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TallySaint 11-11-2005 01:31 PM

Saints QB
 
For a moment, let's assume we're gonna develop a new QB - be it A-Mac or a draft pick. Let's also assume we'd trade AB to get some dollar room to work and need to sign a veteran to be our starter and provide stability in the mean time.


Who would you go after?


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saintz08 11-11-2005 01:38 PM

Philip Rivers

TheDeuce 11-11-2005 01:49 PM

Hands down it would be Matt Schaub

saintswhodi 11-11-2005 02:01 PM

Billy Volek, Brees or Rivers, Atlanta would never trade Schaub to us.

spkb25 11-11-2005 02:45 PM

i think rivers would be nice to get. who knows they would be looking for though

Euphoria 11-11-2005 02:47 PM

YA HAVE TO GO WITH Matt Schaub at this point I agree.

saintswhodi 11-11-2005 02:49 PM

So you think Atlanta would trade Schaub to a division rival? Okay.

papz 11-11-2005 02:51 PM

I would absolutely love to acquire Volek or Schaub. But, I don't think either one will be available. Volek is going to take over that team when McNair retires which I think will be in the near future. As for Schaub, there's pretty much no way in hell Atlanta would let him go to us. He's their insurance policy in case Vick gets injured. He'll be there for years getting top backup quarterback money like Volek.

One guy I think would be available who I really like is David Garrard. He deserves an opportunity to start some where. He mobile, has a good arm and makes solid decisions with the football. We definately should give him a look.

saintswhodi 11-11-2005 02:53 PM

We were saying that last year papz. About Garrard. Don't you wish we had gotten what we wanted then?

mjf150 11-11-2005 02:53 PM

While Rivers isn't a rookie anymore, he isn't exactly a veteran either. I would like the Chargers to develop Rivers, and then we could trade for/sign Drew Brees instead. I don't see it happening, but it's wishful thinking, anyway.

That being said, I think they could Shaun King for next to nothing. He has very strong ties to New Orleans, and I don't believe he really ever had a fair enough shot to prove himself on a good team. When he did have a good team (Tampa), he took them within a game of the Super Bowl in his rookie year. He would be a steal and a great fit for a year or two.

papz 11-11-2005 02:58 PM

Yup... but oh well. That's how the cookie crumbles for us sw.

On Shaun King... I'm sorry but I'll definately pass. He had plenty enough shots to prove he could be a starter in the NFL. He got plenty of starts in Tampa and he flat out tanked it. He even had an opportunity to win the Cards starters job but he failed to beat out Josh McCown and John Navarre. He could come here, but as a 2nd or 3rd string quarterback, but definately not a starter.

saintswhodi 11-11-2005 02:59 PM

Sorry mjf, but I would pass on King. Even though he went to Tulane, he was riding a very strong D when Tampa was in the NFC champ game, kinda like Baltimore did with Dilfer. I'd look at Rohan Davey over Shaun King at this point. I do like the point about Brees over Rivers though, and that would be my choice as well.

TallySaint 11-11-2005 03:14 PM

Hmm...

mjf150 may have been the only one, so far, to fully understand the question.



Thanks for your responses.




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BlackandBlue 11-11-2005 04:09 PM

Please, for the love of all that is holy, no on Rivers. Never understood the fascination, was never all that impressed with the guy, didn't get a good vibe.

I would rather try to work a deal with Chicago after the season is over with to obtain either Orton or Grossman. I know, Grossman has hardly played a down, but in my opinion, he scores out higher than Rivers.

TheDeuce 11-11-2005 04:46 PM

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Please, for the love of all that is holy, no on Rivers. Never understood the fascination, was never all that impressed with the guy, didn't get a good vibe.
Ditto for me BandB. I don't see why this guy is so sought after. Doesn't he have awful mechanics? Didn't he have problems with his franchise immediately (months long holdout) ? I don't know, he's never really played, and it seems like people are saying that we should trade all this stuff to get him...

TallySaint 11-11-2005 04:48 PM

Let's try this again.


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For a moment, let's assume we're gonna develop a new QB - be it A-Mac or a draft pick. Let's also assume we'd trade AB to get some dollar room to work and need to sign a veteran to be our starter and provide stability in the mean time.

I feel pretty confident that we'd need to keep Brooks or sign a seasoned veteran in the mean-time. Many of you have suggested QB's that are prime for development, not a veteran that can keep the ship upright while the new guy develops.


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BlackandBlue 11-11-2005 05:00 PM

Funky mechanics was one, but he did nothing in my eyes that warranted him going from a 2nd round, possibly early 1st at the end of the college season, to a top-5 pick, based off what he did during workouts and the combine.
Grossman has shown me that he can at least compete at this level, to the point, where he would even take full, not part, not a little bit, but FULL responsibility for a loss. Guys like that can play on my team anytime.
He's in the NFL- you think the Bears keep him around for ****s and giggles? Don't underestimate Lovie Smith, he is in the process of turning that franchise around. And if Brees has shown that he is not competant enough to carry the Chargers, maybe the whole Rivers argument is a moot point to begin with.
Good thing the Chargers DIDN'T take into account all the runningbacks that have come out of TCU over the past 50 years, when they decided to draft LT. ;)

Saint_LB 11-11-2005 05:31 PM

I'd draft Lienart to be my future franchise QB, and in the mean time I would try to get that guy from Carolina as our veteran...what's his name, DeHomey, or Delahouse, or something like that. I think his first name is Jack.

BlackandBlue 11-11-2005 05:34 PM

Injuries are definately a concern.

Chicago will have a QB problem this offseason. I'm not completely sold that Grossman would be reinstated as the starter, considering the 1st year performance of Orton. Grossman will see himself as a starter, and bargain for a trade to somewhere he can compete for the starting job. Given his injuries, he wouldn't need to be a long term solution, rather, a stop-gap for our next incumbant.

And do you think that if I had a 53 man roster to play with, I would only have one QB on it?

mjf150 11-14-2005 08:54 AM

I have a good suggestion and when you really think about it, it's not that far fetched: Brett Farve. There are four good reason why it could work. One, he has not played for only one team his entire career, remember Atlanta. Two, Green Bay is trying to usher in Aaron Rogers, while trying to usher out Farve. Three, he still says he wants to continue to play. And, four he would practically spend his final year or two playing at home, while he rebuilds his family's home and the Saints, for that matter. It really isn't out of the range of possibility.

xan 11-14-2005 10:40 AM

I'd hang on and see what JaMarcus Russell wants to do. At 6-6, 250, a super strong arm, good instincts and mobile, he's a serious stud. Watching him manage LSU's offense against the best defense in the country AT Alabama was every bit as impressive as watching Leinart roll over the patsies in the Pac-10.

I do like the Favre suggestion, too.

saintswhodi 11-14-2005 10:51 AM

I think with the porgression he has shown, JaMarcus will be a big time college player next year. Not that he isn't now, but to see the maturity he has shown from last season to this season is damn impressive. If he continues that into next year, he definitely would be worth looking at. But he will only be a junior, and kid stick around LSU. Besides the fact they have Perrilous on the bench, who will be pushing to play next year, if they red shirt him for this yea like they should. No prob if they just red shirt him next year though. Just doesn't solve our QB probs anytime soon.

mjf150 11-14-2005 12:11 PM

TallySaint, what's you take on my above post about the possibility of Farve in New Orleans?

4saintspirit 11-14-2005 12:14 PM

Interesting question -- seems like this thread has gone in a few different directions. Veterab support while we train a rookie -- I will try to hit all of the above.

First -- in order for that suggestion to be realistic we need to play Amac for the last 5 or 6 games. That way we will get an idea of what we are dealing with. With all of our other needs why draft a QB in the top 5 picks if Amac shows promise. However --- if we do draft a rookie I would rather Young from Texas.

Now for a verteran --- forget Brett Favre -- My guess is he retires a Packer -- and if for some reason he doesn't look for him to go to the Dolphins or Ravens. Solid teams who could use a QB. What does that leave us. Brees -- wouldn't fit in with our team -- Rivers -- never thought he was all that - and he technically is still a rookie. No one out there I am particularly impressed with as a short term prospect to help train the youngster.

So much as I hate to say it - we may need to just throw the rookie into the fire from the beginning. What's another losing year for us -- at least we may see some hope in the future.

papz 11-14-2005 06:01 PM

My take on Favre is he's going to retire a Packer. No way would a player like such move from one of the most respected and classy organization in sports entertainment and join the New Orleans Saints. There are too many questions surrounding this organization... why would Favre or any high profile free agent want to sign with us this off-season? We have no idea where we are going to play, who's coaching this team, nor know who will or won't be here. Instability... no who in their right might would want to go through all this. If I were Favre or a free agent, I wouldn't want to sell my services to a mediocre franchise that does not show that they want and are willing to do everything necessary into becoming a winning organization. For goodness sake, Haslett and Venturi are still here along with our inconsistent quarterback.

With all that said... I'm still a Saints fan. Sucks for me.

AllSaints 11-14-2005 07:03 PM

vinny testiverde :cheers: :patos:

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CheramieIII 11-14-2005 07:20 PM

I can tell you we would be a hell of alot better off with Vinny at QB. I say trade Brooks straight up for another QB like Brees, Brad Johnson, Plummer, Volek, or Harrington and yes I said Harrington. I think Harrington is going to be one of those QB's that will do alot better in another system.

Use Deuce as trade bait! We would have to get a QB and RB together in the trade and maybe a 1st rounder and or second rounder. Yes I said it, trade Deuce before he gets hurt again next year and we can't get anything for him. Are any of you willing to take that chance. Some of the greatest would be a pro bowl player have ended the careers early because they were injury prone and Deuce fits that mold.

Brooks and Deuce to Detroit for Harrington and Jones and their first and second round pick this year. We can pick up Bush, Leinhart or Brickashaw (OT) or STUD LB in the draft with the first pick and Defense the rest of the way with the exception of a second round QB is we can't get Leinhart.

I know it sounds a little crazy guys but think about it. The way the team is going now we are going to get a new coach anyway so another 2 or 3 years of rebuilding in front of us anyway. Why not make all the moves we need now instead of postoning the inevitable.

Tobias-Reiper 11-14-2005 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TallySaint
Let's try this again.


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For a moment, let's assume we're gonna develop a new QB - be it A-Mac or a draft pick. Let's also assume we'd trade AB to get some dollar room to work and need to sign a veteran to be our starter and provide stability in the mean time.

I feel pretty confident that we'd need to keep Brooks or sign a seasoned veteran in the mean-time. Many of you have suggested QB's that are prime for development, not a veteran that can keep the ship upright while the new guy develops.


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But Tally, there's no such a thing as a veteran who can come in and keep the ship upright while someone develops... it never works. Either you bring in a veteran to start and be the man, or you put someone untested out there...

Here's the thing, in today's NFL, no young QB really develops until he's playing, nor do you know what you have until that QB is playing.

Take Carson Palmer, for example. He rode the pine for a year, and what good did that do him? Yes he had one year to learn the system, but little did that help him his first year. It wasn't until he was out there taking the hits that he started his actual developing...

Or, take a look at Chad Pennington. 3 years learning, just to find out that he's the second coming of Chris Chandler once he was on the field..

Look at Kurt Warner.. first the Giants, then the Cards; stunk up NY, and is stinking up Arizona...

I cannot think of one situation where a veteran QB was brought in to "keep the ship upright while the young QB develops" that has worked... it's more like you bring a veteran who still can play for 3-4 years, which is pretty much today's window of opportunity, or you throw your rookie to the Lions to see what you really have. Of course, you always can gamble on a backup...


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