deuce?
 

dude this guy has not looked like himself since the 03 season. man he had 5 runs over 20 yards last season. he hasn't had one this season that i remember. what the hell is going on. is it the runs being called or the line or what the hell is up.

I blame the o-line and the play calling for the large portion of his problems. Still, he's the single most expensive non-factor in the NFL.

yeah man something is wrong and that much is for sure

So its the O-line and play calling why deuce is failing? could that be the same reason AB is failing? NO it isn't. they both sukkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's the play calling and the line.....
You cant run every play UP THE DAMN MIDDLE!!!!
How bout some traps, counters, pitches ,sweeps.....anything but up the middle.....
McCarthy is starting not to look so bad.

In defence of Deuce and the O Line, its hard to get the running game going when you are down 14 points, trying to catch up in the 4th. If our defence would give us a chance maby we could get the run game started.

I believe that if Deuce can't be effective running the ball consistently, then pass to him a couple of times. Short passes having him run for yards after the catch will open up the offense a little. There's no reason why we should throw less than 3 passes to Deuce in a game.

I personally think he has lost some speed.

Another year with your griping about the O- line ???

They could rebuild it with the starting line for the N.F.C. Pro Bowl team and opposing teams would still spy Deuce and Brooks would still not be able to get 8 out of the box and would take too long making his reads ..... :wink:

Face it -- they are stacking the line and taking away the deep pass to make AB beat them with the short pass. Ab has not been consistent enough to sustain a long drive using the short pass.

Yeah, he does seem a little slower, but our O line just isn't providing any protection...not for the run, not for the pass. On most plays, the D is getting past our O in the blink of an eye.

I'm not terribly fond of AB, but I can't fault him as much this year as I have in the past...he's getting NO protection on most plays.
Equally, it's a rare play that Deuce has a decent hole to run through.

The blame can't be put on any one player or group of players...to fail at this level is a team failure, top to bottom. :cry:

fh

We sacked Culpepper 7 times. Brooks was sacked 3. Somehow, Culpepper seemed to make the plays needed for his team to win the game, with Travis Taylor, Marcus Robinson, Jermaine Wiggins, rookie williamson, and Mewelde Moore, as opposed to pro bowl Joe Horn, Donte Stallworth, Deuce Mcallister, and Ernie Conwell and Devery Henderson. He had just as much pressure as Brooks. I ain't buying that O-line not giving time crap again. If you have QB who can make quick reads and better decisions, you don't need a lot of time.

Not sure if I can accurately comment since I was only able to listen to the game on the radio instead of TV (damned Fox 33 was out due to storm issues)......but didn't the majority of the sacks on Culpepper happen in the 2nd half? Coincidently enough, the Vikings were pretty much shut out in the 2nd half as a result....until late in the 4th qtr when the Saints had shot themselves in the foot one time too many.

As for the QB decisions, it's important to remember that Brooks was in more of a position to have to gamble, as opposed to Culpepper who was blessed with being able to build up a 24-0 lead before the sacks really started pouring in. Notwithstanding, Brooks played horrible in this game, and I hope to hell he bounces back against Buffalo.

What game were you watching. err listening to? Turnovers gave the Vikes that lead, one from Stecker on the opening kickoff where they started in the red zone, one from Brooks' INT. The drive before Brooks' INT he threw a pass to Meier that got him jacked up like Conwell, and a pass to Donte Stallworth that hit him on the back of his feet on an out. As a matter of fact, there was a point in time where the Fox affiliate showed all the open receivers Brooks missed, either through not seeing them, or bad passes. You switch Brooks for Culpepper, we win. Let's not forget we were driving and only down 8 when he threw the INT that killed us. The Vikes had 147 total yards rushing, we had 114. Not a big difference, especially when you factor in we were averaging 5.7 yards per rush to their 3.9. Our first 7 possessions went fumble, punt punt, INT, punt, punt, punt, mainly on the back of bad passes. Plus we sacked Culpepper FOUR TIMES in the first half, as opposed to two for Brooks, which means he was only sacked once more inthe second half, so no the majority of the sacks on Culpepper did nto occur in the secodn half. Here's the gamebook:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebo...0050925_NO@MIN

I agree that Culpepper had lots of pressure on him too. But before the pressure was on him, the Vikes built up a big lead. With good pressure, the Vikes O was pretty much shut down.

Team Failure.
For the first two quarters, it looked like none of our beloved Saints were in the game mentally. QB, RBs, O line, D, it was a sad sight.

The 3rd quarter looked pretty good, points on the board, good pressure on Culpepper. The D started getting fired up. They were mounting a pretty good comeback...then it all fell apart again.

Time to revive that old joke from the 80's: What do the Saints have in common with a tampon? Only good for 1 period.

Looks like it. You've seen something in them this year that causes you to feel differently then? Let's hear it.

as far as deuce himself he still doesn't look quite as quick or fast to me either. he may not be elite but he is still very good. good enough to carry the load for a succesful running game. i think smith a great backup too btw. he does have 12 catches so far that is more towards his '03 69 total rather than the 34 last year. he got 1000 yds on a leg and a half last year. less than 1200-1400 (with no injuries) would be a disappointment. it will take about 85 yds a game to reach that.

One sack occured on Culpepper during their 17-0 run. Hard to fight back from that. As for all the other stuff......I think I covered that when I said this:

I thought we were hoping he "bounced back" from the horrible Giants game? How many "hope he bounces backs" does he need? lol

Well, Culpepper apparently needed 2.

So maybe that's Brooks's magic number :).

Touche. :duel:

I guess we'll see, and i'll see it live and in person. :D

Yeah I'm thinkin about hittin up one of the Tiger Stadium games this year.....possibly the Sabin Bowl.

How much was your ticket for the Alamodome?

My pops is a season ticket holder, so I didn't have to pay anything. But they were a slow as $30 in what would be the terrace in the dome, and about $140 what would be loge(? the middle level) level. Don't know about the bottom, but I am pretty sure it was sold out. I ahve no info on Tiget Stadium prices.

Just beginning to look like your not a big Jack Henry fan .

Deuce has been very bad lately i dotn think we will see the 03 deuce again.....