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GoldenTomb 10-16-2005 04:04 PM

I don't see anyone saying anything about AB but you.

GoldenTomb 10-16-2005 04:21 PM

What i don't understand is that the defensive woes have been well documented for 2 years now. Every week you act as if it's some big surprise that they suck. With no real improvements what made you think this year would be any different.

I will go you one better. I predict the defense will give up at least 300 yards of offense next week, and probably the week after.

And AB wasn't almost flawless. When you say that kind of stuff Peyton Manning is the measuring stick, and AB doesn't compare.

lumm0x 10-16-2005 04:30 PM

What relevance does David Carr have here? :brood:

GoldenTomb 10-16-2005 04:36 PM

What DOES David Carr have to do with anything?

CheramieIII 10-16-2005 04:46 PM

The whole team lost the game and just because it's not wholly AB's faults does not mean it was not partly his fault. The ref's may have made mistakes but the Saint's lost plain and simple.

CheramieIII 10-16-2005 04:52 PM

Have been here all along, don't think you noticed me until now. Wow, what a surprise, my wife did'nt think it took anyone long at all to notice me.

Euphoria 10-16-2005 05:45 PM

Special teams, and piss poor clock management lost this game for us.

lynwood 10-16-2005 05:54 PM

Special teams and turnovers did it to us again. Since AB was brought into this thread, why is it he can be 98% accurate one week and should be riding the pine the next? Why can't he play like this every game? Yeah our defense could have done better and they actually did in the end forcing a long Field goal try. The field goal was wide but penaltiy gave them another shot. Defense did well today other than craft, and offense did well today other than turnovers. Special teams blew. Smith is the back that Duece should have been but maybe it's too early to say that.

saintswhodi 10-16-2005 05:55 PM

This thread is funny. I am pissed about the stupid calls at the end, but we lost cause we gave 21 points to the Falcons they didn't have to earn. Our defense played GREAT. At halftime they had only allowed 3 points had gotten an INt, and had sacked Vick a couple of times. The Falcons got one TD off a fumble return, and one off a blocked FG. They got another TD after Brooks horrible ass pass behind Devery in the midst of three defenders. I was at the game. If we don't give away those points, we win, plain and simple. 13 points may be able to be pinned on the D. Yeah they suck. :roll:

kevinn1972 10-16-2005 06:31 PM

First, our defense didn't play horrible. They actually played a pretty damn decent game. I'm definitely with you on that whodi. Except for Craft. He was a real liability yet again today. I'm ready to see him gone. Second, Brooks' INT was a horrible decision and a horrible pass. He played good today but not great. He should have been picked at least two other times, but the Falcons dropped 'em. It is another example of how Brooks makes mistakes at critical times that kill us. Say what you want but that is a damn fact. Third, it was crappy clock management. They shouldn't have called that first time out yet. There was almost 1:30 left on the clock. They should have preserved the TO and let some more clock run down. And, fourth, the refs were definitely a factor in the turnout of this game. I don't like to use that as an excuse, but it's hard to argue with it. They made poor decisions on three scoring plays in this game and if they had gotten it right on any of them the result would have been different.

saintswhodi 10-16-2005 06:48 PM

Definitely agree with you on the clock management kevin. When they called that timeout with 1:30 left we were all like WTF? They should have let that clock run more. The Falcons defense couldn't stop our offense, the times they did the offense stopped themselves with the two turnovers. It should have at least gone into OT. But it didn't. We lost. We gave them 21 points. Not many games you are gonna win like that. I just wish we had played with the same effort in GB.

Euphoria 10-16-2005 08:31 PM

Defense sucks... how many mis tackles??????????

CHACHING 10-16-2005 08:35 PM

I dont think the defense caused the 2 turnovers for scores or the bad officiatin'......
you need a hug...

stockman311 10-16-2005 08:46 PM

Look the refs jobbed us. End of story. They took away Hakim's TD before halftime on a bs call that directly led to that penalty that wasn't called on the field goal we never should have had to attempt. The fumble by Smith was atrocious but he more than made up for it with his two TD's, and AB's INT in the fourth to Devery was a bad pass not a bad decision. He more than made up for it with his TD to Devery with 46 seconds left. The Defense did stop the Falcons. They held them to 250 yds and were in Vick's face all day long. The refs handed that game to Atlanta on a silver platter and if you asked Mora he would tell you the same.

saintswhodi 10-17-2005 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackonBlack
Tell me again how a defense plays great except in the last 38 seconds? If you can't stop someone when you need to what does that mean? 38 seconds is all there was left on the clock when the Falcons got the ball.

And forgive me, the Falcons got 21 points off turnovers? I thought we scored 31, so that means we won right, cause they didn't have any offensive scores, no long drives?

And here I thought you were just pretending to know nothing about football all this time. Silly me. The Falcons scored 13 legitimate points on us. Hmm, I would think if we held a team to 13 points, we would win almost every game, especially when we can do it to one of the best rushing teams in the league. We didn't. Why? Cause we gifted them 21 points. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Is it that important for you to attempt to discredit the defense you are willing to make yourself look totally insane? Apparently so. Our defense played a great game. Start to finish. Let me ask, and this will clear it up for everyone. if we don't give the Falcons 21 unearned points, hell, if we don't give them 7, do we win? Yes or no?

TheGambler 10-17-2005 10:00 AM

Overall, the defense played good today..............but what do you expect? Aaron Brooks played good! I said it last week: the defense is only as good as Aaron Brooks is. As soon as tipped interception occured...........WHAM. Dunn takes it in untouched, on the very next play. That would have been a GREAT time to hold them to a field goal. Fortunately, Brooks rebounds...takes them the distance of the field.......and unfortunately, leaves a little too much time left on the clock. I agree wtih BlackonBlack when he says that we should have held them off for 38 seconds (although it was tough, since the Falcons had all 3 timeouts left).

Anyway, all of that being said, it should have went into overtime anyway, because the holding call was BS. Actually, no it shoudln't have gone into OT....we should have had a 14 point lead on them by that point.

For those of you wondering why I so adamently predicted a Saints victory RIGHT AFTER THE SAINTS GOT BLOWN OUT (while the rest of you were throwing around crap like "fire haslett tomorrow" and "put McPhearson in now" and "we'll get the first pick in the draft")......you saw why yesterday, in their performance. I guess I failed to account for referee bias when I made my prediction. I just assumed it would be a fair game. Silly me.

jrmllb 10-17-2005 11:22 AM

It was a bad call on the FG that allowed them to move closer and take another shot...Our WR's and RB's kept us in the game...Devery had a career day but would have been better had he not had to perform like a gymnast to make catches or slide on his but to catch the low ones...I have said it before I will say it again the guy has magic in him...we needed Horn out there to draw coverage and Smith and Stecker would have had a ton more yards...AB had a good day for AB

TheGambler 10-17-2005 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jrmllb
It was a bad call on the FG that allowed them to move closer and take another shot...Our WR's and RB's kept us in the game...Devery had a career day but would have been better had he not had to perform like a gymnast to make catches or slide on his but to catch the low ones...I have said it before I will say it again the guy has magic in him...we needed Horn out there to draw coverage and Smith and Stecker would have had a ton more yards...AB had a good day for AB


This game is pretty encouraging..............I'm glad they didn't give up on Hakim during preseason.....and I'm glad Henderson is starting to show up.

Since the rams normally play crap defense, I look for an exciting game this upcoming sunday..

saintswhodi 10-17-2005 07:32 PM

Until you have an argument that doesn't include Jake Delhomme, don't even bother responding to me CK1. JAke must've taken your girlfriend or something. Seriously. Someone had to make a thread earlier requestiing Jake Delhomme not be brought into it, guess who that was for. Get a clue, and get an argument besides "Well Jake did this" and maybe you will be taken seriously. But you're a one trick pony, so what else you got? Jake did this and the defense sucks. Yes you didn't answer a simple yes or no question. So i'll try again, and we'll see if you can answer without your obsession for Jake coming into play again.

Let me ask, and this will clear it up for everyone. if we don't give the Falcons 21 unearned points, hell, if we don't give them 7, do we win? Yes or no?

saintswhodi 10-17-2005 08:13 PM

What the hell does other teams turning the ball over have to do with us? I asked you a question, and you ask me one in turn, and that somehow proves your point? The fact that you are running from a yes or no answer says it all. You don't even have to offer an explanation. It's yes or no, yet you are unable to do that. Sad. Guess who leads the league in turnovers? The Saints. So to answer your question, yes other teams do have to overcome turnovers, but they don't have to overcome the most in the league.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NF...1=9&_3:col_1=6

So for the third time, I will ask you the same yes or no question.

Let me ask, and this will clear it up for everyone. if we don't give the Falcons 21 unearned points, hell, if we don't give them 7, do we win? Yes or no?

But you won't answer it, cause you are a fraud. And you keep exposing yourself. Go away.

BlackandBlue 10-17-2005 08:37 PM

This would be a good time to walk away, and let the jury decide.

*hint hint*


*wink wink*

saintswhodi 10-17-2005 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackonBlack
Quote:

Let me ask, and this will clear it up for everyone. if we don't give the Falcons 21 unearned points, hell, if we don't give them 7, do we win? Yes or no?

Here is the answer to your question that you won't like. If we don't give them any unforced points we still lose because they would've scored more with their offense when given enough chances. So to me it's a moot point.

But yet again, I started this off with questions you ran from mine by trying to flip the switch with th 8th grade reverse phsyco babble. We lead the NFL currently in turnovers i've known that for 6 weeks, I haven't looked at stats but I'm pretty sure we maybe off about 2 or 3 from the next team and about 5 or 6 from being in the middle of the pack? In other words there aren't that many in between the average and the worse is there?

Were we the worst last year? the year before? the year before that? so why weren't we winning then? Ooh, and again how many teams turn the ball over on offense repeatedly during games and still win? And why is it, that our offense can't turn the ball over and this team still win? How many times have the other 31 teams offenses struggled without scoring TD'S, turning the ball over and only kicking FG'S and yet they still win the game? Last and final question, over the past 5 years how many times has the Saints offense struggled like a normal teams, and couldn't get into the endzone, and only kicked a FG or 2 and the team still won?

If you are not a coward answer.

This has to be the dumbest post I have ever seen. Seriously. Again, what do other team's turnovers have to do with ours? What does last year, or 5 years ago, have to do with this year? You know what I have noticed the last 5 years? Brooks has sucked. Deal with that. And only a truly insane person would say that we would still have lost had we not given them 21 points. Your ignorance knows no bounds. Name one team that has GIVEN an opponent 21 points on turnovers and still won. Doesn't happen. And if it has, it's an anomoly and not the norm. You know the difference right? It's stupid to say "Well the defense should just overcome the most turnovers in the league." Downright stupid. How about the offense should just not turn the damn ball over so much. Most in the freaking league? You don't have a clue about football, and I am done wasting my time on you. We beat the Panthers, one turnover. We beat the Bills, no turnovers. In our 4 losses, 18 turnovers. Who the hell would seriously think a team can win when the defense has to overcome 4.5 turnovers per loss? Clown.

jnormand 10-18-2005 12:07 AM

:popcorn:

leilung 10-18-2005 01:41 PM

Quote:

And forgive me, the Falcons got 21 points off turnovers? I thought we scored 31, so that means we won right, cause they didn't have any offensive scores, no long drives?
Finally, someone BEGINS to see the light. I just don't get the complaining about the QB or individual play. Two simple facts remain: 1) Football is a team sport and ONE cannot carry the MANY, and 2) If you cough the ball up to the other team and don't get turnovers in return, you WILL lose in the NFL.

Can someone tell me what our boys' giveaway/takeaway number is thus far this season?

saintswhodi 10-18-2005 01:57 PM

Hmm, the defense did get a takeaway. The defense also forced punts. The offense just gave it away more. Seems pretty simple. 14 points from offensive turnovers. 7 points from a special teams play. 21 points unearned. Minus that we win the game. If the offense doesn't turn it over at all, we win the game. How is it that hard to understand? When your offense turns the ball over THE MOST IN THE LEAGUE, there is no reason to even look at turnover margin. Hell, the team that has created the most turnovers is Cincy. If their offense turned it over as much as ours, they would only be PLUS TWO in giveaway/takeaway. EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE would be negative. EVERY ONE. there is n;t even an argument there any more. Offense stops turning over the damn ball, we win. Period.

lynwood 10-18-2005 02:06 PM

Whodi, the guy that started this thread is sleeping with AB. He will not listen to the facts or any logical argument. All he is good for is making the blood boil, which I almost think he does on purpose cause no one can be that ignorant. I've pretty much stopped responding to his blabber but do read it time to time for a laugh. Also beware you might be in a "click".

saintswhodi 10-18-2005 02:20 PM

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Whodi, the guy that started this thread is sleeping with AB.
I knew there was something.............. :wink:

BlackandBlue 10-18-2005 05:45 PM

And I would consider not responding to a thread, after I asked nicely.

You're all idiots, so move on to the next topic. I really, really, really don't want to be forced into something that I'd rather not do.

This is the FINAL ****ING WARNING!


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