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pakowitz 03-27-2003 12:53 AM

cnnsi.com mock draft III
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...20/mock_draft/

enjoy....

WhoDat 03-27-2003 08:16 AM

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I\'ll take that draft any day. Although, I still think something needs to get done about the D-line. The more I hear about Boss Bailey the more I like him. I saw him play once this year and was impressed, but wasn\'t as impressed as I was with Henderson. However, this off-season is leading me to believe that Bailey is the better pick. Let\'s hope that\'s the scouts talking and not his agent.

Let me ask you - if we do go after CB and LB in the draft, do you think we\'ll use our number 2 to draft a DT, or would it be better to go after someone like Chester McGlockton, who is still out there, after the draft when we should have more money than anyone else?

WhoDat 03-27-2003 09:35 AM

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What are the odds that Doss falls to us in the second round? I like that guy a lot. If what cnnsi is suggesting happens, that gives us Trufant, Bailey, and Doss... if he falls that low. That\'s freaking great. Go sign a DT and run with it. Still concerned about how such a young defense will perform (two or three rookies, Mitchell, Craver, Grant\'s in his second year, Ruff - first year with the team, Carter - 9th game with the team, Allen and Hodge have limited time as starters, Jackson\'s in his second year with the team...)

BlackandBlue 03-27-2003 12:03 PM

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I\'ve read where scouts say that there are about 8-10 players that will have an immeadiate impact on thier team, Trufant being one of those. I\'ve been saying this forever, there is NO way Trufant falls out of the top 10, NO WAY.
Bailey has the chance to be a freak, he\'s a linebacker with a 42\" vert... A 42\" VERT!!!! They say he\'s a better athlete than his brother, but the downside is he has been plagued with some injuries.

iceshack149 03-27-2003 04:54 PM

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That\'s a good looking first round. I hope that Baily makes it to our #18 pick. According to this mock draft, five DT\'s go before #18. If he is still available and we get him, wonderful.
Will there be any defensive coordinators available in this years draft?

BlackandBlue 03-27-2003 04:57 PM

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Quote:

Will there be any defensive coordinators available in this years draft?
heh hehehehehehehehehehehehhehehe

ssmitty 03-27-2003 05:57 PM

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the saints have already said it this year, and did it last year. they will go for the best player on the board, not for need. it\'s a shame they did not develope that attitude a long time ago........many loyal fans have gone to their graves waiting for the saints to win the super bowl, and i\'m in line......what\'s been fun the past few years in dallas is taking away cases of beers from neighbors who thunk the cowboys would do better......the more i think about it, the more i\'m convinced had the saints had a good conditioning coach, we may have gone further, but then again i was hoping they would have put in jake too.........and now, a walk down memory lane.......2nd and 13 the saints at the cardinals 33 yd line, billy kilmer takes the snap and looks deep down the middle of the field......he lets fly one of his infamous wobble balls as far as he can throw it and with a defender hanging to the left leg of wideout flea roberts for dear life, he still makes the catch, shakes him off and scores..................who among you still misses tulane stadium? smitty

BlackandBlue 03-27-2003 06:52 PM

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Another Saints fan stuck in Dallas? I thought I was the only one. Seriously, take a stroll through Ben\'s Half-Yard house on a Sunday and you KNOW there are a ton over here.
If you listen to the Ticket, Norm was talking earlier today about the teams he thought made the greatest strides in FA. He mentioned Carolina, Atlanta, and Buffalo. He even went so far as to say that Buffalo and Carolina would have 22 wins between them. Norm is a weird guy, but he is very rarely wrong, and I value you his opinion. That does not bode well for us.

ssmitty 03-28-2003 06:05 AM

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the road to the superbowl crossed the nfc south this year, and i see no reason other teams won\'t have to cross it this year.......i am north of dallas, in plano, but work in dallas everyday. where is bens? and are n.o. people there every sunday or just during the football season? althought i do listen to the ticket, norm is like listening to fingernails on the blackboard most of the time.......i use to go to the big easy(good muffs) but they stopped showing the saints games so i settled for humps for now......i\'ll catch up with you one sunday and buy the 1st round.........now, back to da saints.....in my opinion, the nfc south was the powerhouse last year and if the rams had been in it we might have had that extra win to advance to the playoffs.......carolina played some good ball last year and you just have to look out for vick this year.....bucks won the sb and us, well, wait til next yr, is still the saying right? in fact if you put that on a teeshirt in n.o.( i have\'nt seen that one), you could probably make a ton of money.......now, in whodats defense i will say this, other teams in the past, dallas and sf come to mind, have bought superbowls, flat out bought them......but, that\'s so much harder to do with the cap now......although it would put many smiles on fan\'s faces to sign the high dollar proven vets, how many can each team afford? purcells has proven the draft is the way to go in the past and i\'ll bet anyone he\'ll try to get more picks this year. who among you can honestly say this is not the best all around saints team since they started? this is why i\'m happy about the saints situation right now....... take care b&b smitty

BlackandBlue 03-28-2003 07:47 AM

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Heh, I\'m the exact opposite, I work in Plano and live in Dallas. Big Easy- love that gumbo and catfish platter...muff\'s are good too. Ben\'s is down on Greenville near Walnut Hill. It\'s packed every Saturday because he shows LSU games on the bigscreen, and every Sunday cause he shows the Saints on the big screen. Cool place, with good beer and better hamburgers.

WhoDat 03-28-2003 11:00 AM

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Smitty - thanks for the vote of confidence, sort of, but I think you misunderstand my plan. I\'m not suggesting that the Saints try to \"buy\" a SB. Not at all. Consider. It\'s January and Free Agency has not started. You have to sign Horn, and a tackle (turley or otherwise). However, with cuts and restructuring deals you have the potential to have close to $30 million dollars under the cap and 5 draft picks in the top three rounds.

I wanted to see this team sign three key players. An impact MLB, CB, and S. Use the draft to find a DT, TE, backup RB, and add depth anywhere on the defense. I think the Saints very easily could have signed three players of the Chris Claiborne, Tebucky Jones caliber and still had plenty of money under the cap for draft picks and the June cuts. We could have easily done this without getting ourselves into future cap trouble. Hell, our proposed Jones deal was for $3 mill a year. That\'s what Claiborne got. We could sign both of those guys right now by releasing Hand and still have about the exact same cap position as we do now! Three veteran impact players on defense make a huge difference. Adding a DT through the draft, and free agent MLB and S would toughen up our bery weak middle on defense. A shutdown corner helps the bleeding in the passing game and should help with the pass rush.

My way, the defense gets much better, and we don\'t screw ourselves with the cap. That means that we before a legitimate SB contender THIS year and stay that way for yeas to come. Instead, we\'re not likely to be a legitimate contender this year, but we may be in the future. Look, what I think is irrelevant. I just don\'t think people have understood what I meant. I\'m not in favor of taking our shot right now with total disregard to the future. I think with my plan there may have been some tough decisions to make two or three years down the line about which players to keep, but that\'s going to happen anyway when all of this young talent turns into good or great young EXPERIENCED talent. I can see what the Saints are doing... I just think they could have taken measures to be good right NOW without throwing away money or mortgaging the future. I mean, Haslett is already talking about being patient... about years to come. Does he believe that - I\'m sure he does. But it also sounds like an excuse for a failed season before the season has even begun.

WhoDat 03-28-2003 01:07 PM

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You certainly right about the common fan not knowing what goes on behind the scenes, if you will. I\'m sure there are things going on none of us know about. However, I seriously doubt that the Saints would have had real problems signing any plaer I mentioned in that post. I think we could have signed just about anyone this off-season.

The issue, to me, is like many of the people on this board have pointed out - the Haslett lead Saints have NEVER gone after a free agent with a big name. Not one. Some have been moderatley well known - Blake, Gandy, Pathon, Sloan, Jackson - but most are fairly obscure to the average football fan Hand, Horn, Ruff, Carter (maybe he was moderately well known... for the wrong reasons), our entire offensive line minus Fontenot, even Brooks was a nobody when he came here.

The contemporary Saints don\'t seem at all interested in \"big name\" free agents. In fact, they\'re so uninterested that I would say they\'re almost prejudice against them. For some reason, the Saints seem to believe that players who are well known or have proved their worth on the field are, for some crazy reason, not worth our time or money. I only say \'almost prejudice\' b/c their interest in Tebucky Jones shows that they aren\'t strictly against players with big names. Still, I wonder. Chris Claiborne, for example, hung around in free agency for a while. I didn\'t hear about a whole lot of teams being interested in him... then he ends up going to a division rival for $3 mill a year. Something could have been done there, I\'d bet on it. They liked Ruff - no name.

BlackandBlue 03-28-2003 01:45 PM

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To me, Jones has no more of a bigger name than Hand did when he signed with us. I\'ll never forget when we were entertaining him two years ago, I was screaming from my humble little abode, don\'t sign that fatass, sign the OTHER fatass. The \"other\" fatass being Sam Adams. ;)

WhoDat 03-28-2003 02:20 PM

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Sam Adams would have been nice. I think Grady has it in him to be a very good DT - he just needs to shed about 50 or 100 pounds... nothing big you know? ;)

I don\'t know if Norman Hand was as well known around the league as Sam Adams when we signed him, but...

I know what you mean Gator. I don\'t know if its voodoo or a sacrilege against the catholic church, but this team did something to piss somebody off. Maybe its the black and gold... oil went bust in America a long time ago.

BlackandBlue 03-28-2003 04:20 PM

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In that relationship, who is getting ****ed? :P

ssmitty 03-28-2003 06:01 PM

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ok, first things first......bb, when you order a muff at be, tell em to put double meat, double cheese and d olive dressing and the key to the good one i was talking about is to tell em to lightly bake it to where the cheese is just starting to melt.......uummmmm...2nd, i\'m assuming they show saints during fb season, right? i was just at desperados on greenville for lunch today, so not far away.....i know the area..now, on to wd and gator......1st, gator, where is the grammer king, on vacation? posted by wd at 12:00 the 28th......what is a bery? just hadda do it................now on to wd\'s why about why did\'nt we sign em? on this one i\'ll go with gator on behind the scenes with my reasoning being the saints, and not only the saints but probably the majority of teams shy away from trouble makers, **** stirrers(damn, did i spell that right?) and so on........ i think they\'re doing a little more investigating now then in the near past, case being connell, carter,(i hope he comes around) and a few others....as far as hasletts comments, he\'s still learning how to answer the press since he gets pissed very easily......let\'s see what trades and deals come about and say i told you so then, but until then, who really knows? ps, i do believe in second chances, god knows i\'ve needed em and got em........is\'nt it getting exciting getting closer to the draft? i can\'t wait............smitty

WhoDat 03-28-2003 06:09 PM

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Hey guys, I never said that the Saints didn\'t have a plan... but just b/c they have a plan doesn\'t make it a good one. If the history of this franchise has not taught you all that planning and practice does not always make perfect, I don\'t know what will. It just seems like another bad decision on a very very long lost of \'em.

BlackandBlue 04-01-2003 03:00 PM

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It\'s always good to hear someone else back up one of your statements.

Cowboys | Trufant at No. 5? - posted at KFFL (http://nfl.kffl.com)
12:05 PT: Jean-Jacques Taylor, of the Dallas Morning News, reports for The Sporting News that the Dallas Cowboys are focused on improving their depth at CB, but the team is concerned that Kansas State CB Terence Newman will not be available with the fifth pick. If so, look for Dallas to consider Washington State CB Marcus Trufant.


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