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Euphoria 10-30-2005 07:54 PM

RE: Who has the worst OL, Houston are NO?
 
SA SA SA SAINTS...

Rsanders24 10-30-2005 08:10 PM

RE: Who has the worst OL, Houston are NO?
 
The sAINTS. Just like I said about two weeks ago! At least the Texans give their all. We have a bunch of fat a$$es collecting paychecks!! And for those who think that AB wants to run backward need to realize that there is no pocket for him to step up into.

saintswhodi 10-30-2005 08:54 PM

This is easy, Houston. By far. Teams that have allowed more sacks= Houston, Minny, New York, St Louis, San Fran, and Arizona. Josh McCown was getting it worse than Brooks by far today by the way. Simple rules to help your o-line. Throw the ball away if you are about to take a safety. Look before you throw to see if the corner is sitting on a slant route. Do not run 25 yards back when getting sacked. Try not to fumble the snap. Throw to where the receiver is, or where he is going, not where you want him to go. Stop taking 7 yards drops.

Also, our line has been banged up ALL YEAR. Mayberry was out early, Brown has been out lately, and LeCharles has been questionable but playing for 3 weeks now. And forget about LG. Noone can stay healthy there. Enough with the excuses. Our whole offense is terrible.

BoudinSandwich 10-30-2005 09:49 PM

Sorry, but I understand what you are trying to do here. The offensive line is no excuse. The line did NOT account for Brooks' interception and two fumbles. The offensive line blocked according to scheme for most of the afternoon. The problem is that Brooks dropped back too far and/or he (not seeing the blitz) slid right into the rush.

I was at the game, there were gaping holes for Brooks to run through all day. No excuses. I don't know if you have the 2005 edition of Madden, but I have it for XBox. If you happen to lose about 10 or more yards on a sack, John Madden's commentary will explain how it makes no sense to lose that many yards because of a sack. You're supposed to step up in the pocket. Never run backwards.

If there's no room to step up and no where to go with the ball, take the sack. Its a loss of two yards as opposed to 10+.

Granted, the offensive line is banged up, they're not the worst in any phase of the ball game. Gus Frerotte (sp?) made the "pro bowl" Brooks look like an amateur. Gus Frerotte.

Euphoria 10-30-2005 09:59 PM

OH NO HE DIDN"T... Madden!!! THE LINE SUCKS. Henderson wasn't suppose to get behind the corner back on that route... WR's fault. HE is supose to get in front of the Defender and move toward the QB on that route. Stallworth and Horn run the same route and they make sure they are in front of the CD. Brooks may not have had a great game but our O-line was HORRIBLE. Blocking accordingly... how many yards they get rushing... that isn't accordingly.

BoudinSandwich 10-30-2005 10:16 PM

Why did Brooks throw it to Henderson? If the other receivers ran their routes effectively and Henderson did not, why throw the ball to him?

Buddy, I agree with you on many occaisions, but you were in San Diego and I was in Tiger Stadium. I remember seeing receivers open down the field and Brooks never seeing them. I distinctly remember Brooks completely missing receivers either too high or too low.

I remember one play in the first quarter that we had a receiver (I believe it was Stallworth) who was running along the left sideline wide open. He was being watched for the first 5 yards and then the defender ran up towards Brooks. The Saints receiver was wide open streaking down the sideline for a huge bomb. Only a safety would have been able to make the tackle, and he wasn't even close. Brooks passed it to someone who I think may have been in double coverage. The play resulted in a first down, but it was one of many key opportunties that Brooks just flat-out missed.

Brooks seems to only throw the deep ball when a receiver is blanketed in coverage. Watching the game on television, I gave Brooks the benefit of the doubt. Being at the game this time, however, showed me what REALLY happen.

Euphoria 10-30-2005 11:27 PM

when you are running for you life kind of hard to set and throw. The pass to Henderson was a timing route, you throw the ball and the WR has to get there. Why ya think Brooks was pissed...

saintswhodi 10-31-2005 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria
when you are running for you life kind of hard to set and throw. The pass to Henderson was a timing route, you throw the ball and the WR has to get there. Why ya think Brooks was pissed...

Brooks was pissed cause he knew he was gonna get booed, again. Point blank, the CB sat on the route WAY before Devery even made his break. He was waiting for a slant. Being a smart receiver, Devery decided he would be open if he broke the route back to the sideline, AS THE CORNER WAS SITTING ON THE SLANT. Brooks never looked and just threw the ball. I agree with Oldies, until you see this clown play in person, you have no idea how bad he is, how many open receivers he misses, how many times he backs or does that stupid spin into a rush instead of away from it, how many times he throws the ball away in places that gets it to be nearly intercepted. It's horrendous.

BoudinSandwich 10-31-2005 11:04 AM

As far as "running for his life" goes, all he has to do is step up in the pocket or away from the blitz. I seen gaping holes up the middle or to the opposing side of the rush all game long. Brooks never utilized them, though. He just back peddled.

McPherson would have had a field day. He might have thrown an interception or two (if he would have passed the ball at all), but he would have ran all over the Dolphins. Atleast until they would have made an adjustment.

I know the interception was intended to be a timing route, but you can't throw the ball if the receiver isn't open. Maybe Henderson messed up his own route, but Brooks should still be able to acknowledge that the option was not there and move on to another receiver.

I've seen it with my own eyes. Aaron Brooks has no clue when it comes to finding the open receiver. When you watch on television you'll notice that he's always throwing in to double and triple coverage. Logically, that would tell you that one receiver must be wide open...and they are.

Euphoria 10-31-2005 04:10 PM

He didn't break to the sidelines he sat behind the CB and DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! THis is a rookie who needs to read and made decisions to help his team. On certain plays year you can alter the route but on a timeing quick hook you can't let the defender get between you and the ball. It wasn't a slant if it was then he could have hit him later in the route.

BoudinSandwich 10-31-2005 06:20 PM

The point is, if the receiver did absolutely nothing, the ball should have never been thrown in his direction. Shouldn't that tell you that Brooks, obviously, had no clue what Henderson was doing.

On a timing route, you throw the ball to where the receiver is supposed to be. Where did Brooks throw the ball? He threw it in the direction where the receiver was stagnant, straight to the receiver not the route. The CB was in front of Henderson for the entire play. This tells you one of two things.
1)Either Brooks threw the ball without looking to that side of the field at all, or he never (for some reason) seen the cornerback there.
2)Brooks was intending to throw the ball over the corner's head. This would mean that it was a badly underthrown ball.

The corner never had to break on the ball, it was thrown straight at him.

BoudinSandwich 10-31-2005 06:41 PM

I seriously doubt that Aaron Brooks would start for any other football team. I'm quite sure that not even the Houston Texans want him.

Thats all I have to say about the remainder of this subject.

BoudinSandwich 10-31-2005 06:56 PM

It's opinion versus opinion. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

saintswhodi 11-01-2005 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria
He didn't break to the sidelines he sat behind the CB and DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! THis is a rookie who needs to read and made decisions to help his team. On certain plays year you can alter the route but on a timeing quick hook you can't let the defender get between you and the ball. It wasn't a slant if it was then he could have hit him later in the route.

you couldn't seriously have watched that play at all. First, Devery is not a rookie, this is his second year. Second, the CB ate that route up. Devery could have run through him I guess, but what the hell is wrong with asking your QB to LOOK before he throws a ball? Is that not a problem? I TIVO'd the game. Before Devery even made an inside move, the corner was already there. If Brooks had LOOKED, he would nto have thrown the ball. Just another stupid play.

saintswhodi 11-01-2005 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by OldiesDJ
It's opinion versus opinion. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Actually, it's opinion verses utter BS, so you win. 8)

It's not Brooks' fault he has one of the worst passer rating samong active starters in the league. And the worst among non-rookies, outside of Harrington who has been benched now. It's not his fault that he has committed the same stupid mistakes for 5 years now. It's never his fault. Always someone else's. Brooks sucks. He has been getting worse and worse since the all out assault on the fumble record in 2003. Brooks couldn't start for John Curtis.

yasoon 11-01-2005 10:03 AM

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I'll bet you a beer he ends up in Tampa, I know Johnny boy would drool like a wolf at sheep if he could get him.
Man, that would be awesome. Did you watch the Tampa game at the end of last year? He looks like a freaking clown until the last 4 minutes. Jon boy probably never noticed that Simeon gets 3 sacks every time he plays the Saitns cuz all he has to do is run to a spot 10 yards behind the line and Brooks will be there ripe for the sack fumble combo. I think they sacked brooks 8 times in that game. What was he doing? Running around backwards. Gimme a break dude. That's just ridiculous and totally false. There isn't a coach in the league salivating over Brooks that isn't a DC. Sure, you could show only the good plays and make an impressive mix tape. But, AB is going to make a big mistake every week....count on it.

Euphoria 11-01-2005 10:51 AM

Key words were INSIDE MOVE... he didn't go to the INSIDE

saintswhodi 11-01-2005 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria
Key words were INSIDE MOVE... he didn't go to the INSIDE

THE...CB...WAS...ALREADY...THERE.........

Let me give an everyday explanation. Say you are at the grocery store looking for a parking spot. You spot a close one and race towards it. Another car is racing towards it as well, and they get halfway in the spot before you get there. Do you A) ram them even though they are already there, or B) go to the empty spot that just opened up right across the aisle? As I said, Devery could have attempted to run over the corner, but he saw the route was jumped and attempted to break to the open area, which was the outside. Brooks threw WITHOUT LOOKING. I see that's not a problem for you with a QB. Good luck with that.

lynwood 11-01-2005 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackonBlack
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I seriously doubt that Aaron Brooks would start for any other football team. I'm quite sure that not even the Houston Texans want him.

Thats all I have to say about the remainder of this subject.

Hate to continue the subject, but you're dead wrong on that. AB is not the right fit for his current team. His lackluster approach at the game is not what this franchise can handle, because it mirrors everything around the up-down way he plays, Probowler 1 week and Bonehead the next Hall-of-Famer to Class Clown.

At the same time, when a good piece of meat is surrounded by trash it's gonna smell like everything else. There are abnout 15 teams that AB would start for. Tampa, Chicago, Houston, Dallas, Detroit, Arizona, Miami, Raiders just off the top of my head. And I have no doubt with a better team around would better play come from. He's just not right for the Saints, let it go it'll make you healthier.

Now you are talking from your ass. You firt make the point that everyone else makes about AB, then turn around and defend it. You are your own worst enemy. Why would anyteam want a Class Clown? Might as well start a rookie and get the same results or better? Put down the pipe and think about what you are saying before you say it.

lynwood 11-01-2005 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by saintswhodi
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Originally Posted by Euphoria
Key words were INSIDE MOVE... he didn't go to the INSIDE

THE...CB...WAS...ALREADY...THERE.........

Let me give an everyday explanation. Say you are at the grocery store looking for a parking spot. You spot a close one and race towards it. Another car is racing towards it as well, and they get halfway in the spot before you get there. Do you A) ram them even though they are already there, or B) go to the empty spot that just opened up right across the aisle? As I said, Devery could have attempted to run over the corner, but he saw the route was jumped and attempted to break to the open area, which was the outside. Brooks threw WITHOUT LOOKING. I see that's not a problem for you with a QB. Good luck with that.

Whodi you are gonna have to dumb it wayyyy down for these guys to get it. Might even need to send them a wristband.


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