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saintswhodi 09-25-2005 04:20 PM

This is a cute way of saying not Aaron Brooks fault everyone. HE is never the problem and you guys should ignore the fact that his turnovers killed us, AGAIN. Or the fact he had a 1.9 rating at one point. Or the fact that he looks totally confused in the pocket. Or the fact that he is still throwing rocket shots over the middle, when the ref had to duck, and Conwell had to dive for the ball instead of a touch pass that would have kept him on his feet and running wide open, or leading Shad Meier into getting blasted, or the NUMEROUS times they showed video clips of receivers being open, and Brooks not seeing them or short hopping lazer shots to them. Noone look at that. Deflect, deflect, deflect. Classic.

GoldenTomb 09-25-2005 04:26 PM

All that statement goes to prove is that the QB's play is crucial no matter how good the Defense is....you just proved our point for us....thanks.

saintswhodi 09-25-2005 04:28 PM

I'm sorry, in THIS thread, what does Brooks sucking have to do with Jake Delhomme? And the Panthers aren't even IN the game if not for Jake, but Brooks helped kick us right out the game. But let's focus on Brooks here, explain to me how he had no fault for THIS loss, since his three turnovers(really 4 but with Brooks you get to pick and choose which TOs count) had nothing to do with our losing. LMAO!!

spkb25 09-25-2005 04:28 PM

i think it was because we stink and need a new coach and to clean house

Rsanders24 09-25-2005 04:30 PM

Actually it was more of Steve Smith that kept the Panthers in the game!

saintswhodi 09-25-2005 04:33 PM

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Actually it was more of Steve Smith that kept the Panthers in the game!

Yeah, cause he throws the ball to himself. Classic. :roll:

saintswhodi 09-25-2005 04:40 PM

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Yeah, cause he throws the ball to himself. Classic.

Panthers at Dolphins
QB Jake Delhomme has not played well yet for the Panthers this season. Delhomme completed 11-of 26 passes for 154 yards, and a quarterback rating of 46.0, despite facing a New England team that was without three of its four cornerbacks for most of the game. One of Delhomme's biggest problems has been his decision-making in critical situations. However, ithe Panthers are now 3-1 in games in which he has thrown 11 or fewer completions.
• Take 2:Special teams will make difference
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6. The feel-good New Orleans Saints will fade quickly because Aaron Brooks is the most fraudulent QB in the NFL.

Saints fans better enjoy the Week 1 miracle because Brooks will continue to get in the way of the Saints' enjoying consistent success. The Saints have the necessary personnel to field a potent offense -- a decent line, top-flight receivers and a big-play running back.

However, Brooks is the anti-Tom Brady. Brooks makes stupid decisions, has zero leadership ability and isn't particularly tough or poised in the pocket.

Rsanders24 09-25-2005 04:42 PM

Delhomme threw the pass but it was the YAC that made the difference on that 53 yard TD that put them back in the game.

saintswhodi 09-25-2005 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rsanders24
Delhomme threw the pass but it was the YAC that made the difference on that 53 yard TD that put them back in the game.

That's one TD, what about the other two? Or what about Devery's what, 60 something yard play padding Brooks' pass numbers for this game? Do you really wanna play that game?

Rsanders24 09-25-2005 04:48 PM

From the looks of the first three games the Saints will get in the way of their ability to enjoy sucess. The last two weeks we started down 7-0 the the first minute of the game. If I was a head coach I would kick the ball off even if I won the toss at these odds. And I don't know what's wrong with #26 but he better get it going! It looks like he lost all of his moves!

LordOfEntropy 09-25-2005 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rsanders24
The last two weeks we started down 7-0 the the first minute of the game

You noticed that too, eh?

It's an inexcusable problem. It extends back for years, not just this year. We simply - must - suck the opening quarter of most games. One play into the game, down 7. Three minutes into the game, down 10 or 14.

I was saying the same thing to my girlfriend during the game this week.. Why don't we kick at the opening, or just let the ball bounce? It'd be better than recent history.

The consistency of it is the killer. That's a coaching problem.

Rsanders24 09-25-2005 04:58 PM

THe point is still that HE didn't lead HIS team to a victory either!

Euphoria 09-25-2005 05:19 PM

its the O-line they suck

frankeefrank 09-25-2005 06:08 PM

I kind of see the loss as the whole team isn't very good.
Aaron Brooks,
Aaron Stecker
Fred McAfee
EVERYONE

lynwood 09-25-2005 06:23 PM

This team will not get to the Superbowl with AB at the quaterback period. We won't get back to the playoffs with him unless it's by default having an 8-8 season. His passes are too hard, too low, not hitting the receivers in stride. Having catch up stats didn't impress me last year and so far it doesn't this year. AB had one of his fluke games already against Carolina. He's due one more.

GoldenTomb 09-25-2005 06:23 PM

It's no wonder...the coaching sucks. Why is this such a surprise all of a sudden. Thats why you blow it up and just start over. Offense, defense the whole shabang.

And yes that includes dumping Brooks.

FireVenturi 09-25-2005 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rsanders24
Delhomme threw the pass but it was the YAC that made the difference on that 53 yard TD that put them back in the game.

i agree, i think that jake as well as AB both stink. the difference is defense and that Jake's WR's always make circus catches. AB's Wr's do...sometimes!

lynwood 09-25-2005 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenTomb
It's no wonder...the coaching sucks. Why is this such a surprise all of a sudden. Thats why you blow it up and just start over. Offense, defense the whole shabang.

And yes that includes dumping Brooks.

I don't want to sit through two to three years of a rebuilding stage. We do have some pieces in place to carry us into the playoffs. What we lack is Leadership and consistancy from AB. On defense a true leader on Defense to include a Bloodlusting Linbacker. I would like to seee them sit AB for a game just to show that he can get benched. Also would like to see Smith or stecker carry the ball more as well. Duece is okay through the tackles but we need to mix it up with some outside sweeps. That can be blamed on playcalling.

GoldenTomb 09-25-2005 06:44 PM

Well the fact of the matter is this....we need to get rid of the coach because that is the only way that we will draft a LB in the first round, get an impact CB and DT in free agency, teach our o line to block and get rid of AB. However getting rid of Has would mean that we would be rebuilding. Gotta start it sometime. We gave him 5 years and he's yielded no results. You have to cut your losses somewhere. This problem is much bigger than a few players.

GoldenTomb 09-25-2005 06:48 PM

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Leadership comes from your Coaches, AB is at fault for somethings. But yet again you and others include him as either 1 or 2 of the problems when in truth the things he does that are f*k-ups might be around problem 4-5.

2000-2005 combined add them together this teams defense hasn't scored even 10 scoring TD'S. The Bear have more right now then this team has gotten combined over the past 5 years!

These are the things you people keep missing! Scoring defense, turnovers that's winning football. NFL Teams feed off of their defense!!!!!! Never, never have you heard a Coach say that his team feeds off his offense.it's always the latter. Defense gives up a TD on every opening play?????? turnovers mind you are a part of football, every team does them and they are supposed to fight through them.

Uhhh i think everyone knows our D sucks. Most of them need to go....but Brooks does too, sorry.

lynwood 09-25-2005 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackonBlack
Leadership comes from your Coaches, AB is at fault for somethings. But yet again you and others include him as either 1 or 2 of the problems when in truth the things he does that are f*k-ups might be around problem 4-5.

2000-2005 combined add them together this teams defense hasn't scored even 10 scoring TD'S. The Bear have more right now then this team has gotten combined over the past 5 years!

These are the things you people keep missing! Scoring defense, turnovers that's winning football. NFL Teams feed off of their defense!!!!!! Never, never have you heard a Coach say that his team feeds off his offense.it's always the latter. Defense gives up a TD on every opening play?????? turnovers mind you are a part of football, every team does them and they are supposed to fight through them.

So now the Defense is supposed to do the Offense's job and score the points. I wonder how many coaches plan for the Defense's scores to win games. Your argument is just insane. The defense is just that, Defend and prevent scoring. Scoring defenses are a luxery or a nice gift when it happens. I believe last year our defense had quite a few takaways but the offense could not convert. Also when the offense or special teams gives the ball up in the red zone you should expect points one way or another unless it's our offense. To hold them to 3 points is the best that can be expected at least with a takaway a pleasent surprise.

GoldenTomb 09-25-2005 07:09 PM

Uhhh I think he's makes sense. Who in the world plans on defensive scoring to win a game. When it happens it's good but no coach plans on it. It's one thing to say that the defense sucks we all know that. It's quite another to say that they should be scoring points for us. I saw you wrote in another post that the offense can struggle but the D is not supposed to. That's ridiculous.

If our D had stopped them on that first possesion, what makes you think we would've been able to score anyway. Didn't you see that we were like 2 for 11 on third down....AB had a QB rating of 1.9 at one point??? I guess thats the D's fault too though.

lynwood 09-25-2005 07:09 PM

So build a defense, depend on them to score, and just have offense on the field to meet the rules? Did you just start watching football? are you from another country? Last year our offense couldn't convert on takeaways. And just by your argument that the defense needs to score for us to win you pretty much by default admit that our offense is an overpaid practice squad. How many superbowls did that Mora defense win us or playoff games for that matter? If you can't have an offense to control the clock or score if the defense can't score for them then why have an offense? And yes I just finished potty training and i still understand more about the game than you do.

lynwood 09-25-2005 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackonBlack
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Uhhh i think everyone knows our D sucks. Most of them need to go....but Brooks does too, sorry.

Yeah, you're right everyone knows our defense sucks!! Every team we're gonna play knows our defense sucks. Quote by Sterling Sharp on Friday Playbook: "the Saints defense will cure all the Vikings ailments".

What do you think Sterling meant by saying this on Friday??! what does he know that obviously most of you don't know????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there are teams in the NFL right now today, that have more defensive scores than the Saints defense has combined over the past five years. Marinate your brain on that for a while.

Do we really have to dig up quotes on how many times AB makes boneheaded plays and how inconsistant he is? Yeah the defense isn't the greatest but they do give us a chance. 3 and outs by our offense doesn't really give us a chance now does it? or 2 of 11 passing? Take another toke.

lynwood 09-25-2005 07:17 PM

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Uhhh I think he's makes sense. Who in the world plans on defensive scoring to win a game. When it happens it's good but no coach plans on it. It's one thing to say that the defense sucks we all know that. It's quite another to say that they should be scoring points for us. I saw you wrote in another post that the offense can struggle but the D is not supposed to. That's ridiculous.

If our D had stopped them on that first possesion, what makes you think we would've been able to score anyway. Didn't you see that we were like 2 for 11 on third down....AB had a QB rating of 1.9 at one point??? I guess thats the D's fault too though.
Ask Lovie Smith, in his Monday press conference he said he gave his defense a goal of 10TD'S this season. They had 5 going into this sunday.

As far as every other Coach will tell you, like the Ravens, the Buc's, the Colts-Manning had 0TD'S prior to this sunday. Every Coach wants defensive scores, most build there teams that way, ask Mora did you just become a Saints fan?? Must have, cause a long time Saints fan knows our defense scored just as much as our offense when we were good going into the playoffs 4 times straight we never, never, never went because of our offense!

So just getting to the playoffs and getting knocked out in the first round is good enough for you?

GoldenTomb 09-25-2005 07:17 PM

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Uhhh i think everyone knows our D sucks. Most of them need to go....but Brooks does too, sorry.

Yeah, you're right everyone knows our defense sucks!! Every team we're gonna play knows our defense sucks. Quote by Sterling Sharp on Friday Playbook: "the Saints defense will cure all the Vikings ailments".

What do you think Sterling meant by saying this on Friday??! what does he know that obviously most of you don't know????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there are teams in the NFL right now today, that have more defensive scores than the Saints defense has combined over the past five years. Marinate your brain on that for a while.

OK....lets try this again. Every Saints fan knows that the D sucks, so who are u arguing with....yourself?? It doesnt change the fact that the O sucks too, and Brooks still needs to go....sorry.

Dude just drop the defensive scoring theory. The D's job is to DEFEND not score. How many defensive scores did the Colts have last year???

lynwood 09-25-2005 07:22 PM

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Do we really have to dig up quotes on how many times AB makes boneheaded plays and how inconsistant he is? Yeah the defense isn't the greatest but they do give us a chance. 3 and outs by our offense doesn't really give us a chance now does it? or 2 of 11 passing? Take another toke.

15fumbles/16INTS/19TD'S...Those are the QB'ing numbers of the 2003 runner up. Peyton Manning threw for 120yds last week, 0TD'S the past2, both wins by his team. No matter what you say I can find the numbers to back mine up.

I can find numbers too. Heck anyone can to advance their argument for their side.. It's your argument base that doesn't hold water. You seem to be the only one saying Defense needs to score for us to win. What about a defense that holds the other team scoreless? Then what do you expect the offense to do?

lynwood 09-25-2005 07:24 PM

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OK....lets try this again. Every Saints fan knows that the D sucks, so who are u arguing with....yourself?? It doesnt change the fact that the O sucks too, and Brooks still needs to go....sorry.

Dude just drop the defensive scoring theory. The D's job is to DEFEND not score. How many defensive scores did the Colts have last year???

So dude, are you saying Mora had it wrong? Lovie.Smith in Chicago, Tampa, Ravens, Ditka with Buddy Ryan and the 46' defense.

you mean in all the stats of every Superbowl winner, playoff advancer always being upper echelon in scoring defense they all arew wrong and you're right?

yes

GoldenTomb 09-25-2005 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackonBlack
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Uhhh I think he's makes sense. Who in the world plans on defensive scoring to win a game. When it happens it's good but no coach plans on it. It's one thing to say that the defense sucks we all know that. It's quite another to say that they should be scoring points for us. I saw you wrote in another post that the offense can struggle but the D is not supposed to. That's ridiculous.

If our D had stopped them on that first possesion, what makes you think we would've been able to score anyway. Didn't you see that we were like 2 for 11 on third down....AB had a QB rating of 1.9 at one point??? I guess thats the D's fault too though.
Ask Lovie Smith, in his Monday press conference he said he gave his defense a goal of 10TD'S this season. They had 5 going into this sunday.

As far as every other Coach will tell you, like the Ravens, the Buc's, the Colts-Manning had 0TD'S prior to this sunday. Every Coach wants defensive scores, most build there teams that way, ask Mora did you just become a Saints fan?? Must have, cause a long time Saints fan knows our defense scored just as much as our offense when we were good going into the playoffs 4 times straight we never, never, never went because of our offense!

OK so Lovie Smith and the Chicago Bears should be the benchmark for us....keep digging your hole. How did they do today by the way??

What does the Defense have to do with 2 for 11 on third down???

Or 2 fumbles??

Or 2 interceptions???

Stop living in the past...it's 2005 now. The Dome Patrol and the 3-4 is gone. Today our D sucks, our O sucks and Aaron Brooks STILL needs to go, sorry.

I'm so sure that John Fox is saying....we would've won if our cornerbacks had run back a couple of INTs back for touchdowns....lo

So tell me...how many defensive touchdowns a game is adequate for you?? If we had one for each of the past 2 games we would have still lost, right????

lynwood 09-25-2005 07:27 PM

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It doesnt change the fact that the O sucks too, and Brooks still needs to go....sorry.

And if you are throwing that in there with the hopes it bothers me? First off the Coach needs to go, with a New Coach in place if he decides AB needs to go, contact me i'll pay for his bus ticket! But unlike you guys i know even with a new coach AB will probably still be here.

I seriously doubt that a new coach would want to carry over brooks. Why would he want a proven bonehead playmaker that is hot two games out of 16? If that coach does that chalk up another losing season.

lynwood 09-25-2005 07:37 PM

you don't have a point. you asked a question I answerd it. What you think is your point is a delusion. You are the only one on this board saying the defense should be responsible for scoring points. How did San Francisco win all those games or St. Louis win? Are they wrong? I'll answer that one for you, yes. On a team you want Balance. A ball contrlling offense that can score and a defense that doesn't let the game get away.

lynwood 09-25-2005 07:39 PM

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I seriously doubt that a new coach would want to carry over brooks. Why would he want a proven bonehead playmaker that is hot two games out of 16? If that coach does that chalk up another losing season.

Believe me Pal, the only people that see it the way you see it, are limited. The true NFL people, see issues with AB, and i'll never deny it, but they see are far, far, far bigger problem than him! And this is what ya'll can't get past AB.

My problem is not with AB alone but starts with him. Change is gonna happen it's just a matter of when. Some say now, some say when McPhearson is ready. But he is going to go.

CheramieIII 09-25-2005 09:12 PM

I don't understand either the offense was made easier for him and he is worse than year than ever. Does anyone want to attempt to explain that. Turnovers and the coach are the other problems that we need to address immediately or its over fellas.

SapperSaint 09-26-2005 12:13 AM

I will explain AB's playbook (the revised edition)

1. Get behind the center. He has a hand towel hanging off his ass.

2. Say the words.. HIKE.

3. When the center hands you the ball try your best to hold on to it.

4. Try and look for someone to throw the ball to.

4a. Try to make sure they have the same color uniform as you have on.

5. If all of this fails, go to the side lines and laugh about it with the coach.

Any questions? Good, class dismissed!


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