catches at Tampa by Joe Horn, he has played horrible. Dallas game, horrible. 3 1/2 quarters of the Tampa game, horrible, Atlanta game, horrible. Add tha tot he backward pass, underhanded lineman pass, and leading the league in red zone turnovers and somehow out of that you get a good QB who had a horrible game? Boy you are deluded.

Get off Jake's nuts for about three seconds. This conversation is about Aaron Brooks now. Is the only defense you have for Aaron Brooks to try and bring down Jake Delhomme? That's weaker than the usual BS. Let me solve this debate for you on that topic, post Jake's superbowl stats please. You can spout off numbers from his FIRST SEASON AS A STARTER well, so post his numbers from last year, with half the team out, then post Brooks. After you finsih embarrassing yourself over that, get back to Brooks and ask yourself, what does Brooks sucking have to do with Jake Delhomme and why that is your only defense for Aaron? Maybe some counseling will help your obsession. So to recap, Jake's stats in the superbowl against the Pats, then his follow up last season, as compared to Brooks Superbowl numbers, and his stats from last season. I'll be waiting. Then, tell me what that has to do with Brooks sucking 5 of the last 7 games the Saints have played?

I'm sorry, what does that have to do with someone being hypocritical about football being a team game only when it comes to Aaron Brooks? When your comprehension passes 2nd grade, get back at me. Until then, stay out of grown folks' business. And what I posted about Jake Delhomme was him winning the QB challenge. Boy, that burned you for the whole summer. Damn, that's sad. Obsess much? Oh, yes you do. LMAO!!!

I'm sorry, what? Cause I caught you in a lie about Cowboys fans you try to call me a liar? I said I wanted Jake over Aaron last year, wow, you discovered America, no wait that was Columbus. What else can you announce that we all already know? Maybe you can tell the secret that my screen name is saintswhodi. I am sure noone knows that. Are you a real person? I bet you right now I said no such thing EVERY DAY. I bet I said it every time you made some jackass statements like you are doing now. And I am backpedaling? Mr. our playoff win doesn't count cause we played no playoff teams that season, when we did? You can't be serious. I have yet to see Jake's Superbowl Stats, and his stats from last year. When are you gonna provide those for us? Don't try to deflect now like you do with Brooks. Let me make this clear Capt. Obvious, I WISH JAKE WAS OUR QB AND NOT AB. I THINK AB SUCKS. Now that that is out the way, tell me Jake's Superbowl stats, then his stats from last year, and compare his stats from last year to Aaron's. If you are not backpedaling, your next post will have this info, and no more deflection crap.

So in other words, no you aren't gonna post Jake's Superbowl stats, and no you aren't gonna compare his numbers and AB's last year. Thank you, that settles that. I am glad you agree Jake is the better QB.

Wait, I missed this. Did you just try to burn me with something I said over the summer, as opposed to something I said LAST YEAR? Did you really just post that? Dude, you need a class.

In your world, does the past summer equal last year? Cool. Try again.

Did I "single him out" or was I simply happy to see him fail? I'd ask you to be honest, but then there IS a history...


You of all people should know.

Here's a Jake Delhomme Superbowl stat for ya Mr. Numbers...he lost. Get your nose out of his a$$. Still waiting on your TEAM grade from a previous page in this thread. Aren't you gonna tell us all how the loss yesterday was all Brooks' fault?

What's amazing about this statement is how obviously steamed you were about my thread when Jake lost on opening day, to a Saints team with your self-proclaimed "Clown" as QB. You took it personally as I recall. Remember how upset you were? Remember how you tried to turn it into a Brooks/Delhomme debate and got smacked down for it.

Obsess much? YOU, are done. ;) LMMFAO

saintfan, maybe you can join that class with black. You SPECIFICALLY called me out in that thread. You didn't say Delhomme sucked and left it at that. No, you had to make reference to something I said about Disney in another thread, and then make certain everyone knew there were three specific people you were calling out over and over and over. Dude, you suck at this game, called knowing what the hell you are talking about. I took it personally that you called me out, not what you said about Jake. See the difference? Prob not. Intelligence is not your strong suit. Can you get more clueless Alicia Silverstone?

Wait, LMAO!!! Here goes Mr. Hypocrite again:

He lost? But earlier it was:

Do tell Mr. Hypocrite. Seriously, do you just post for my amusement, cause you do a great job. ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!

http://www.blackandgold.net/site/ind...wtopic&t=10700

That oughta do it.

You're done.

http://www.panthers.com/news/newsroo...l.jsp?id=20821

Jake gets it. Whodi can't grasp it. Not so amazing really.

It's called locking on to one WR. Maybe he doesn't get it afterall. LOL

And some wanna blame Brooks for it all. I think the above should be required reading...

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlot...s/12743039.htm

Anybody got some fairy dust?

:monkey:

I'm sorry but WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?! You make a thread called Jake Jake Jake, single out his passing grade as your first example, and continue to call people out until they respond, but in this thread when it's Aaron Brooks it's:

and somehow you think that proves you're NOT a hypocrite? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

OMG!!! That was TERRIBLE!!!! I have never, EVER, well wait I have, look who I am talking to, you ALWAYS make yourself look worse by posting what you think is "evidence." Holy crap. I was so down after LSU lost last night, but seeing this made me laugh so hard I almost bust a gut. You ARE here for my own personal amusement. I wonder if I can make you go play in traffic next. LMAO!!!!

I am sorry, but then, you quote Jake as saying you should be judged on wins and losses, and then say I don't get it? If that's the standard, the last two years Jake has more wins than Aaron, more playoff wins, and a Superbowl trip. SO since that's what I am not getting, thanks for showing me the light. You just proved Jake was better by making me "get it." saintfan, you have to be the WORST at arguing a point I have ever seen. How do you constantly blow your own arguments up? Is that the plan? This is hilarious!!!!

Joe Horn anyone? Now it's Conwell.

Name one person who blames Brooks for it ALL. Just one. You will NEVER find a post with me saying it. Simply another lie to boost just a horrible series of arguments. Go get some sleep. You're out of your depth junior.

Sry but Brooks isnt the answer for this team we need a QB who can make smart decisions some one who can hold the football in his hands!!! not fumble when he goes to throw... pitiful !