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i coulda, maybe even shoulda, and definitely woulda bet the saints said they would sign a safety last week.........are the patriots getting antsy about tb with a deadline? hhmmmm, smitty

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we will get TB, trade will go down on draft day, come on guys, dont u see it coming?

a lot of trades happen on draft day, ive said it before and ill say it again, we\'ll make the trade on draft day, when the pats are running out of time....

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Maybe, he didn\'t showup for their conditioning....not a happy camper

[Edited on 1/4/2003 by subguy]

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who out there in n.o. land knows when the t.p. newspaper starts to break down the draft and who is the sportswriter that does it? i know in dallas but not there.....thanks, smitty

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oh my god, i\'ve been gone over 11 yrs, besides christmas visits and don\'t know if wayne mack is still alive........how is buddy d. ? i know jim henderson is alright along with hokie, someone fill me in please........thanks, smitty

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What deadline? He is a Patriot till 2004. Of couse he did not show up for his conditioning, he is not under contract, if he hurst himself lifting or what ever he has no recourse. Very seldom do players work out with the team if there is no contract, a lot of teams dont even let players work out if they are not under contract. Yes, i think a traade will be made on draft day just not with the Saints unless they move..

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unless they move to where?

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I\'m not sure of the time line for the picayune\'s breakdown of players. I would assume Pete Finney would be the guy to do that. Most of the news in the picayune can be found at www.nola.com. There is probably a way to email Finney and ask when it will start.

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I think Flowers is just being used in all this, as in \"fine, you don\'t want what we have offered, we\'ll explore other opportunities, then.\"

EDIT: You know that Sammy is visiting the Steelers, right??

[Edited on 2/4/2003 by BlackandBlue]

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But is there really anyone else who will give NE a 2nd rounder for Jones? I don\'t think that there is... and I don\'t care what the Patriots say, they\'re not keeping $10 million dollars worth of safeties... especially when Jones will end up being a distraction who doesn\'t really want to be there. It\'s like if we had made Turley stay to play out the final year of his contract. It won\'t happen.

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I dunno - the Patties didn\'t have a spectacular year last year... he needs to rebound. $10 million worth of safeties might be a glaring misuse of funds if they don\'t do well this year... that combined with Bledsoe continuing to play as well as he did and Brady continuing to be inconsistent... I don\'t know. If I\'m Billy Boy, I dump Jones.

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The Patriots are going to eventually let TB go cuz they are high on re-signing Victor Green for less.

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ive also heard the same thing about victor green, the pats are high on him and his play from last season which makes TJ expendable.... i cant remember where I heard it, but i do know it was a few weeks back, might have been an article i read on the net, no telling with me b/c i read a whole bunch of articles on many web sites.....

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;) Gatorman, did I get you with my APRIL FOOL JOKE? Seriously, I read this somewhere before they signed Rodney Harrison. If I find it again I will post it for you

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Sorry Patman, you have humbled me.

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I think The Vikings, Arizona and Carolina would be interested in Jones. All have 3rd rds picks ahead of the saints, To get thier 2nd we might have to give one of our 5ths or GB\'s
4th.

As far as the pats keeping all 3 safeties what you have to be awre of is that the Pats run

what they call the big nickel. Instead of a OLB that plays the pass, they are 3 safeties on the field. BB thinks it helps disguise the coverage. Yes the Pats are still interested in Green and we have the right to match any offer he gets. So when or if Jones is traded BB can still run the big nickel.

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Come on Patman, I know you love your team but with the situation they\'re in with the cap do you think they would match an offer for Victor Green? All of this will be settle in the draft an New England will come to their senses, but will it be to late? Hmmm....I\'ll take my chances on TJ being release and just to tick off New England I\'ll offer Victor Green a contract to hurry this situation.

To make this possible I\'ll waive Jay Bellamy bring in Victor Green and draft a good free safety(Rasheen Mathis) in this draft. If we get lucky to pick up TJ when New England cut him, just slide mathis into corner.

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Yup, I think they deal TB on draft day to us for a 3rd and a swap of 1st rd spots.

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What situation are we in. As of right now we are 2.5 under the cap with 65 players signed. Compton at 1.75 mil and Vrabel who will be replaced by Colvin counts 1.65 M.
Milloy\'s contract is due for an option bonus to trigger the last three years of his contract next spring, if this option is taken his salary is above 5 mill. Jones only wants about 3 per year. Jones could be signed long term to team with Harrsion. Jones has no said one bad thing about the pats. He grew up and is building multi-milion dollar house 75 miles from the stadium. Go ahead an sign Green to a contract what does that do?

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sign green to a 2 year deal. draft a good safety and that solves our problem, dont have to give up a pick in the 3rd round and that would allow us to draft more depth at any position possibly picking up a steal in the draft i.e. RB dominick davis LSU

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In what round are you going to draft this safety? The 2nd. How much are you going to pay Green? I got a better idea sign lee flowers. The only player that was cut after geting the fracnchis designation was trotter. The Eagles are just cheap, If they had Trotter last year they would have had a better chance against the Bucs.

The latest rumor is the pats trading up to the Bears at #4. the trade being #14+50 plus Jones for #4 and #68.

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Patman, it sure sounds like you\'re worried about losing a safety... not green... Jones only in a ridiculous trade... safeties aren\'t worth a whole lot man.

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where did u hear that rumor? i havent heard anything like that

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It is just a rumor on the KFFL board. The Bears need a safety, for them to make that move though They must be loking at a 2nd rd qb, I dont see Boller getting past Balt.
Unless the Bengals dont go QB. At 14 they must be targeting McDougle or Haynes. which is another need. Although the parts fit I dont see it. Minn if Robertson and Kennedy are offf the board is the most likley spot, if he is used as trade bait to move up in the 1st as the Vikings need a strong saftery.

The pats will not let Jones go post June 1, you just dont let talented players go if at all possible. Milloy is one of my favoite players but the Pats wont pay him that amount of money. If Jones is let go, in 2004 Harrison who will be 31 may be the only one left.

T Jones is the only Free Safety out there, The other guys are just slow SS who will not improve your team. That said I think the Saints hold on to the 2nd rd pick till draft day as that is thier chip to move up in the first rd.Our secondary right now is a strength but
in two years it may be a weakness.

The saints I think are holding on to their 2nd rd pick to move up in the 1st. If they are unable to do so then the trade may happen.

[Edited on 9/4/2003 by patman]

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what would this package be to move up in the 1st round that u keep talking about? and to pick up who? we already have 2 firsts. who else are we targeting? and Y are u the only one who thinks this, and u arent even a saints fan.... Y is it no one else on this board has mentioned it before, and we have been saints fans for years?!?!

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Patman u keep on wishing, the deal is dead unless the New England Patriot come to their senses. If Chicago going to make the deal good for them. I like the talent TJ have but he have no cover skills to warrant a 2nd rd pick.

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The Saints value him highly enough to pay him 17.5 mill. That is the value I place on him. I am only a fan it does not matter what I think. The saints think he is good enough to make him one of the top five paid safeties in the game. BB thinks he is worth a 2nd rd pick, that is all anyone knows.

As far as the saints trading up, I read that they believe Newman can be an elite corner.
and that they are high on Robertson and Trufant also. I dont care if Jones plays for the saints next year or not. There is no dreaming on my part I did not offer him the money the saints did they are the team that wants him. BB has cleared the cap room to keep him and that we know.

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where u come up with these #s? 17.5 mill? maybe over 5 years, geez man. and B.B. didnt clear cap room to keep him, when they put the franchise tag on him, he AUTOMATICALLY took up the 3 mil in cap room

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Please, I am not trying to be beligerent. yes the 17.5 is over 5 years that makes him one of the top 5 safeties in the NFL. Well yes, the cap space was cleared to make room for the draft choices. I only mentioned that to refute the posters who predicted that the pats would cut him June 1 because they could not afford to keep him and sign the choices.

Pete Prisco now reports that the deal is now a 3rd this year and next (pats) or a 3rd this year and a 4th next (saints)

To say a player who you wish to make one of the top 5 paid at his position not worth a 2nd is wrong. Do the saints want to pay it? no. Should they try to get him as cheap as possible? yes. To say he does not have cover skills is just flat out wrong. He did not have thecover skills to succeed as CB, but he has superior skills for a 220 lb safety. He is bigger than some LB\'s.

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FYI- The Times-Picayune now says the proposed deal is a 3rd this year, a later pick this year and a mid rounder next is the Saints newest offer. My guess now the saints are offering #78, #190 and a 4th next year. With the Saints moving along BB will probally come of his demand for the #54 IMO. My guess now he asks for the Saint#3 next year instead of the 4th and call it a deal. The Pats get three picks but all later than the top half of the first day. The three picks in my mind do not equal the #2 in value but nobody ever gets all what they want.

I still say the saints will try to move up in the first. Targeting Trufant/ DT and then get Witten with the #18.