Aaron Brooks 2 touchdowns away from breacking archies record

Euphoria · 11-12-2005, 08:03 PM

Yeah but Archie has two famous sons though... that isn't fair.

CruiserK · 11-12-2005, 08:05 PM

I saw Archie play plenty and I have been following the Saints for a long time. Aaron Brooks Garbage stats as you call them prove he is a better QB than Archie was, I love Archie as much as the next Saint but it is the plain truth. Who is Billy? Anyway guys lets agree to disagree you will not win this one, and I refuse to continue to make a point in the face of blind Brooks Bashers. You ask where was his better year last year? I reply where was Archie's better year any year?

Henry Childs, Wes Chandler, Chuck Muncie, Tony Galbreath, to name a few this was not a CFL cast back in the day this was top notch talent. Again agree to disagree.

And the truth hurts. (You don't know me, and I don't know you so you can't tell me what I saw in all my years as a Saint fan and I can't tell you what you saw and you can't discredit me by calling me Billy. Archie was talented but never lived up to his talent, remind you of any one Aaron Brooks, except Brooks still has a chance.

Cruiser K

saintswhodi · 11-12-2005, 09:14 PM

Nice rambling. Deuce is the best RB we have ever had, Joe Horn the best receiver, all due respect to Eric Martin. The offensive line we have had for the past 5 years, is the best we have ever had, with players like Roaf, Turley, Bentley, Gandy, a couple of years ago, Jamaal Brown, all due respect to Dombrowski and others. If you have watched football as long as you say you have, you would know the passing rules and QB protection rules are FAR different than what they were when Archie played. If all you are gonna talk about is Broooks' stats, and not his lack of heart, leadership, and mental capacity to play QB, there's no point listening to you any further.

Saint_LB · 11-13-2005, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by CruiserK

Anyway guys lets agree to disagree

Why don't we agree that until AB is the NFC MVP and has taken a snap in the pro-bowl that he can't even be mentioned in the same breath as Archie?

Euphoria · 11-13-2005, 10:47 AM

Well I say in my book... Brooks is one of the BEST QB's this organization has ever had... you can deny it all you want to but stats... wins... he has earned that. Doesn't matter what archie had or had not, doesn't matter style of play... Brooks is ONE OF THE BEST QB's THIS ORGANIZATION has ever had.

Manning may end up being the NFL's all-time greatest qb's the league has ever had... doesn't matter what other era's had or how the game was played... he is.

CheramieIII · 11-13-2005, 11:38 AM

But lets all agree that if Archie had the same team around him that AB has today, that we would not even be having this discussion.

CruiserK · 11-13-2005, 01:54 PM

Why don't we agree until Archie Manning wins a playoff game for the Saints that he doesn't deserve to mentioned in the same breath as Aaron. Oh excuse me that is unfair because Archie isn't playing any more. But equally unfair is the blind Brooks bashing.

As for his leadership abilities he led us to our one and only playoff win with his star RB and star receiver injured and unable to play, as for his heart I have seen him run for first downs against arguably one of the best defenses in the NFL Tampa Bay on numerous occassions, shake Urlacher out of his jock, and lead this team to come from behind victories on numerous occassions, And stop writing Aaron's obituary he has plenty of football left in him, Aaron surpasses Archie and there is still time for him to catch others he may not be the greatest but he is the best that we have had.

We are talking about Archie and Aaron, not his sons, Peyton is great but Archie was never a Peyton, and he never would have been one regardless of where he played. I am sick and tired of the Archie apologist. Do you guys not think that in 1976-1979 almost 30 years ago I was as equally disgusted with the Archie Apologist as you guys are of the Brooks supporters.

How can you dismiss stats, Stats are a mathematical method the league uses to measure a players and a teams sucess or failures and averages over the course of a game, season, career, etc. It is one of the methods that we have to compare a players accomplishments and for the record it is an important factor in determining if a player will make Canton. While Archie and Aaron both might not make Canton, as of now Brooks has bested Archie in almost every positive stat that one uses to measure a QB's sucess. And get this Aaron still has more football left in him. He will do more. The playoff win shoot holes in your theory because Aaron did more with less, and the Saints won against a prolific and offesensive terror that was the Rams. He did this with Willie Jackson, and other (Wilson) receivers, TE and RB's
who are no longer in the league and if they are they are they are deeply rooted on the bench or also rans.

So go ahead and dismiss all you want, but remember some of us were just as disappointed with Archie a little more than a quarter of a century ago as you are with Aaron now, and Aaron has the numbers to prove it, and plenty of football in him to do more.

lynwood · 11-13-2005, 03:24 PM

To be honest we won that playoff game becuse Hakim dropped the ball. If you can remember the rams were killing us on the comeback.

Stats are good if they are taken in context. Garbage stats are just that, Garbage. Playing catch up in the forth quarter doesn't equate into a great QB. AB will not make canton becuse even though he has alot of "good" stats he has too many bad stats. Everyone kows archie's problem was his o-line. AB's problem is himself.

Too bad they don't have a stat for playing like a moron.

CruiserK · 11-13-2005, 04:44 PM

His achievements are right there in black and white. The stats are not garbage they are stats, are Archie's stats garbage? No they are just stats. Aaron had to lead the team in order for the Rams to attempt a comeback and for Hakim to drop the ball they were attempting to comeback from a deficit that the Saints led by Aaron Brooks placed them in. You guys are impossible. Like I said to each his own. 4th quarter comebacks are enough for anyone a Win is a Win the last time I checked. As for Canton I never said that Brooks would make it. I implied that both he and Archie would never make it. Have fun tearing down the best QB to wear the Black and Gold and when he is gone then what? Some of you just live to bash Brooks, I hope you are equally as critical of his replacement when and or if they don't get it done to your liking. These post hold you all accountable.

Cruiser K

Euphoria · 11-13-2005, 04:56 PM

The last time I checked the records it shows the Saints won that play off came doesn't say they won 'because of' If the Rams played a good game then that one play shouldn't have mattered... I guess we technically won that game because a Saint recovered the fumble that that he dropped it.

11-12-2005, 08:05 PM	#12
CruiserK Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 11	I saw Archie play plenty and I have been following the Saints for a long time. Aaron Brooks Garbage stats as you call them prove he is a better QB than Archie was, I love Archie as much as the next Saint but it is the plain truth. Who is Billy? Anyway guys lets agree to disagree you will not win this one, and I refuse to continue to make a point in the face of blind Brooks Bashers. You ask where was his better year last year? I reply where was Archie's better year any year? Henry Childs, Wes Chandler, Chuck Muncie, Tony Galbreath, to name a few this was not a CFL cast back in the day this was top notch talent. Again agree to disagree. And the truth hurts. (You don't know me, and I don't know you so you can't tell me what I saw in all my years as a Saint fan and I can't tell you what you saw and you can't discredit me by calling me Billy. Archie was talented but never lived up to his talent, remind you of any one Aaron Brooks, except Brooks still has a chance. Cruiser K
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11-13-2005, 04:55 AM	#14
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Originally Posted by CruiserK Anyway guys lets agree to disagree Why don't we agree that until AB is the NFC MVP and has taken a snap in the pro-bowl that he can't even be mentioned in the same breath as Archie?
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894

11-13-2005, 01:54 PM	#17
CruiserK Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 11	Why don't we agree until Archie Manning wins a playoff game for the Saints that he doesn't deserve to mentioned in the same breath as Aaron. Oh excuse me that is unfair because Archie isn't playing any more. But equally unfair is the blind Brooks bashing. As for his leadership abilities he led us to our one and only playoff win with his star RB and star receiver injured and unable to play, as for his heart I have seen him run for first downs against arguably one of the best defenses in the NFL Tampa Bay on numerous occassions, shake Urlacher out of his jock, and lead this team to come from behind victories on numerous occassions, And stop writing Aaron's obituary he has plenty of football left in him, Aaron surpasses Archie and there is still time for him to catch others he may not be the greatest but he is the best that we have had. We are talking about Archie and Aaron, not his sons, Peyton is great but Archie was never a Peyton, and he never would have been one regardless of where he played. I am sick and tired of the Archie apologist. Do you guys not think that in 1976-1979 almost 30 years ago I was as equally disgusted with the Archie Apologist as you guys are of the Brooks supporters. How can you dismiss stats, Stats are a mathematical method the league uses to measure a players and a teams sucess or failures and averages over the course of a game, season, career, etc. It is one of the methods that we have to compare a players accomplishments and for the record it is an important factor in determining if a player will make Canton. While Archie and Aaron both might not make Canton, as of now Brooks has bested Archie in almost every positive stat that one uses to measure a QB's sucess. And get this Aaron still has more football left in him. He will do more. The playoff win shoot holes in your theory because Aaron did more with less, and the Saints won against a prolific and offesensive terror that was the Rams. He did this with Willie Jackson, and other (Wilson) receivers, TE and RB's who are no longer in the league and if they are they are they are deeply rooted on the bench or also rans. So go ahead and dismiss all you want, but remember some of us were just as disappointed with Archie a little more than a quarter of a century ago as you are with Aaron now, and Aaron has the numbers to prove it, and plenty of football in him to do more.
CruiserK Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 11

11-13-2005, 04:44 PM	#19
CruiserK Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 11	His achievements are right there in black and white. The stats are not garbage they are stats, are Archie's stats garbage? No they are just stats. Aaron had to lead the team in order for the Rams to attempt a comeback and for Hakim to drop the ball they were attempting to comeback from a deficit that the Saints led by Aaron Brooks placed them in. You guys are impossible. Like I said to each his own. 4th quarter comebacks are enough for anyone a Win is a Win the last time I checked. As for Canton I never said that Brooks would make it. I implied that both he and Archie would never make it. Have fun tearing down the best QB to wear the Black and Gold and when he is gone then what? Some of you just live to bash Brooks, I hope you are equally as critical of his replacement when and or if they don't get it done to your liking. These post hold you all accountable. Cruiser K
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11-12-2005, 08:03 PM	#11
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11-12-2005, 09:14 PM	#13
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Nice rambling. Deuce is the best RB we have ever had, Joe Horn the best receiver, all due respect to Eric Martin. The offensive line we have had for the past 5 years, is the best we have ever had, with players like Roaf, Turley, Bentley, Gandy, a couple of years ago, Jamaal Brown, all due respect to Dombrowski and others. If you have watched football as long as you say you have, you would know the passing rules and QB protection rules are FAR different than what they were when Archie played. If all you are gonna talk about is Broooks' stats, and not his lack of heart, leadership, and mental capacity to play QB, there's no point listening to you any further.

11-13-2005, 10:47 AM	#15
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Well I say in my book... Brooks is one of the BEST QB's this organization has ever had... you can deny it all you want to but stats... wins... he has earned that. Doesn't matter what archie had or had not, doesn't matter style of play... Brooks is ONE OF THE BEST QB's THIS ORGANIZATION has ever had. Manning may end up being the NFL's all-time greatest qb's the league has ever had... doesn't matter what other era's had or how the game was played... he is.

11-13-2005, 11:38 AM	#16
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,457 Blog Entries: 3	But lets all agree that if Archie had the same team around him that AB has today, that we would not even be having this discussion.

11-13-2005, 03:24 PM	#18
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	To be honest we won that playoff game becuse Hakim dropped the ball. If you can remember the rams were killing us on the comeback. Stats are good if they are taken in context. Garbage stats are just that, Garbage. Playing catch up in the forth quarter doesn't equate into a great QB. AB will not make canton becuse even though he has alot of "good" stats he has too many bad stats. Everyone kows archie's problem was his o-line. AB's problem is himself. Too bad they don't have a stat for playing like a moron.

11-13-2005, 04:56 PM	#20
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	The last time I checked the records it shows the Saints won that play off came doesn't say they won 'because of' If the Rams played a good game then that one play shouldn't have mattered... I guess we technically won that game because a Saint recovered the fumble that that he dropped it.