A New "Old" Head Coach

mjf150 · 12-14-2005, 08:58 AM

Who wouldn't mind seeing Jim Mora, the elder, make a return visit to the Saints sidelines?

dberce1 · 12-14-2005, 09:10 AM

I 100% would welcome him back. Always liked him.

saintswhodi · 12-14-2005, 09:17 AM

A) He's a quitter.

B) There is no way he would coach a team in the same division as his son.

mjf150 · 12-14-2005, 09:23 AM

Technically, he's not a quitter. He was strong-armed into leaving. I will say this, above all, what we need more that anything is a great GM. Without that this team will go nowhere.

saintswhodi · 12-14-2005, 09:37 AM

There's no technically for me, he quit. Walked out. Packed his bags and left the job. And rolled right into Indy. Speaks to his character for me, as far as head coaching goes. I did find something funny a sportswriter predicted about him though:

10. Saints hire Jim Mora Sr. after 1-4 start, and he leads the ''Aints" to their first Super Bowl

We can just imagine his reaction to this prediction, "Super Bowl? Super Bowl? We can't be thinking of the Super Bowl! We're trying to win one game." Of course, the Saints would ultimately lose Super Bowl IX to New England after a missed extra point by John Carney in the closing seconds.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3698702

And I did find something very intuitive he said in an interview:

Eisen: Is that the toughest thing for a coach to do, is to make a change at quarterback? It just always seems that there's never really a good time to do it, never a clean break to do it. The Raiders, the Giants -- two teams this offseason making a change. Is that the toughest thing for a coach to do?

Mora: Yeah, probably because everyone focuses on your quarterback. That's the most important position on your team. When you do make a change, people react, the media reacts and maybe overreacts, and that's what makes it a little bit tough. And the players on the team focus on the quarterback; he's the leader of the team. So there's a lot that goes on into making that change.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/7357655

Euphoria · 12-14-2005, 10:08 AM

He drafted Manning.

ScottyRo · 12-14-2005, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

A) He's a quitter.

Agreed. He quit. End of story. Strong armed -whatever. He should have made them fire him if that was the case. At this point I'd let him come back and make up for quitting on us though.

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

B) There is no way he would coach a team in the same division as his son.

Pure speculation and maybe not even accurate at that. You're saying that the elder Jim would pass up a chance at a HC job because his son was a HC in the same division and I just can't buy that. HC jobs are too rare - especially for someone who hasn't exactly been getting a lot of attention as far as HC vacancies go.

I can't say with certaintly that you're wrong, but without a quote from him on that, it's hard to believe.

saintswhodi · 12-14-2005, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

He drafted Manning.

We would have too if we had the number one pick. So would 31 other teams. That was what you call a "no-brainer."

saintswhodi · 12-14-2005, 10:17 AM

Pure speculation and maybe not even accurate at that. You're saying that the elder Jim would pass up a chance at a HC job because his son was a HC in the same division and I just can't buy that. HC jobs are too rare - especially for someone who hasn't exactly been getting a lot of attention as far as HC vacancies go.

I can't say with certaintly that you're wrong, but without a quote from him on that, it's hard to believe.

Isn't assuming he would even wanna come back and coach here specualtion as well, with no basis, no quotes, nothing? Imagine that, on a forum of opinions. I am also willing to wager there will be more than a few head coaching vacancies this offseason, and if Mora was a candidate, he would have many choices, making HC jobs not as rare as would be the norm. But we're all speculating on Mora, with ZERO info but our own inferences. I don't know how my speculation can be any less accurate than anyone else's.

mjf150 · 12-14-2005, 10:20 AM

Actually, at the time it was not a "no-brainer". It's hard to believe knowing what we know now, but just as many teams had Ryan Leaf listed at the top, as did Manning. And because we are the Saints and had that idiot of a GM at that time, I'm not so sure that we wouldn't have been one of those teams to take Leaf instead.

12-14-2005, 08:58 AM	#1
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 716	A New "Old" Head Coach Who wouldn't mind seeing Jim Mora, the elder, make a return visit to the Saints sidelines?
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12-14-2005, 09:23 AM	#4
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 716	Technically, he's not a quitter. He was strong-armed into leaving. I will say this, above all, what we need more that anything is a great GM. Without that this team will go nowhere.
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12-14-2005, 09:37 AM	#5
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	There's no technically for me, he quit. Walked out. Packed his bags and left the job. And rolled right into Indy. Speaks to his character for me, as far as head coaching goes. I did find something funny a sportswriter predicted about him though: 10. Saints hire Jim Mora Sr. after 1-4 start, and he leads the ''Aints" to their first Super Bowl We can just imagine his reaction to this prediction, "Super Bowl? Super Bowl? We can't be thinking of the Super Bowl! We're trying to win one game." Of course, the Saints would ultimately lose Super Bowl IX to New England after a missed extra point by John Carney in the closing seconds. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3698702 And I did find something very intuitive he said in an interview: Eisen: Is that the toughest thing for a coach to do, is to make a change at quarterback? It just always seems that there's never really a good time to do it, never a clean break to do it. The Raiders, the Giants -- two teams this offseason making a change. Is that the toughest thing for a coach to do? Mora: Yeah, probably because everyone focuses on your quarterback. That's the most important position on your team. When you do make a change, people react, the media reacts and maybe overreacts, and that's what makes it a little bit tough. And the players on the team focus on the quarterback; he's the leader of the team. So there's a lot that goes on into making that change. http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/7357655

12-14-2005, 10:09 AM	#7
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Originally Posted by saintswhodi A) He's a quitter. Agreed. He quit. End of story. Strong armed -whatever. He should have made them fire him if that was the case. At this point I'd let him come back and make up for quitting on us though. Originally Posted by saintswhodi B) There is no way he would coach a team in the same division as his son. Pure speculation and maybe not even accurate at that. You're saying that the elder Jim would pass up a chance at a HC job because his son was a HC in the same division and I just can't buy that. HC jobs are too rare - especially for someone who hasn't exactly been getting a lot of attention as far as HC vacancies go. I can't say with certaintly that you're wrong, but without a quote from him on that, it's hard to believe.

12-14-2005, 10:14 AM	#8
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by Euphoria He drafted Manning. We would have too if we had the number one pick. So would 31 other teams. That was what you call a "no-brainer."

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	A) He's a quitter. B) There is no way he would coach a team in the same division as his son.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	He drafted Manning.

12-14-2005, 10:17 AM	#9
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Pure speculation and maybe not even accurate at that. You're saying that the elder Jim would pass up a chance at a HC job because his son was a HC in the same division and I just can't buy that. HC jobs are too rare - especially for someone who hasn't exactly been getting a lot of attention as far as HC vacancies go. I can't say with certaintly that you're wrong, but without a quote from him on that, it's hard to believe. Isn't assuming he would even wanna come back and coach here specualtion as well, with no basis, no quotes, nothing? Imagine that, on a forum of opinions. I am also willing to wager there will be more than a few head coaching vacancies this offseason, and if Mora was a candidate, he would have many choices, making HC jobs not as rare as would be the norm. But we're all speculating on Mora, with ZERO info but our own inferences. I don't know how my speculation can be any less accurate than anyone else's.

12-14-2005, 10:20 AM	#10
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 716	Actually, at the time it was not a "no-brainer". It's hard to believe knowing what we know now, but just as many teams had Ryan Leaf listed at the top, as did Manning. And because we are the Saints and had that idiot of a GM at that time, I'm not so sure that we wouldn't have been one of those teams to take Leaf instead.
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