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Lets look at the facts -- big name busts --- penalty situation which shows no discipline -- lack of passion or heart --- face it

At some time or other everyone is going to have to come to the one simple fact -- our coaches cannot develop players or discipline. Look at our history = besides the obvious penalties situation lets jump right to the player development.

Brooks -- it may be that coaching is the real reason he sucks. I would be willing to give him another year shot under a different coaching staff.

Mayberry -- highly touted big name O lineman. Guess where he played last week -- bench

Sullivan -- nothing more needs be said.

Lately haslett looks to be as confused as Blanco --

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Why would you give AB another shot when no other coach or analyst covering the league would? How would coaching help him hold onto the ball? How would coaching help him not run backward into the waiting arms of a 25 yard sack? 6 years of the same mistakes? 2 qb coaches and 2 offensive coordinators? Inability to call a play in less than 36 seconds? Can't coach the uncoachable.

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Boy!! Aint't that the truth? But still XAN, it's the defense's fault. Recovering a ball on the 3 just isn't doing the right thing for our boy. His "stats are great" and he is a "top 5% QB" in this league. Remember, those of us who see Fumbles for what he is, are just racist and bashers. We don't really understand how great Fumbles REALLY IS!!!

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Coaching has a lot to do with the situation we are in. Disipline comes from the coaches, game planning - coaches, teaching techniques - coaches. Developing younger players - coaches. One QB isn't going to do much for us unless we shore up the dam. Coaching.

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Don't get me wrong, I've been calling for a coaching change for over 3 years now. However, during that time, I've wondered wether AB can actually think his way through a game. Given that the offense is simplified for him (a major coaching move) and he still can't perform, still making the mistakes that coaching cannot fix, he's got to be let go. Maybe he can hook up with an arena league team or the CFL, where ego stats are all they're about.

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Looking at Euphoria"s comments along with yours the combination of both posts really adds up to the truth. I sometimes wonder if Brooks didn't catch Hazlett, LoomBoom, and Benson conducting some sort of weird sexual thing together and they all are loathe to let Fumbles go for fear that he'd "tell all."l What I continue to see in the games and read on this board is that Brooks aka Fumbles the Clown is a player who is fundamentally unsound regarding the game he plays and is expected to direct and/or lead. I submit that Brooks has some sort of injury to his right arm and hand that makes him fumble. I'd be interested to see what his grip strength is in his right hand.

All this being said, his reputation as a starting QB is greatly tarnished here with this team. Bash him or not, Xan is right. The mistakes that Fumbles are making, coaching cannot correct. He is not the right fit for this team.

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I've got to agree with Euph on this one - the problem starts in the office, then trickles down to the players. We all pretty much agree that AB sucks, but I think he's just one problem in a plethora of problems.

So we need a coaching change. I agree with that. But a coaching change alone won't be enough, IMO. To really fix things, both the owner and the GM need to go. Benson sticks his nose into operations, fires people for making good decisions. And Mickey, well, he's been good with the cap, but he hasn't gotten staff in here that can coach or scout worth a damn.

So they need to go. Once they're replaced with quality, we could cascade it down to the coaching and scouting staff, then down to the players. That's when the real improvement will occur.

If Benson would just pass the reins to his grandaughter and get out of operations... hope? I dunno.

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No arguments here. I have long advocated getting rid of LOOMBOOM and getting a football minded GM here. I have continued to wonder about what would have happened to Haz, had Mueller stayed on. I believe that he'd have been gone after his 4th season along with Fumbles and other "cancers" in the locker room. Strangely enough, Venturi's system is apparently working on defense this year. We were 13th in the league going into the Chicago fiasco. But since the Defense didn't score any points and let the TOP 5% QB down and he had to "carry the team on his back," we'll hear some blast about the sorry condition that Venturi put the entire team in.

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Farve isn't carrying the Packers on his back...

Nor Brady...

Nor Culpepper

I don't believe that our Defense is any better than it has been... watching the games they give up to many big plays and thats the key to defense (DO NOT GIVE UP BIG PLAYS). Its been the Patriots motto.

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Absolutel;y true, but the "Stat Pack" on this board are always in favor of citing "Stats" so I can play the same game. Since we currently are at 13th in the league defensively, something must have happened to improve. Namely we now have some semblance of a pass rush and a few defensive backs that can tackl;e. I agree that we still are not there defensively, but we do look somewhat better. The offense that has been so "vaunted" with "a heckofalot" of "potential" sucks rocks. So my point is that we must look elsewhere other than the "sorry Defense."

I did not mean to say that AB would all of a sudden stop making all of the bonehead plays -- but with his arm it is possible that with a real coach -- who would not coddle him, that would make him study the game, and maybe even help him grow into a leader that he may be an acceptable QB while we built out the rest of the team.

4saints!!

Turk Schoernert (sp) is one of the toughest, hardnosed qb coaches in the league. Sheppard has dumbed down the playbook to kindergarten level, and still we have bonehead plays. If you want a comparison, look at Carson Palmer, or even David Carr. Young, inexpexperienced, etc., yet doing fairly well in the learning curve of the NFL. Vick, Leftwich, Rothleisberger, are three more that come to mind. If you look at these folks in comparison to Brooks, you see that Brooks has had 6 years as opposed to 2-3 by these others and he STILL doesn't come up to the same measure as they do. I watched Leftwich get killed Sunday and he came back and won the game. Batch didn't do badly, yet with Brooks we stumble and bumble along.

Believe me -- I am a Brooks basher by heart. But he has had 6 years under Haz -- I look at some excellent players who come to New orleans and never progress -- who slack off -- all because of our coaching IMO. I do not think Brooks has the intelligence to ever be a leader like either of the Mannings -- but he has the physical skills as good as any of the QBs in this league. And by the way -- they did not simplify the playbook -- they simplified how the plays were called. But back to my point -- if we get rid of Haz there is no reason to immediately get rid of Brooks (unless there is some good salary cap reasons) A new coach will bench AB if he doesn't produce -- that is my point

Well put!

I agree that we need new blood in the coaching staff, and we need to figure out who we could get in Free AGenacy to push Brooks. I'd like to see Harrington or Brees because they have some NFL experience under their belt and would only have to learn the playbook here, but would have knowledge of the game as play in the NFL.

One thing that I seriously question is who would you get as a coaching staff, if you don't rid yourself of the Front Office Cancer? Cause if LOOMBOOM stays, whoever is on the field is hosed.

When Brook took the reigns from Blake, Brooks became the next coming of Jesus... then he still had some toolage from the Packers and a bit going for him, poor coaching and he went down and down...

That's just sad. Brooks was 3-3 after he took over for Blake. As far as I know, Jesus was perfect. I am with RDOX, coaching can't explain away EVERYTHING about Brooks. If it's all coaching, how does Horn make the pro bowl 4 out fo 5 years? How does Deuce make a pro bowl? LeCharles? I agree thhat our coaches are VERY poor at developing players, but at some point, a player can take it upon himself to grow. Anyone think the coaches are forcing Peyton to go out before the game and throw with his receivers? Anyonethink the coaches forced McNabb to go to Arizona with TO when he first got there to work out together? Anyone think if Brooks told the coaches he wanted to look at still during the game they would say no? The coaches may not have developed AB, but he damn sure has not taken it upon himself to get better either. I NEVER hear of AB working with any of our receivers during the offseason. NEVER. I hear about some stupid ass leadership classes he may have taken though. It has been said numerous times there is a learning curve with young QBs, and generally at about age 28-30 they are who they are gonna be. Well, AB is almost 30, and he is damaged goods. No matter who is the coach, he needs to go. I don't wanna be half way through next year and be having the same discussions. Enough is enough.

Go look at Brian Griese from last year's Bucs. They were 5-11. In only 10 starts, he had 20 TDs to 12 INTs. Completed almost 70% of his passes. And had a 90 something passer rating.

Last year's Panthers. Lose everyone to injuury, Jake Delhomme throws 29 TDs. To only 14 INTs. 2 to one ratio.

Need more?

BonB!

What is the saddest part of all of the whole discussion is that the main culprit of this saga constantly gets a pass. I fault Loomis more than any of the other members of this organization. When Finks left, Mora fell apart until he quit in mid season. Why? Cause his GM wasn't worth a bucket of warm spit. This is proven out in Kansas City where Carl Peterson has Kuhariak by the shorts and Peterson and Vermeil make the big decisions. Loomis is in the driver's seat and I'd bet the car note that he's making most of the personnel decisions based on what he knows best, CAP ROOM. I'm for Loomis being the contract negotiator and cap man, because he's great at that. But he's not strong on football operations. Hazlett is running around looking stupid based on Loomis' personnel evaluations. Why did we get another defensive end in Will Smith when we BADLY need a shut down linebacker? This kind of stupidity makes the defense look bad before they hit the field, and Venturi shoulders the blame for trying to make chicken salad out of chicken feathers.
We badly need to clean house, front office, and coaching staff now. They are all contaminated with Loomboomitis.

So you just disproved your own point? Fine by me. :shock:

I am willing to bet if there was a poll as to who needed to leave, you would win by a landslide. I am sorry you hate to hear the truth about Aaron Brooks. Ya know, if you put me on ignore, you wouldn't have to read ANYTHING I said. Imagine that. Wanna try?

What he said. :goodidea: