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Brooks latest statement :

"I don't think they should have waited to renegotiate my contract , " Brooks said tuesday . " I don't accept that they had to get the others done first . I'd think they would want to keep me happy and show that they appreciate me , but they have not done it ."

Brooks said " Ask them why they're not showing me respect after all I've done for them . "

These are some key phrases from a recent article written for espn . com . Found on the web site .

It is rather interesting how Brooks does not take into account the major management transition , the need to get rookies into camp or the fact that an offer was made of 20 million with a 6 million signing bonus .

He only see's the fact that they should have made him happy . WOW !!!

Brooks has team leader written all over him ...

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That sounds like a rehash of the same quotes he made the first day back in training camp. Childish and selfish but a grain of truth there.

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I agree with what saintz08 has been saying about AB\'s leadership abilities. A team leader doesnt hold out of camp and cry about his contract. Joe Horn is unhappy with his contract also but he shows up and plays everyday without crying about it. I hope AB realizes that he is just making himself look bad everytime he crys about not getting paid. Show me the production and the money will come

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I suppose it never even enters Brooks mind that if it was not for the Saints taking a chance on Brooks , he would probably still be in Green bay riding pine as a back up to Favre ???

I suppose it never enters his mind that Mc Carthy had to reconfiigure the offense to accomodate his lack of judgement ???

I suppose it never enters his mind how he failed to lead his team out of a four game slide ???

All that enters his mind is show me the money ... NOW !!!



[Edited on 15/8/2002 by saintz08]

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Doesn\'t anybody wonder why Brooks is so frustrated about not having a new contract yet.

Could it be that he is not certain that he will produce this season and will have to take less at the end of the season.

If I were in his shoes I would wait until the end of the season and than start complaining about not having a new deal yet, it would give me much more leverage since other teams would start courting me.

But then again I would have to have a great season and maybe Brooks is not sure he will...

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personally i believe in brooks. I think that he is a good quaterback and will be a great quarterback in the future. There is no doubt in my mind that he is going to get the job done this year. But on the other hand i do understand what you guys are saying when he is being selfish. He should just let his agent talk for him. I think by coming out and saying what he is saying is lowering his value. He needs to shut up. He is going to get a good contract.


Aaron Brooks#1

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I have held back this one to long .

The reason why Brooks is carrying on and on is this .

And yes gentlemen , the Dirty Birds have found another way to cause the Saints misery .

Cousin Vick in Atlanta .

Vick , got the big check , the fancy house and the nice ride , for riding the pine and learning . Vick probably rubbed Brooks the wrong way at a family get together and told him how the Saints are not doing him right .

I say someone strap a pork chop around Vicks neck , when they play the Saints and he can spend 4 quarters running for his life screaming

WHO LET THE DAWGS OUT .

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I am sick of hearing his complaining. Each and everyone of us would trade places with him in a heart beat. If I were Loomis I would let him play out the season. If he does good, give him the money. If he does bad, make room for Eli Manning on this team.

[Edited on 22/8/2002 by MississippiSaint]

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I just want to Saints to sign him so he would shut up. Quit crying and start leading your team. I like Aaron and hope he stays, but I just wish he would shut up.

P.S. there is no way Eli Manning will be a Saint. As much as I would like to see a Manning back in black and gold it just wont happen.

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WISHFUL THINKING ON MY PART. :D

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How much does it cost to show your leadership? I do however have an idea for the Saints to sign him. Go ahead and pay him his 45 to 50 million dollars, and then subtract 1 million dollars for each interseption he threw last year. That might bring it down to what he\'s actually worth.

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Better idea

Put up or shut up contract .

Baseline him over 6 years at 2.5 million per season . Put incentive clauses up the wazoo in the contract . Pro Bowl , qb rating of , total yards of , etc. etc . A Ricky williams contract with a paycheck .

He thinks he is a top ten then let him prove it . That way he gets paid for his potential . If it is all hot air then he does not sail away with our salary cap .

Certainly a man who states his greatness , would have no problem in proving it . His leadership would be proven for he knows he can lead the team to victory and get the big check and the ring ...

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Wow, where do I start? Do we live in China or the USA? Do we live in a capitolist country or a communist? Here are the facts. Everyone who is anyone in football knows that Brooks is a stud that had some growing pains last year. Alot of you people talk about how he couldn\'t lead his team out of a 4 game slide last year. Don\'t any of you think the fact that the defense gave up 35-45 points a game in that stretch had alot to do w/ what Brooks could do offensively? Look at this fact. R. Williams had 1200 yards w/ 3 games to go. The coaching staff, gotta wonder if Benson was behind that call, never gave him the ball in those last 3 games. Why? I\'ll tell you why. 2 words. Insentive clause. So for everyone of you that have piled on Brooks about his actions as of late, look at how they shafted Williams. Brooks knows that there are 20 teams out there that will pay him top dollar and you can\'t blame the guy for wanted to get what is obviously out there for him. Jeff Lewis made more than he did for God\'s sake people. JEFF MF\'ING LEWIS. :casstet:
For the guy that said Brooks should be happy that the Saints gave him the opportunity, do you keep that same mentallity for your boss giving you a chance when your turn for a raise comes up? Do you say, \"Thanks for the chance bossman. I\'m ok w/ making $5.00 an hour.\"? I doubt it. Noone piled on Brian Griese for wanting the contract he wanted, and got. What happened there? Well, Denver is a winner and they paid him knowing that he\'s a young guy and gonna have downs, but he\'s clearly a stud and in the long run(3 years max) he\'ll be a top 5 QB of the NFL. Same w/ Brooks only the Saints aren\'t winners and never will be as long as Benson holds the ownership papers. I still love the Saints and always will, but until they take care of their stars financially like other teams in the league do, they\'ll never be champions. Note: Miami is already in the works of redoing Williams contract. I ask you would the Saints have done that for him?

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Just a thought. Maybe the defense wouldnt have given up 35-45 points a game in the last four had Brooks not thrown 11 ints and put them in bad situations. Im not blaming Brooks for what happened last year. You say Griese got his contract and is a winner. Since he has taken over after 2 superbowls the Broncos are 19-13. His own teammates dont even like him. Brooks has to show something better than 22 ints to prove he deserves the money hes asking for.

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Ya\'ll need to listen. In Baseball the contract in guaranteed. In football, the only guaranteed money is the signing bonus. Yeah, Brooks is a S-T-U-D, and if you wanna blame him for last year\'s slide fine, but who get\'s the blame all the other Saints slides from past seasons. This guy is THE best QB the Saints have seen since Archie hands down. Should he be complaining about it in the Media...ummm, NO, but you can put a lot of that on his agent. Brooks made his point, and it\'s a good one. He did the right thing by showing up and working out. Ya\'ll need to understand that this guy could have a career ending injury TOMORROW and it\'s all over. Heck yeah he wants as much as he can get, and no one who honestly looks at his situation can blame him. I hope he and the Saints can meet in the middle somewhere, and I honestly think that can happen soon. Lets just say if he were a Baseball player his argument wouldn\'t stand up, but things being the way they are in Football the man has VERY GOOD REASONS for doing and saying the things he\'s doing and saying. Cut him some slack...any one of us with his talent (and his current salary) would and certainly SHOULD do the same thing!

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Saintfan, you just hit a homerun!!! AMEN TO THAT POST!!!!

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GOOD POST SAINTSFAN. I DO HOPE THEY SIGN AARON SOON. HE DOES HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE A GREAT QB. I DON\'T BELIEVE HE DESERVES ALL THE BLAME FOR LAST YEARS DOWNFALL,IT\'S A TEAM SPORT AND EVERYONE CONCERNED NEEDS TO TAKE THEIR SHARE OF THE BLAME.THE ONLY THING I DO BELIEVE THAT\'S WRONG IS THE WAY HE\'S GOING ABOUT GETTING HIS RAISE. HE SAYS HE\'S THE TEAM LEADER AND IT\'S HIS TEAM, ALL I\'M SAYING IS, GET OUT THERE AND PLAY AND LET YOUR NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.BELIEVE ME I KNOW HOW BENSON WORKS, I WORKED IN THE CAR BUSINESS FOR 30 YEARS, ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS \"WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY?\" WELL IT\'S TIME TO GO OUT THERE AND SHOW MR. BENSON WHAT HE\'S WORTH, AND SHOW HIS TEAMMATES THAT HE IS THEIR LEADER. LET THE AGENT AND LOOMIS WORK OUT THE CONTRACT.

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5-4-3-2-1 Alright that was long enough . Cassady must have thought I died to even wait this long .

Alright A bomb , first things first . Begin at the beginning and end at the end , so here we go . China or U.S , lets get back to that one .

Ricky Williams being held back , interesting . Try this one , Ricky Williams is a power back that gains yards after he has worn a defense down . This is the reason he needs 30 carries to get a 100 yards . When a team is behind in a game and the clock is ticking , the last thing they are going to do is hand off consistently to a plow horse . Brooks inability to run the offense as designed with the quick reads and the check offs is the reason Williams was not effective in the last 4 games . Mc Carthy has been forced to redesign and redesign the offense to accomodate this .

As far as the defense giving up 35 - 45 points per game consider this , the quickest way to wear your defense out is to have your offense go 3 and out consistently . Once again the inability of Brooks to run the offense and the interceptions thrown equal a tired defense . Worn out defenses give up large point spreads .

Since you like To use Brian Griese as comparison , lets . In argueably a bad season for him .

2001 Quarterback Ratings

80.3 Fiedler
78.5 Griese
76.8 Batch
76.4 Van Pelt
76.4 Brooks

By these rankings both Fiedler and Griese are better quarterbacks and are deserving of larger contracts .

Lets summarize at this point .

Your saying Brooks should get a contract paying him in the top 10 dollar amounts at his position when he ranks no better than current # 2 quarterbacks , 2 quarterbacks that were starting for other franchises and were demoted or released because they were not good enough there :casstet: . That Benson should reach into his pocket and pay what Brooks is asking for and base this all on potential . May I remind you that Brooks has the potential to be the quarterback he was in the last 4 games also .

As promised China and U.S.

When I woke up this morning , I checked and sure enough we still live in a free country based upon a capitolistic system . Which allows us to purchase whatever at a fair market rate based upon its value . Which is what Benson is doing .
Brooks however has decided that he should be paid for what he has not proved and that Benson should do so because he says so or he will hold out . Even though he is still under contract , sounds a little like a dictatorship . Which I assume is a little more like a communist society than a democracy .

I leave you with this statistatical fact , Aaron Brooks current quarterback rating is 69.8 , but we still have potential :casstet: .

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Saint08, I\'m really proud of how much restraint you\'ve shown thus far, it\'s deserves an \"atta boy!\" Ha! Brooks is still the man though.

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So lets see Saintz08...you\'re blaming all the Saints woe\'s on Brooks? Is that what I\'m reading? Sure looks like it. I guess you won\'t be cheering when he performs well huh? I guess you think that one player makes a team right? I s\'pose you think it\'s \"OK\" and that Brooks should simply accept the fact that he\'s making less than the 2ND STRING QB on the team right? I even rekon you\'re all for handing it all over to Delhome too huh? I\'m fairly certain you didn\'t cheer for Brooks when he Quarterbacked the Saints to their first playoff win. I\'m sure you think he was just lucky to be on the field right? How can you NOT see the potential he has? Anyone who knows ANYthing about football knows a QB rating is relative to the personell on the TEAM! Up to now Brooks has had ONE quality reciever in Joe Horn. I dearly hope he starts lighting people up now that he has some weapons and someone who can catch the ball out of the backfield. I expect you\'ll enjoy the taste of crow too. For future reference, do you like your crow baked or fried?

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I\'m not going to get caught up in a \"Is Brooks worth the money\" argument again because I\'ve stated my case and only the season will prove me right or wrong. But if I were you Saintz08, I would stop using preseason numbers to base your arguments on. Everyone knows that preseason stats mean absolutely nothing as it is a time for experimentation and looking at the backups. Here\'s some other preseason QB ratings:

Brett Favre - 72.8
Donavan McNabb - 75.3
Peyton Manning - 49.8
Brian Griese - 62.9

Now are you telling me that you wouldn\'t want any of the above on your team?

Here\'s some more numbers:

Doug Pederson (Favre\'s backup) - 103.9
Danny Wuerffel - 117.4
Tim Hasselback (McNabb\'s backup) - 104.4
Brock Huard (Manning\'s backup) - 107.6
Kelly Holcomb (Couch\'s backup) - 122.5

Now are you telling me that you would want any of the above guys as your starter?

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I couldn\'t have said it better myself. In fact, I didn\'t! Great Post! :D

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I thought that closer might get you into this Cassady and I thank you for the help .

75.3 Mc Nabb
72.8 Favre
49.8 Manning

These numbers are correct as current preseason stats and from a quick look these would not appear to be great quarterbacks or leaders . It is about as easy to judge a quarterback on preseason stats as it is to judge him on potential .

Brooks is not a quarterback who has ever lead a team to a national championship , or broken the all time NCAA passing yardage totals or even put up the rating that the mentioned quarterbacks have .

94.1 Favre
84.3 Mc Nabb
84.1 Manning
95.5 Gannon
94.8 Garcia

But Brooks wants to be paid like one . What Brooks is , is a once low draft pick turned 3rd string pine rider , who was traded to the New Orleans Saints .Where he finally inherited the job due to an injury to the starting quarterback . He has been the starter for 1 1/2 seasons , where he won 1 playoff game that can be argued as much a win for him as it was for the defense and posted a 7-9 season the following year , with a quarterback rating of 76.4 .

When judging potential do you base it on the 1/2 season or the full season ?

Consider this :

For a quarterback to be paid as a top 10 player or even considered as one , he should be able to take an offense with as many number 1 picks , 1000 yd receivers and pro bowl players on it as they had and post a better rating than 76.4 .


[Edited on 24/8/2002 by saintz08]

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I was actually just checking to see how long it would take you to try to get the last word in.

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It\'s funny , but I hate writing 2 pages on a single post . So I bring up some points take a break and wait for the counters to come up later to post .

Although that is not half as funny as those that assume that a poster with a Saints name , posting on a Saints site would not cheer the quarterback on in a play off game .

What I am not interested in is seeing the Saints turn into the Jacksonville Jaguars with all the eggs in one basket on an unproven player .

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Hey abrooksbomb, more like he is a bomb unless he starts improving I wouldn\'t give him another cent till his contract ends and shows he diserves more money.Heck he should have asked for more money at the beginning of last season. He would have had more leverage.
Lets start counting on tonights miscues, missed two bombs (one underthrown,one overthrown)numberous miscues,missed a wide open td to the fullback before Deuses td before the half :casstet: . Throwing off his back foot waiting too long to move around out of the pocket. Heck I think Jake D. could move this offense. Thank god for the Duece and we don\'t have Ricky W. to run into blockers when the holes not there.

Oh Yea! One more thing,
Thank God for the defense. While Brooks was trying to find himself, the DEFENSE was stuffing the Bengals & Dillon on the goal line and holding them to 9 points. Otherwise they may have lost the game.

[Edited on 25/8/2002 by Saint2]

[Edited on 25/8/2002 by Saint2]

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Saint2 , consider this .

The west coast offense is harder for a quarterback to run , and I do not think Brooks is the type of quarterback to run it . He gets lost in the reads and check off\'s and needs a larger separation to hit a receiver . Brooks is talented and has a strong arm but he may lack the ability to run the west coast offense . Brooks would do much better in a power I formation offense . When Ricky was the featured star it was almost set up that way and Brooks did do a good job at the position , but as Mc Carthy started shifting the offense away from a power running attack , Brooks started to slip . Brooks relys on his arm strength to deliver the pass , he can hit the post route fairly well but the streaking receiver he has trouble with . Consider Garcia , no great arm strength but is fairly accurate and can run the offense . Delhomme might be the better quarterback to run the offense , once again fairly accurate and not great arm strength . Mc Carthy continues to add plays designed to have the quarterback mobile , if you think about it that makes the safety freeze and come up for run support . Brooks passes alot like a pitcher , pitches straight and to the plate . Touch passes give him trouble , which is the strong point of a west coast quarterback ...

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This all should get very interesting now . Tom Brady\'s contract extension is rumored to be in the 5 million per season range . So figuring 4 years at 5 million and you get 20 million and add signing bonus . There goes Brooks leverage to get him that 6 year 40+ million contract . That\'s gotta hurt .

I can see it now , Brooks saying it\'s unfair to compare me to him all Brady has done is win the Super Bowl .

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Contract for Brady is :

4 years 28 million
Signing bonus 10 million - 4 now and 6 optioned in 2003 .

So basically the signing bonus gets him up to 5 million this year on his current salary .

Great contract for a man that unseated Bledsoe and won the Super Bowl .

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Could it be he will perform if given more money....hmm...that would mean he wasn\'t playing at his full potential. Money won\'t change the guy, he can and will be a good quarterback as soon as the saints let him go. Then he will sign with someone in our division and we will rue the day we let this guy go. He makes some bad errors, although
he never played at G.B. he will continue to grow as a quarterback. My hope is that his personal maturity level is what grows. Stop whining Aaron, Saints give him a little more dough and hinge performance incentives on him making even more dough. No performance, cut losses......but he is much better than a Kordell Stewart who has been wasting a QB space in the NFL for many years now.

[Edited on 30/8/2002 by subguy]

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It\'s interesting you bring up Kordell , I have heard fellow fans compare Brooks to Randall Cunningham and the hype that followed him , also the lack of Super Bowl rings .
That type of quarterback and his running style , how many have won Super Bowls ?? You can argue Steve Young , some say he was , some say he inherited Joe Montana\'s team and a monkey could have run it . That type of mobile quarterback has always seemed to come up short in my mind , Tarkenton with the Vikings and Elway in his younger years .While the ever present pocket passers bring home the gold year in and year out .

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Potential. Interesting word. A word that\'s full of promise not delivered. That\'s Brooks.
Yadda, Yadda, Yadda......
I am so sick of hearing about Brooks\' potential. Potential he hasn\'t delivered on yet. Maybe he will, more than likely, he won\'t. As for him being a stud, make that a potential stud, please.

I think Brooks\' performance when Blake broke his leg was an anomaly. He ended that season in glorious fashion, but that was it. When given the starting job last year, he didn\'t deliver. He hasn\'t yet delivered this year and he probably won\'t. Based on what I\'ve seen so far this preseason, he\'s poorly prepared, doesn\'t know the offense and is only interested in Aaron Brooks, Superstar.

\"It\'s my competitive nature. When I throw the ball, I think I have to catch it, too.\" He went on to say too many players weren\'t doing their jobs, that\'s why he played so poorly last year and threw all those pics. A real sign of maturity, blaming others for your mistakes. I keep remembering watching the offense go 3 and out last year, and Brooks walking off laughing. Or walking off laughing after throwing an interception. Or just walking off after throwing another interception.

It\'s time to face reality, guys. Brooks is not the man. He has not been the man. He will not be the man. He is turning into the personification of the clubhouse lawyer. He is a negative influence on the team. He is not a leader. He is a spoiled child who only wants more toys ($$$$) to play with.

He needs to quit crying about Griese\'s contract, Fiedler\'s contract and Michael Vick\'s contract. He needs to quit crying about his contract. He needs to concentrate on playing the game and doing his job. If he does well, he\'ll be in a position to get the kind of contract he wants. If he does poorly, he\'ll get the contract he deserves. In either case, management should sit tight and see how he develops...If Brooks is lucky, his game will develop as quickly as his mouth has and he\'ll be a new millionaire. If not, oh well.

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I found it rather amusing to hear, Someone who believes Brooks is all he claims to be right now is suffering from post Billy Joe syndrome . It has been so long since they have seen anyone with any potential , that they believe any potential equals greatness .