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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by xan Hang on, Brooks didn't drop the pass in the end zone on the first drive, he didn't fumble on the second, and he didn't fumble in the red zone in the 3rd quarter. He did have ...

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Old 11-07-2005, 08:02 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by xan
Hang on, Brooks didn't drop the pass in the end zone on the first drive, he didn't fumble on the second, and he didn't fumble in the red zone in the 3rd quarter. He did have his fair share of rookie mistakes, but his supporting cast sucked just about as hard. I thought the Defense played well given how totally bad the offense is.
..you mean the pass Hilton couldn't bring down? You call that a drop? Hilton is 6'8", jumped up in the air and still the ball hit him on the fingertips... the ball was thrown too high and too hard...

..besides, Hilton is not a great TE playing on an average team nor a "top-5" QB, is he?
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Every Qb makes mistakes -- its a part of the game -- unfortunately Brooks' mistakes seem to come at the worst possible moment and time. Driving for a TD and momentum he fumbles -- same situation different quarter and he throws an INT. For every brilliant play he makes he makes an equally numbing mistake. For the right team and in the right situation Brooks could be a very good QB. Sad thing though is that we are not that team.
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Let's face it! Brooks does not have the fundamental football tools that it takes to be a NFL QB. He makes some outstanding plays and is fairly consistent between the 20's but after that, the wheels come off. The argument about Brooks has played itself out for the past 5 years and we are continually stuck with a season that is a disaster. Here's a thought, we'll go 6-2 for the last half of the season and people on this board will go wild with enthusiasm that Brooks "pulled it out," ans was the "savior of the 2005 season." BALONEY! The game that I watched yesterday featured a rookie QB that struggled most of the game. The defense played relatively well and we were hosed on one Pass Interference call on McKenzie for about 30 yds.

For you "statistics" fanatics and fantasy football geeks, here's one that has been overlooked in this thread, the Saints are 13th in defense in the NFL. In my book and with my poor math skills that puts the defense in the upper 50% of the NFL. So, why are we losing? The answer is simple, we do not have any tangible leadership on the field. The offense that is so vaunted by the media, with loads of "potential" still struggles. The QB position has been dumbed down and still it doesn't work. The Hilton pass is a good example, a receiver can't catch a ball that is 6" over his grasp when he jumos. The problem is that Hilton was flagged for a "drop," when the fact is that he couldn't have caught the ball with a net. So who takes the blame here? Not Brooks!! When you look at the balls thrown to receivers, a great percentage of the throws are either off target or down so low that you can only catch them on the first hop. Whose fault is that, the receiver or the thrower. Brooks gets a pass every time. Most of the balls that he throws are uncatchable, he throws a fast ball to a receiver 5 feet from him at 200 mph and then stares blankly when the ball is dropped.

I say again, Brooks is NOT an NFL caliber QB. Comparing the two QB's yesterday, a rookie far outplayed the veteran. Too bad that Hazlett has hooked his wagon to a faltering star.
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Old 11-07-2005, 10:46 AM   #24
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And I disagree with you on this one, our DB field is upper echeleon in the NFL. I'd even go and say top 10 when all are healthy and on the field. The problem is when you're weak up the middle it makes everything look bad, including the DB'S.
You've gotta be kidding me. The Saints' secondary has been notorious for years for giving up the "big play" at crucial times during the game the put opponents in the position to steal a win. Let's face it, when's the last time you had a pair of (and not just one) "shut down" corners who were feared by quarterbacks throughout the league?

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Old 11-07-2005, 02:33 PM   #25
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First of all, how can you say a rookie far out played a veteren when his numbers were worse than Brooks (That last int doesn't count). Our new offense is three times worse that our old one. Their is no check down routes on down (especially third down) when the defense is showing blitz. Then if some of out recievers caught the ball like Mushin did we would have won. If you listened to the game yesterday the announcer stated that the Saints lead the league in drops this year. Now lets talk defense! These guys can never get off the field when we need a stop either after a turnover or at the end of a game.
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Old 11-07-2005, 03:24 PM   #26
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First of all, how can you say a rookie far out played a veteren when his numbers were worse than Brooks (That last int doesn't count). Our new offense is three times worse that our old one. Their is no check down routes on down (especially third down) when the defense is showing blitz. Then if some of out recievers caught the ball like Mushin did we would have won. If you listened to the game yesterday the announcer stated that the Saints lead the league in drops this year. Now lets talk defense! These guys can never get off the field when we need a stop either after a turnover or at the end of a game.
..first, punctuation is your friend..

..second, how can you say the last INT doesn't count? It was an intercepted pass on the field, it counts..

..third, yes, let's talk defense... The defense got 3 turnovers... points off those turnovers scored by our illustrious offense, 0, nada, none... whatm you want the defense to score too??
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Other defenses score point so why can't ours do the same? The point is that Orton did not play better than Brooks, end of story. Yes, let's talk defense, they couldn't stop the run at the end once again. First play of the last drive of the game was a 27 yard run. I'm pretty sure that they knew that they were going to run the ball but everytime it's the same result at the end of the game they can't seem to get off the field.
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Old 11-07-2005, 05:41 PM   #28
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Other defenses score point so why can't ours do the same? The point is that Orton did not play better than Brooks, end of story. Yes, let's talk defense, they couldn't stop the run at the end once again. First play of the last drive of the game was a 27 yard run. I'm pretty sure that they knew that they were going to run the ball but everytime it's the same result at the end of the game they can't seem to get off the field.
.. I don't care about the Brooks/Orton comparison, other than Orton is a FREAKING ROOKIE WHO HAS ONLY STARTED 3 GAMES EVER IN THE NFL, yet the numbers weren't that different...

...so, let me get this straight: , the fact that a) the Saints defense created 3 turnovers and b) the fact that the offense didn't score a single point off those 3 turnovers mean nothing to you... so you are saying that the defense should be scoring points too...

... so what if the first play of the last drive was a 27 yard run... had the OFFENSE done what they are SUPPOSED to do, i.e., SCORE POINTS OFF TURNOVERS, they would've won.

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Just because someone shares a point, doesn't make it all that valid.

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Other defenses score point so why can't ours do the same?
This is probably one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Guess what? Had the offense not given the Bears 10 points off turnovers, we win. Had the offense been able to score on ONE of the three turnovers the D GAVE THEM, we win. Instead, they turn it right back over on two. Guess what else? Almost 55%-60% of the points the TEAM has given up has come off turnovers. Has that ever happened in the NFL? It is now. SO now it's not enough for the D to stop people. which three turnovers is, they also have to SCORE for an inept offense? This is unbelievably dumb, and shows a basic lack of understanding of football, and the willingness to defend Aaron Brooks no matter how foolish it makes you sound.

Second, you wanna know the difference in confidence the Bears have in a 4th round rookie over Aaron Brooks? Score tied 17-17, we are driving, 3rd and one. Three wide receiver set. Instead of trying to throw to get a first down, and unable to pound the ball with Smith out, we try a run with Stecker. Know why? Cause the coaches are scared Brooks will F up. Orton, almost the same situation going the other way. 3rd down. Did they run even though they were running well? Nope. 22 yard pass to Muhammed, first down, field goal range. That sums up all you need to know about the coach's faith in Aaron Brooks. To even defend him at this point is borderline insanity.
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