QB of the future?
 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ael&id=2172056

We should trade the kitchen sink to get Rivers next year.

RE: QB of the future?
 

not a bad idea. i don't know about the sink but not to bad an idea. i want a new coach first though

RE: QB of the future?
 

Wish they would package a trade for Rivers based upon a renegotiation of contract at his current level for Darren Howard .....

That would be the sweetest steal in the N.F.L. .....

I just read that before I came here and I was wondering what it would take to get Rivers. Or Brees if they don't keep him.

No!

Rivers is a talent, for sure. Dunno about the kitchen sink thing, though. Hmm.. come to think of it, I don't know if we aquired another one after Ditka-Williams thing.


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anyone is better than who we have now. how does a quarterback fumble so much? It just boggles me

You can go ahead and stop this now. If you want to joke with me like this, fine with me. But this thread will not follow the same path as some of it's predecessors.

We couldn't beat the Giants, so what's your point?

Can you put Rolaids spells Relief across the bottom of the hood on your avatar ????

I would think with that going you could bring in some serious side pocket change from Rolaids ......

Rivers hasn't thrown a pass in the NFL. Why trade anything?

Coaching staff first... without a change in the coaching staff, there will be no changes at QB no matter what.

BnB is about a eloquent as a side swipe from an 18 wheeler .

Let me help you out Black on Black

It is too late in the season for this bull . Calling posters out is a no no . If you want to place a side bet PM the poster .

Otherwise a moderator might take this as an offensive remark and delete the post and then the poster ..... :wink:

No kidding .

Not like anyone would get a fair shot with Fumbalaya Brooks on the Roster .

Brees definately warrants consideration if he's let go by the Chargers next offseason. Unlike AB, he's continued to improve and not regress. Look if we go 8-8 or less again... this team is in for major changes at every position, including the quarterback. I thought this offseason was a success, but so far it doesn't appear so. It still too soon to tell, but I hope we gel very soon or we're in for a long ride (which is the norm for us Saints fans).

So you are blaming Brees for leading his team to an 1-2 start? Why don't you go check out his numbers and then blame him. They lost to two good teams... what's your point? You talk about how LT performed the last game and then won... why not talk about the first two games when they lost? When the Chargers were blowing all those years, they had no where near the defense they have now. LT put up his ProBowl numbers every year when they blew or not... they still didn't get into the playoffs until Brees and the defense improved their play.

Like who.. AB?

He doesn't appear to have a fumbling problem like Brooks. You see if Drew were to fumble, someone probably sacked him. Now Brooks on the other hand... No one said if Drew were on this team we'd be a playoff team or be dramatically better. We don't have the defense and running game to support him as I can see the point you are TRYING to make with Brooks. But... AB is definately not the leader that this offense needs. He hasn't shown it the past 4 years and he still isn't. It safe to say after this season it's time for a change... if we don't make it into the playoffs that is. How many more years of this do you willing to tolerate?

You mean like Ditka did to Everett ???

You could not bring in Tom Brady and make us contenders. The major problem is the coaching. Get new coaching and the players WILL perform. Brooks has to go and now.

Rivers maybe a good fit. We need to see what A-Mac is going to do first before we even talk about giving up the kitchen sink for another player.

What's that I see off in the distance...........Ditka with DREEDLOCKS?!?!?!?!

If I were looking for a short-stop for my church softball team, Rivers might be a good choice, since he has that side-arm throw going for him. I think those side-arm throws are going to get batted down more often than not in the NFL. If we are going to give up the farm for a QB, make it someone like Lienart(sp), or someone like that who throws like a conventional QB. I don't want any more circus acts at the QB position.

Chargers GM emphatic: Rivers won't be traded
By John Clayton
ESPN.com


Chargers general manager A.J. Smith immediately put an end to any speculation about quarterback Philip Rivers, the backup quarterback who is behind Drew Brees. Any team interested in trading for Rivers won't have any luck. Rivers is not available.


"With the trading deadline approaching Oct. 18, we'd like to put an end to the swirling rumors that Philip Rivers is available for trade," Smith said. "Philip Rivers will be a Charger for the remainder of the season."


Smith was contacted because a growing number of stories circulated that the Jets could turn to Rivers as an option because of season-ending injuries to quarterbacks Chad Pennington and Jay Fiedler. One rumor had Jets middle linebacker Jonathan Vilma being involved in a possible trade proposal.


None of that will happen. Smith has a history of being definitive when he makes a statement. He engineered the trade to get Rivers to San Diego and likes his future as a quarterback. Brees took the Chargers to a 12-4 season and is firmly entrenched as the starting quarterback this season, a year in which he's under a one-year contract as a franchise player.


Smith won't make any determination on his quarterback of the future until the offseason. He organized the Chargers salary cap to be able to afford two quarterbacks this season. Brees starts and Rivers will back up for now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2175196

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Wow, so he's getting traded? :)

Seriously, though....let's just remember that if he was Ryan Leaf a few years ago sitting the bench, we would be chomping at the bit to get him. You never give away too much for a player who has never played an NFL down. (Though, I would take him for Howard.) Who knows what Rivers can do? I would take him, but let's remember that the Jets are more aggressive and higher profile than the Saints with the same need. They will nose us out of any deal, whether its Volek, Brees, or Rivers.

Another thing....people seem to think that Haz is gone after this year. I too am tired of watching the most undisciplined team in the league. I punched a hole in my bathroom door like a 12 year old last week. But.....I would be very surprised to see this organization make any moves after this year, regardless of the finish. (Oh yeah, write it down...we WILL go 8-8.) Haslett will get a pass even though this team looks exactly the same as they always have. He will be around till the end of '06 after the dust settles and the future of the Saints is clearer.

Loomis isn't a football guy and neither is Benson.....I think they will keep Jim around till things settle down. I'm not saying that I agree with that...I just think that's how this group operates. They don't give a damn about winning football. When Tom said we're going to the superbowl, you could tell that even he thought it was funny. They are happy with mediocrity and Jim can provide that for years to come.

Classic. I didn't make the thread, was like the 4th person to post in it, and you take offense with me. Your obsession is getting out of hand. There is nothing wrong with seeing what it would take to get Rivers. In case you haven't heard, QB competition is a GOOD thing, I know there is a fear it will expose Brooks even more though. I understand. :cry:

Ahhh, 08, you know me too well. Kinda scary, actually....

If we grabbed a legit starter, ala Brees/Volek/Rivers, there would be no competition. I would say if you make a move like that, you gotta get Brooks out of here....you can't have 2 big salaries in one place like SD does. And Brooks would get ugly fast in the face of such legit competition.

I've always thought Brooks would be a perfect fit for the silver and black. A couple of nice TDs a game downfield, a fumble or 2, a pick in the red zone....They have always been high in the yards penalized rankings. He would perfectly embody their shoot yourself in the foot while making some highlight reel plays mantra. Collins is old. Brooks to Raiders for a pick....we grab Volek/Rivers/Brees for Howard. I wouldn't complain if something like that went down.

Wondering who on the Texans we could use? I guess anyone from the O-line would be out, I guess. I'm not familiar with their defense and don't know if they have any run-stopping studs. They do need a "mobile" QB - someone who can run for his life...

...and the Texans will probably have a valuable pick come first round next year the way their season is goin'.

Just a thought.


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3 weeks in and we're already in offseason mode......

What a bunch of douchebags we are :jester:

Maybe we could get Heath Shuler to come our of retirement?

I'm intrigued with Rivers, but not so much that I'd be willing to pay him big money. Mainly because there should be quite a few QB shake-ups this off-season.

Guys to watch:

1. Brees--If he takes them to the playoffs, how can they deal him? If he's a available, he would be a nice pick up. I wouldn't mind a Howard for Brees sort of deal.

2. Rivers--Who knows? He really should be quite good, but how much of a chance has he really had to learn? And to this point, he hasn't been able to be a better option than Brees in San Diego. I wouldn't give the kitchen sink for him, but I'd be interested in him. The problem with him is that he's probably going to insist on being the starter where-ever he goes. Can he be a winner? I want to believe he's the real deal, but I am a Saints fan after all...

3. Leinart--Are we really going to be bad enough to pick #1 or desperate enough to trade up for #1? Looks like a can't miss prospect though.

4. Carr--I don't think Dom Capers will be able to save his job this season. Will the Texans be looking for a new signal caller too? If Carr is available, I like him.

5. Harrington--Almost a lock to be released. Won't throw the long ball and we have an offense designed to throw the long ball.

6. Ramsey--Has got to be done in Washington. Is Joe Gibbs right or could the kid be a starter somewhere. Even harder to evaluate than Rivers but with tons more film.

7. Marcus Vick--Do we keep ab one more year and try for this kid? Any chance he might come out early? (unlikely since Leinart has #1 all locked up--but one never knows with the Vick media machine) 4.28 speed and looks like he can actually throw the football with some accuracy. We've put off winning for a long time already, what's one more year?

8. Kyle Boller--Is Billick going to give him a chance to run the offense next season?

The BMG theory:
Brooks is going to have a monster cap number next year. I'd much rather deal him than cut him. It makes no sense to start A-Mac or anyone else this season if we want to come out on the winning end of a brooks trade. Let brooks pad his stats one more year and make some sort of "I'm a legendary qb on a mediocre team" comment and then let the new coach/gm deal him while we can get good value for him. We rid ourselves of a cancer and laugh all the way to the bank.

Right now, we might be able to interest teams like Arizona, Miami, Chicago, Detroit, KC, Baltimore, Houston, Oakland, Denver or the Jets in a guy like brooks.

But until we swing the trade, we just can't sit him. We endure him, we humor him, we cringe whenever he's on the field, but he stays on the field or we get nothing back from him but attitude. Some team will be so enamored with 3000 yards and 30 tds that they will ignore all the evidence and believe that they can win with brooks. Sitting him would be a foolish decision for us. Besides he is our best chance at a new coaching staff too. A-Mac buys Haslett more time, with ab he has to win right now.

Good read BMG, I guess I never looked at it that way before.

if ya missed this from the other thread-
i don't think anyone will be interested in brooks with a $6.25mil base coming next year. i think the bonus hits should be done so he can just be dropped unceremoniously.

from a good wwl article-
Mind you, I’m not factoring in a signing bonus and/or other bonuses. That information is even harder to come by. To be fair to Brooks, though, I’m not sure if his signing bonus will continue to be paid off in the coming years. But still, is Brooks worth a base salary of $5.5 million this coming season? I’d say no. Here’s more food for thought: my inside source, “guy who knows a guy,� told me a couple months ago that Brooks’ total salary from last year (2004) was third highest in the NFL, behind Culpepper and Manning. I don’t know about you, folks, but when I think of the three best quarterbacks in the league, I certainly don’t envision Aaron Brooks standing next to Culpepper and Manning. I could easily name ten guys whom I’d rather have as starting QBs over Brooks.

http://www.wwltv.com/sports/saints/s....fbda842d.html

Thanks LT and your damn right I don't think he even makes my top 20.

how come noone is metnioning omar jacobs. the kid looks great

OK 25, here it is: OMAR JACOBS, I thought I would make sure he got the shout out since you asked for it.

I absolutely love Omar Jacobs as I've mentioned him lots of times among the elite crop of quarterbacks that will declare for the draft next season. They guy has a good arm, athletic, and accurate as we can see by last year's stats of him. However he's not performing up to par to what he did last year. One guy that's emerged from the pack this season is Drew Stanton. If you haven't caught a Michigan State game, this would be a good weekend to do so. They are playing at Michigan and this guy is a beast. Tall, strong armed, and can also make plays with his feet. This guy looks better than Carson Palmer when he was still in college... and from what I've seen of him... blows Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith out of the water. Definately keep an eye out on this guy as I believe he'll be a finalist in the Heisman race if he continues at this pace.

With all that said... I probably just jinxed him. He'll blow against Michigan and make me look like an idiot. :doh: